Click to play
There
was
lots
of
newspaper
articles
that
came
out
in
local
papers.
I
think
that’s
the
dominant
expression
of
how
residents
and
people
who
lived
in
that
area
felt.
Did
you
read
those
at
the
time?
Did
you
feel
they
were
sensationalised
because
…
from
your
account
it
didn’t
feel
like
residents
were
as
upset
as
some
of
those
newspaper
articles
felt?
…
I
don’t
particularly
remember
reading
them,
but
at
the
time
I
will
have
been…
I’m
sure
…
kind
of
party
to
gossip
and
to
…
what
people
were
saying…
kind
of
early
Nineties
as
well.
I
worked
for
myself
and
I
had
a
cafe
and
people
used
to
come
in
and
sort
of…
tell
us
details
about
what…
what
had
gone
on
over
the
weekend.
Oh
yeah
there
was
loads
of
cars
and
lots
of
noise
and
lights.
Everybody
had
their
head
…
lights.
on
and
you
could
see
it
driving
from
Rishton
…
which
kind
of
the
town
where
you
would
come
into
err..
Great
Harwood
because
that
had
more
of
the
networks…
the
road
networks.
And…
but
for
me,
I
don’t
remember
it
being
anything
that
was
disturbing…
or
people
were
really
anxious
about
it.
But
you
know,
I
think
you
have
a
different
take
on
it
when
you’re
younger.
anyway
perhaps
for
older
people,
you
know,
they
mighta
felt
really
fazed
by
it
and
very
unsettled.
But
certainly
I
don’t…
I
don’t
have
that
memory
of
it.
Full Transcript:
There
was
lots
of
newspaper
articles
that
came
out
in
local
papers.
I
think
that’s
the
dominant
expression
of
how
residents
and
people
who
lived
in
that
area
felt.
Did
you
read
those
at
the
time?
Did
you
feel
they
were
sensationalised
because
…
from
your
account
it
didn’t
feel
like
residents
were
as
upset
as
some
of
those
newspaper
articles
felt?
…
I
don’t
particularly
remember
reading
them,
but
at
the
time
I
will
have
been…
I’m
sure
…
kind
of
party
to
gossip
and
to
…
what
people
were
saying…
kind
of
early
Nineties
as
well.
I
worked
for
myself
and
I
had
a
cafe
and
people
used
to
come
in
and
sort
of…
tell
us
details
about
what…
what
had
gone
on
over
the
weekend.
Oh
yeah
there
was
loads
of
cars
and
lots
of
noise
and
lights.
Everybody
had
their
head
…
lights.
on
and
you
could
see
it
driving
from
Rishton
…
which
kind
of
the
town
where
you
would
come
into
err..
Great
Harwood
because
that
had
more
of
the
networks…
the
road
networks.
And…
but
for
me,
I
don’t
remember
it
being
anything
that
was
disturbing…
or
people
were
really
anxious
about
it.
But
you
know,
I
think
you
have
a
different
take
on
it
when
you’re
younger.
anyway
perhaps
for
older
people,
you
know,
they
mighta
felt
really
fazed
by
it
and
very
unsettled.
But
certainly
I
don’t…
I
don’t
have
that
memory
of
it.
Adele Getting Involved Part 2
Click to play
I
lived
in
Great
Harwood
which
I
understand
is…
is
a bit of
an
epicenter
really
for
the
scene.
And
I
remember
actually,
I
don’t
know
maybe
about
three
or
four
years
ago.
I
had
a
workman
who
err
came
to
do
something
on
my
house.
And
he
said
the
only
other
time
I’ve
been
to
Great
Harwood…
is
to
a rave
at
Monroe’s
…
you
know,
and
that
would
have
been
in
the
Nineties
so
It
was…
it
was
quite…
quite
funny
actually
to
hear
that
because
you
forget
that…
you
know
about
these
things
that
go
on
and
it
was
funny
that
his…
his
memory
of
where….
this
small
little
village
really
where
I
live
is…
you
know,
it
was
big
on
the…
kind
of
the
rave
scene.
Full Transcript:
I
lived
in
Great
Harwood
which
I
understand
is…
is
a bit of
an
epicenter
really
for
the
scene.
And
I
remember
actually,
I
don’t
know
maybe
about
three
or
four
years
ago.
I
had
a
workman
who
err
came
to
do
something
on
my
house.
And
he
said
the
only
other
time
I’ve
been
to
Great
Harwood…
is
to
a rave
at
Monroe’s
…
you
know,
and
that
would
have
been
in
the
Nineties
so
It
was…
it
was
quite…
quite
funny
actually
to
hear
that
because
you
forget
that…
you
know
about
these
things
that
go
on
and
it
was
funny
that
his…
his
memory
of
where….
this
small
little
village
really
where
I
live
is…
you
know,
it
was
big
on
the…
kind
of
the
rave
scene.
Adele Getting Involved Part 1
Click to play
What would
you
call
your
involvement
in
that
era,
at
that
time?
Okay,
so
I
lived
quite
close
to
a
club
which
was
called
Monroe’s
it
was
previously
a
football
social
club
and
then
over
overtime
kind
of
moved
from…
from
being
that
type
of
scene
so
it
was
kind
of
more
of
a
disco
night…
which
was…
it
was
open
Friday
Saturday
Sunday.
So
as
I
remember
…
and
kind
of
started
to
change
into
Monroe’s
…
so
it
became
a
bit
more, a
different
type
of
music
which
was
more
prevalent
at
the
time
and
then
over
more
time
became
a
place..
a venue
that
was
a
bit
more
about…
how
I
described
as
a
warehouse
…
it
was
dark
in
there,
you
know,
you
couldn’t
see
much.
So
yeah,
that
was
my
main
role.
Now.
I
lived
close
by
to
there…
not
too
close
where
you
could
hear
things
all
the
time.
So
you
couldn’t
…
particularly
hear
any
music
because
such
it was
quite
well
soundproofed
but
what
you
could
see
and
hear
at
various
times
usually
kind
of
later
on
that
night
and
then
early
morning…
was
convoys.
So
there
would
be
cars…
…
people
just
racking
up
in
a
big
trail.
I
understood
that
they used
to
get
a
call
or
they
get
called
…
or
something,
you
know
with
an
address
and
people
would
just
turn
up
and
for
me
it
was
quite
exciting
because
sometimes
I’d
just
be
wandering
home
from
a
night
out.
So,
you
know,
I
kind
of
walked
by
that
way
and
you
see
everybody
in
the
cars
hanging
out
the
windows
and
shouting
to
each
other.
From
the
neighborhood
point
of
view
as
I
said…
I
lived
with
my
parents
and
they
were
older
parents.
If
you
will.
They
had
me
quite
late
in
life.
It
didn’t
faze
them
at
all.
They
were
okay.
I
think
if
there
were
people
that
were
complaining
it
was
probably
not
that
they
were
being
disturbed…
as
such.
To
me
would
have
been
a
bit
more…
that
they
felt
maybe
a
little
bit
unsettled
and
a
bit
frightened
because
when
you
get
groups
of
people
coming
together
in
bulk,
you
know,
that
can
be
a
bit
intimidating,
but
perhaps
maybe
i’m
just
taking
it
from
my
point
of
view
and
I
wasn’t
intimidated
by
it.
If
anything,
I
think
my
set
of
friends…
and
we
were
kind
of
into
a
different…
different
type
of
music.
We
were
more
intrigued
by
it.
I
actually
went
once
in
the
early
stages…
went
down
at
the
end
of
my
night
out.
So
I’d
been
round
the
pubs
and
I
could
even
have
been
down
Blackburn
and
been
to
a
club
in
Blackburn
and
finished
up…
up…
down
at
Monroe’s
…
and
for
me,
it
was
a
real
letdown
because
the
music
wasn’t
my
type
of
music.
But
you
couldn’t
get
a
drink!
I remember
going
in…
and
going
up
and
trying
to
order
a
drink.
There’s
just
bottles
of
water
because
obviously
it
was
a
different
scene.
So
for
me,
that
wasn’t
good
and
I
don’t
think
I
went
again
to
that
particular
venue…
I
think
as
time
went
on
and
the
scene
kind
of
…
became
a
bit
more
developed
if
that’s
the
right
word?
And
more
hardcore
if
that’s
the
right
phrase
as
well?
And
then
finished
up
one
night
at
a
place
in
Nelson
and
I
have
no
idea
what
it
was
called.
But
again,
it
was
a
rave
in
Nelson
And
I
remember
going
there
again
more
out of
curiosity
…
than
…
anything
else.
And
you
could
actually
get
a
drink
there.
So
that
was
all
right.
…
Kind
of
placated
me
…
a
little
bit.
But
that
was…
that
was
quite
a
heavy
thing.
I
would
have
said.
Very…
very
dark
and
deep
as
it
were
for
me.
So
yeah,
that’s
that’s
my
recollection
of
things.
Full Transcript:
What would
you
call
your
involvement
in
that
era,
at
that
time?
Okay,
so
I
lived
quite
close
to
a
club
which
was
called
Monroe’s
it
was
previously
a
football
social
club
and
then
over
overtime
kind
of
moved
from…
from
being
that
type
of
scene
so
it
was
kind
of
more
of
a
disco
night…
which
was…
it
was
open
Friday
Saturday
Sunday.
So
as
I
remember
…
and
kind
of
started
to
change
into
Monroe’s
…
so
it
became
a
bit
more, a
different
type
of
music
which
was
more
prevalent
at
the
time
and
then
over
more
time
became
a
place..
a venue
that
was
a
bit
more
about…
how
I
described
as
a
warehouse
…
it
was
dark
in
there,
you
know,
you
couldn’t
see
much.
So
yeah,
that
was
my
main
role.
Now.
I
lived
close
by
to
there…
not
too
close
where
you
could
hear
things
all
the
time.
So
you
couldn’t
…
particularly
hear
any
music
because
such
it was
quite
well
soundproofed
but
what
you
could
see
and
hear
at
various
times
usually
kind
of
later
on
that
night
and
then
early
morning…
was
convoys.
So
there
would
be
cars…
…
people
just
racking
up
in
a
big
trail.
I
understood
that
they used
to
get
a
call
or
they
get
called
…
or
something,
you
know
with
an
address
and
people
would
just
turn
up
and
for
me
it
was
quite
exciting
because
sometimes
I’d
just
be
wandering
home
from
a
night
out.
So,
you
know,
I
kind
of
walked
by
that
way
and
you
see
everybody
in
the
cars
hanging
out
the
windows
and
shouting
to
each
other.
From
the
neighborhood
point
of
view
as
I
said…
I
lived
with
my
parents
and
they
were
older
parents.
If
you
will.
They
had
me
quite
late
in
life.
It
didn’t
faze
them
at
all.
They
were
okay.
I
think
if
there
were
people
that
were
complaining
it
was
probably
not
that
they
were
being
disturbed…
as
such.
To
me
would
have
been
a
bit
more…
that
they
felt
maybe
a
little
bit
unsettled
and
a
bit
frightened
because
when
you
get
groups
of
people
coming
together
in
bulk,
you
know,
that
can
be
a
bit
intimidating,
but
perhaps
maybe
i’m
just
taking
it
from
my
point
of
view
and
I
wasn’t
intimidated
by
it.
If
anything,
I
think
my
set
of
friends…
and
we
were
kind
of
into
a
different…
different
type
of
music.
We
were
more
intrigued
by
it.
I
actually
went
once
in
the
early
stages…
went
down
at
the
end
of
my
night
out.
So
I’d
been
round
the
pubs
and
I
could
even
have
been
down
Blackburn
and
been
to
a
club
in
Blackburn
and
finished
up…
up…
down
at
Monroe’s
…
and
for
me,
it
was
a
real
letdown
because
the
music
wasn’t
my
type
of
music.
But
you
couldn’t
get
a
drink!
I remember
going
in…
and
going
up
and
trying
to
order
a
drink.
There’s
just
bottles
of
water
because
obviously
it
was
a
different
scene.
So
for
me,
that
wasn’t
good
and
I
don’t
think
I
went
again
to
that
particular
venue…
I
think
as
time
went
on
and
the
scene
kind
of
…
became
a
bit
more
developed
if
that’s
the
right
word?
And
more
hardcore
if
that’s
the
right
phrase
as
well?
And
then
finished
up
one
night
at
a
place
in
Nelson
and
I
have
no
idea
what
it
was
called.
But
again,
it
was
a
rave
in
Nelson
And
I
remember
going
there
again
more
out of
curiosity
…
than
…
anything
else.
And
you
could
actually
get
a
drink
there.
So
that
was
all
right.
…
Kind
of
placated
me
…
a
little
bit.
But
that
was…
that
was
quite
a
heavy
thing.
I
would
have
said.
Very…
very
dark
and
deep
as
it
were
for
me.
So
yeah,
that’s
that’s
my
recollection
of
things.
Stuart Full Interview
Click to play
How
were
you
involved
in
the
Acid
House
era
around
Blackburn.
I
got
asked
to
do
some
photography
to
show
the
general
situation
when
we
first
started…
from
what
I
understood
the
police
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
dealing
with
and
they
were
having
to
put
in
vast
amounts
of
manpower
and
there
were
a
lot
of
I
think
a
lot
of
senior
officers
questioning
what
was
going
on
and
we
were
asked
if
we
could
turn
up…
we
helped
them
out
on
a
football
job
about
2
months
earlier
where
the
police
have
been
accused
of
sort
of
not
doing
a
good
enough
job
and
our
photographs
…
bailed
them
out
and
they
were
sort
of
very
keen
to
use us
in
public
order
settings…
partly
after
the
Hillsborough
disaster.
I
think
they
believed
that
they
would
be
exonerated.
If
all
this
was
shown
which
when
you
look
at
what’s
actually
happened
at
the
Hillsborough
disaster
has
proved
not
to
be
the
case.
So
we
were
asked
to
go
along
and
the
first
sort
of
initial
briefing
was
to
get
a
general
overview
of
what
was
happening
so
we
could
show
that
they
wanted…
to
show
the
like…
sort
of
spots
of
people
sitting
on
junctions…
the
convoys
the
sheer
number
of
people
that
were
turning
up
to
it.
So
it
was
just
a
general
thing
which
was
quite
a
nice
project
because
I
was
sort
of
interested
in
photography
from
a
more
artistic
perspective.
I
ended
up
working
for
the
police.
Somebody
who had
been
unemployed
for
3
years
when
I
left
school,
and
they
just
needed
a
printer
and
I
went
from
starting…
doing
that
moved
up
moved
up
and
gradually
with
this
type
of
work.
They
figured
it
was
easier
to
teach
someone
like
me
how
to
get
out
and
do
the
photography
than
it
was
to
teach
policemen
how
to
work
a
camera.
So…
so
that
was
how
it…
sort
of
started
and
like
I
said
to
begin
with
it
was
quite
good
because
you
were
sort
of
looking
at
the
bigger
picture
rather
than
just
trying
to
identify
people
or
get
them
arrested.
So
it
was
pretty
enjoyable
to
begin
with.
so
could
you
talk
me
through
what
an
evening
doing
this
job
would
be
like
and
how
it
would
start…
how
you
found
out
about
it…
and
what
the
process
would
be?
Sure.
So
we’d
usually
meet
up
police
headquarters
or
maybe
a
divisional
headquarters…
get
all
the
equipment
we
needed
I
used
to
sort
of
…
…
usually
check
it
all
the
day
before
because
there’s
nothing
worse
than
turning
up
and
something
breaking
…
fairly
early
on.
So
you
get
all
that…
you
used
to have to
pack
NATO
Gear.
So
like
your
riot
helmet
your
flameproof
overalls…
all
this
in
case
it
really
kicked
off…
was
the
idea
and
then
you
would
go
to
the
briefing
wherever
it
was
and
these
really
varied.
I
sort
of
found
some
some
of
the
commanders
were
really
good
and
really
on
the
ball
and
some
really
boring
and
really
I
don’t
know
some of them
seemed to
have
a
very
good
way
of
explaining
it
to
everybody
and
making
sure
everyone
knew
what
they
were
doing
and
others
were
so
vague.
It’s
a
little
bit
like
the
government
at
the
moment.
It
allowed
people
to
make
mistakes
because
they
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
doing.
So
we’d
start
that
we’d
have
the
briefing
and
then
it
would
really
depend
I
was
meant
to…
I
was
classed
as
an
evidence
gathering
photographer
that
was
the
actual
title
and
I
was
meant
to
have
a
minder
…
who
was
a
police
officer
with
a
shield
so
that
I
could
take
photographs
and
if
people
were
throwing
things
he
could
stop
me
getting
hit
in
the
face.
That
didn’t
always
work.
but
that
was
the
theory
and
also
what
we
found
is
as
this
went
on
because
it
went
on
for
so
many
weeks.
They
started
running
out
of
people
who
could
do
the
overtime
and
turn
up.
So
after
a
certain
amount
of
time,
I
stopped
having
a
minder
and
I
would
just
be
given
a
driver
or
I
would
be
put
in
a
OSU
vehicle
with
about
9
other
cops
…
but
no
one
really
looking
out
for
me.
So
that
was
a
little
bit
that
wasn’t
really
how
we’d
been
trained
and
It
wasn’t
really
what
should
have
happened.
But
it
was
just
the
case
of
needs
must
but
it
led
to
a
few
scary
incidents…
so
towards
the
end
of
it
at
the
beginning
I
never
felt
threatened
there
was
no,
you
know,
there’s
nothing
particularly
scary…
towards
the
end
there
was
a lot
more
fighting
but
then
so
after
that
we’d
go
out
and
we’d
drive
around
sort
of
the
…
known
areas
like
Monroe’s
Sett
End
in
there’d
places
where
you
know
people
gather
sometimes
they’d
…
just
go
on
the
motorway
services
to
see
if
we
could
see
the
convoys
and
we’d
just
drive
around
for
a
bit
more
often
than
not…
you
end
up
just
watching
actual
people
coming
out
…
the
pubs
fighting
there
was
sort
of
more
to
see
doing
that
to
begin
with
because
nothing
usually
happened
until
sort
of
…
t o’clock
at
the
earliest
so
you’d
just
be
killing
time
until
then
and
then
often
you
would
sort
of…
it
would…
it
changed
to
begin
with…
we
sort
of
just
observed
and
followed
the
convoys
and
it
was
more
sort
of
like
a
real
curiosity
thing.
…
They
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
dealing
with
and
we’d
sort
of
drive
around
for
hours
and
hours
and
you
know
they
try
and
stop
it
but
often
…
that
wouldn’t
work
at
the
beginning
because
they
weren’t
well
prepared
and
the
organisers
of
the
parties
were
far
better
prepared
so
they
caught
em
off
guard
and
towards
the
end
you
would
sort
of…
it
became
…
more
disruptive
the
idea
was
to
actually
spoil
it
for
everybody
so
it
wasn’t
worth
heading
out
on
an
evening
so
it
varied
and
then
usually
the
frustrating
part
is
you’d
start
work
at
like
9
or
…
10 o’clock
at
night
and
you
really
wouldn’t
do
anything
often
until
6
or
7 o’clock
in
the
morning
so
you
didn’t
care
often
by
that
point
I
just
wanted
it
to
end.
I
didn’t
care
if
anyone
had
another
party
but
that
wasn’t
the
official
line.
Just
looking
at
that
time
you
were
24
years
old
presumably
you’d
go
out
and
enjoy
yourself
as
well…
what
was
your
kind
of
feeling
when…
how
did
you
feel
about
the
environment
and
the
things
that
were
going
on?
Did
you
ever
…
…
your
own
judgment
about
it?
What
did
it
feel
like
to
be
around
it?
Yeah,
that
was
the…
thing
is…
I
was
missing
out
on
everything
because
I
got
married
when
I
was
20
and
I
had
a
house
and
I
had
all
those
sort
of
responsibilities
and
so
I
was
sort
of
quite
jealous
if
I’m
honest
I
was
like
I
didn’t
I’d
never
heard
of
it
before
I
started
I’d
heard
it
in
the
press
but
I
could
never
figure
out
how
everyone
knew
what
was
going
on
they
made
me
feel
totally
out
of
the
loop
really
it
was
like
I
just
obviously
was
missing
out
on
this
but
it
wasn’t
really
my
type
of
music
I
didn’t
I
didn’t
hate
it
I
didn’t
have
sort
of
any
real
prejudice
against
it.
I
was
amazed
at
how
popular
it
was
but
I
was
sort
of
more
into
like
The
Velvet
Underground
…
that
sort
of
more
heroin
based
Rock,
you
know,
so
it’s
all
guitars
and…
and
this
was
I
was
a
little
bit
behind
the
times
so
I
did
feel
though
that
sort
of…
I
say
jealous
more
than
anything
because
you’d
see
something
was
happening
and
and
yet
my
life
was
like
a
middle-aged
man…
you
know,
I
was
I
was
old
before
my
time
and
it
was
a
shame
but
it’s
also
…
you
said
how
I
felt
about
it
…
Yes.
going
and
spoiling
everyone’s
fun
that
were
sort
of…
around
my
age
and
doing
it,
but
there
was
an
element
of
that
but
when…
when…
we
started
the
job
really
it
was
for
public
order.
So
I
hadn’t
really
considered.
I
was
just
glad
to
get
out
of
the
darkroom
to
be
honest.
I
got
the
opportunity
to
do
it
and
it
was
so
exciting.
And
I
also
figured
someone
was
going
to
do
it.
Anyway,
it
might
as
well
be
me
and
although
you
still
had
to
do
that
job.
there
was
still
a
degree
of
agency
…
So
for
example,
just
this
isn’t
quite
Acid
House
but
just
an
example.
We
did
the
Hare
Coursing
at
Altcar
…
and
a
lot
of
animal
rights
protesters
turned
up
and
they
were
provoked
by
all
the
guys
who
are
into
the
hunting
and
they’d
gone
to
watch
it…
and
they
were
spitting
at
the
saboteurs
and
doing
all
this
so
I
ended
up
filming
and
photographing
them.
So
you
could
there
was
still
some
agency
you
could
you
could
interpret
what
was
going
on
in
your
own
way.
Now
the
thing
is
if
you
were…
if
there
was
any
actual
violence
or
there
is
a
sort
of
public
order
incident..
you
really
couldn’t
tell
what
was
happening.
It
was
often
dark
you
were
using
a
flash
gun
so
really
you’re
trying
to
focus
get
as
many
pictures
off
as
you
could
but
you
couldn’t
tell
what
you’re
photographing
but
that
meant
that
the
police
had
to
be
aware
of
what
we
were
doing
because
if
they
were
behaving
criminally
themselves…
if
they
were
overstepping
the
mark…
if
they
were
doing
something
they
shouldn’t
have
done.
I
couldn’t
tell.
I
would
still
…
photograph
them
doing
it
and
when
those
photographs
if
they
had
to
go
forward
as
evidence
in
court…
the
negatives
had
to
be
submitted
so
you
couldn’t
ever
edit
it
out
you
couldn’t
like
hide
those
photos
where
someone
was
hurting
someone…
you
know,
they…
they
had
to
go
in
and
it
meant…
there was
a
little
bit
of
hostility
when
we
first
started
doing
it
police
were
quite
worried
that
they
were
going
to
get
in…
in
a
lot
of
trouble
and
they
found
really
after
2
or
3
things
it
was
the
other
way
round
it
actually
helped
and
showed
what
was
going
on
but
it
did
mean
when
I
was
around
they
behaved
quite
well
because
they
had
to.
You
know
they
just
had
to.
There’s
the
sense
that
you
were
working
for
both
sides
because
you
were
illuminating
what
happened
with
the
way
the
police
handled
situations
as
much
as
the
criminal
behaviour
that
happened.
Well,
that’s
how
I
justified
it
to
myself
at
the
time
because
I
did
have
you
know,
there
are
other
sort
of
Orwellian
…
connotations
of
it,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
also
knew
how
we
were
handling
the
material
and
I
think
from
the
outside
it
might
have
looked
very
very
sinister
and
I
understood
that
it
could
do
but
when
you
actually
saw
how
everything
was
collated
and
what
was
done
with
it…
you
realised
there
was
no…
there
was
no
sort
of
big
master
plan
for
figuring
out
everything
…
I
would
literally
take
these
photographs
and if
something
happened
and
they
needed
to
be
shown
to
the
bosses…
to
show
what
had
gone
on
that
would
happen
but
the
negatives
were
filed
away
in
envelopes
just
a
bag
of
and
you
know
about
10
films
in
an
envelope
and
they’d go
in
a
filing
cabinet
and
the
photographs
would
just
again
they’d
just
be
filed
and
they
would
never
be
used
again
so
it
wasn’t
like
it
was
a
big
database
being
built
up.
I
think
now
I
would
have
far
more
concerns
with
the
computerisation
of
everything
you
would
be
able
to
log
everything
so
more
clearly
but
having
seen…
I
wouldn’t
say…
it
was
just…
it
was
very…
very
low-tech
and
it
was
really
covering
the
backs
to
begin
with
rather
than
trying
to
do
anything
else
so
I
was
okay
with
it…
what
I
did.
I was
quite
well-read
I
was
into
sort-of
counterculture
so
I
wasn’t
going
out…
just
with
this
sort
of
right-wing
agenda
to
these
people
who are
committing
crimes…
let’s
nail
em
let’s
do
that.
And
what
I
found
was
quite
good…
with
half
the
people
I
worked
with
were
young
policemen
and
they
weren’t
like
that
either
they
were
actually
quite
understanding
a
lot
of
them
would
really
like
the
culture.
It
was
the
older
ones
that
tended
to
have
more
sort
of
old-fashioned
views
towards
it
and
more
of
that
old
style
of
policing
the
younger
ones
were
a
lot
more
tolerant
and
prepared
to
talk
to
people
rather
than
just
give
orders
and
that
was
something
I
also
did…
…
if
people
asked
me
what
I
was
doing.
I
always
chatted
because
I
knew
how
it
looked
and
I
knew
I
would
be
annoyed
if
someone
stuck
a
camera
in
my
face,
so
I
did
try
sometimes
people
were
okay
about
it.
Sometimes
they
weren’t
and
I
understand
why
they
weren’t
but
I
did
always…
it would never
just
be…
I
would
always
try
and
sort
of
give
an
account
of
what
we were
doing
whether
they
believed
me
or
not.
can’t
you
talk to me
about
the
relationship
between
the
police
and
the
people
delivering
the
parties
or
attending
the
parties?
Was
it
as
fractious
as it
may
come
across
or…
what
was
the
communication
like?
I
think
it
changed.
I
mean
when
I
first
started
doing
it…
I
think
I
came
in
quite…
it
had
already
been
going
on
for
a
while
and
they
weren’t
sure
what
to
do.
But
when
I
started
there
were
like
thousands
of
people
turning
up
I
mean
thousands
of
cars
…
even
and
they
were
sort
of
ordinary
kids
and
you
know,
the
worst
things
you’d
see
would
be
a
few
…
traffic
violations
or
some
dodgy
parking
and
obviously
trespassing
and
things
like
that,
but
they
weren’t
major
issues
and
like
I
said
on
the
first
party
I
did
we…
the
police
set
up
a
roadblock
and
it
was
deemed
to
be
illegal
and
the
organisers
had
a
lawyer
who
told
the
police
you
can’t
have
this
roadblock…
the police
admitted
no,
you’re
right
fair
enough
and
they
took
it
down
and
we
all
sort
of
stood
down
and
let
the
party
happen
and
I
know
me
and
my
minder
spent
most
of
the
evening
showing
people
how
to
get
to
the
party
so
there
was
a
sort
of
like
…
we
lost
it
was
fair
and
square
and
there
was
no
animosity
and
it
was
sort
of
quite
good-natured
and
like
I said
we
chatted
to
a
lot
of
people
because
at
that
stage,
I
didn’t
really
know
what
it
was.
So
I
was
asking
a
lot
of
questions
some
answered
and
then
some
thought
it
was
like
I
was
going
to
write
it
all
down
and
prosecute
which
I
wasn’t
I was
just
curious.
So
at
that
point
it
was
pretty…
pretty
laid-back
I
would
say
they
would
you
know
the
police
some
of
the
older
ones
still
saw
it
as
quite
intimidating
the
fact
the
weight
of
numbers
of
people
and
the
fact
that
people
weren’t
obeying
the
law
all
the
time
there
were
a lot
of
traffic
violations,
but
most of the
younger
ones
didn’t
seem
to
worry
about
it
and
It
felt
more
like
you’re
part
of
it.
I
have
to
say
the
first
few
that
I
did.
I
actually
really
enjoyed
because
you
know,
you
could
hear
the
music
you
could
see
the
lights
you
had
a
sense
you’re
at
something
and
it
was
something
that
was
unfamiliar
to
me.
So
I
enjoyed
that
but
what
you
found
is
as
we
became…
police
tactics
were
sort
of
changed.
I
believe
to
become
more
disruptive
so
that
it
wasn’t
worth
party-goers
turning
out.
They
were
going
to
have
a
crap
evening
and
it
would
just
seemed
too
much
hassle,
they
would
probably
go
to
another
county
which
I
think
at that
stage
Lancashire
would
have settled
…
and
then
there
was
sort
of
slightly
more
confrontations.
We’re
breaking
up
convoys
there
were
more
stop
and
searches
…
on
vehicles
just
to
be
a
nuisance
also
looking
for
drugs,
but
the
idea
primarily
was
to
just
make
it
so
that
you
are
not
left
alone
and
that
changed
the
atmosphere
it
made
people.
I
feel
a
lot
of
time
with
police
work
what
you
see
is
it
might
be
well
intentioned.
…
but
it
actually
galvanizes
the
people
that
you
were
sort
of
looking
at
to
begin
with
and
they
have
to
become
more
organised
and
they
also
have
to
stand
up
for
themselves
more
and
what
we
found
out
later
on
that
I
think
also
the
fact
that
they
knew
that
there was
going
to
be a
police
presence
became
attractive
to
certain
groups
of
people.
So
you
had
your
football
…
casuals
that
we’d be
photographing
on
a
Saturday
or
a
Tuesday
evening
or
whatever
suddenly
realised
they
could
have
a
go
at
the
same
people
with…
sort
of…
more
of
a
crowd
to
hide
themselves in
and
so
as
it
progressed,
I
found…
I
don’t
think…
I
think
sadly
the
units
I
was
with
they
didn’t
really
become
any
more
aggressive
or
less
tolerant,
but
we
were
more
wary
and
that
sort
of
sense
of
fun
and
enjoying
it
went
a
little
bit
and
it
became
quite…
there
were
times
you
were
heavily
outnumbered
and
the
mood
wasn’t
good.
…
Now
people
saw
you
as
the
enemy
whereas
at
the
beginning
it
was
sort
of
like
cat
and
mouse
it
was
almost
like
you’re
part
of
the
game
it
was
you
know,
I
always
felt
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
quite
fun
about
it….
is
if
you
got
to
the
party
and
you’d
beaten
us
it
was
like
a
double
win
but
in
the
end
we
were
quite…
it
was…
we
were
spoiling
more
than…
were
actually
getting
to
take
place
and
also
you
know
you
would
see
some
weird
things
happen.
I
mean…
I
remember
one
they
tried
to
do
a
drugs…
they’d
found
a
guy
who
was
one
of
the
organisers
that
one
of
them
had
like
about
half
a
kilo
of
white
powder
in
a
bag
and
they
thought
they’d
hit
pay-dirt
…
It’s
like
yeah,
you
know,
this
is
a
big
drugs
bust
and
it
turned
out
to
be
something
like
baking
soda
so
they
tried
to
bring
a
charge
of
fraud
against
him
laugh
like
the
fact
that
he
was
selling
something
but
you
know
as
a
drug
that
wasn’t
a
drug
obviously
it didn’t
work,
but
there
was
a
sort
of
a
sense
of
desperation
came
in
and
then
with
the
bosses
later
because
they
couldn’t
really
stop
it
and
it
was
a
shame
it
went
from
the
sort
of
night….
…
I
quite
enjoyed
it
and
I
enjoyed
it
but
it
sort
of
felt
like
an
event
to…
actually
feeling
like
you
were
the
baddies
and
again…
I
have
to
say
the
lads
I
work
with
we
got
really
battered
one
evening.
I
had
all
my
equipment
broken
and
a
policeman
had
a
heart
attack
and
died
and
there
was
major…
the police
station
was
stormed.
It
was
pretty
horrific.
And
at
the
end
of
it
we
cornered
a
group
of
kids
who
were
going
to
the
party
who’d
been
causing
all
this
trouble
and
they
were
just
told
to
go
home
and
I
really
thought
at
that
time
I
was
going
to
witness
the
first
bit
of
police
brutality
I’d
ever
seen
because
I’d
been
frightened
all
night
and
someone
had
died
and
I
thought
they
were
just
going
to
go
wading
in
with
the
batons
and we’d
just
sent them
home
so
although
the
dynamic
changed
I
think
the
lads
I
worked
with
certainly
were more
professional
but
they
were
trained.
They
were
the
riot
police
whereas
I
think
some
of
the
Bobbies
on
the
beat…
I
think
a
few
of
them
were
losing
their
patience
…
so
yeah,
it
changed
it
changed
from
being
something
we’re
all
in
together
to
quite
binary
opposition.
It’s
yeah,
it’s
really
interesting
because
…
You’ve
provided
some
really
really
Illuminating
notes
that
you
wrote
after
each
event…
…
Yes.
…that
I have
read
that
have
provided
all
these
details
evidence
anecdotes
and
stories
that
have
been
told
in
the
interviews
that
we
already
have…
and
put
timestamps
and
dates
on
them.
So
it’s
really
fantastic
to
read
and
we’ll
publish
these
with
your
interview…
and
one
thing
I
noticed
was
the
the
first
the
first
party
you
talked
about
is
in
1989
and
you
say
all
very
good-natured
and
there’s
so
many
people
but
no
one’s
causing
any
trouble
whatsoever
and
it
seems
like
the
criminality
and
the
violence
is
not
really
anything
well
and
then
as…
as
the
stories
go
on
we
get
to
kind
of
the
last
couple
where
a
brick’s
hit…
you’re
hit
in
the
side
of
the…
your
camera’s
broken
because
you’ve
been
hit…
Yeah.
Like
numerous
stories
about
people
throwing
bricks
and
the
violence
seems
quite
intense
did
you
see this
building?
Was
that
the
kind
of
trajectory
that
happened
over
the
period
that
you were
working
on
these?
Yeah,
I
think
so.
It’s
like…
like
I
say,
I’ve
figured
some
of
the
lads
because
we were
involved
in
like
photographing
football
violence
so
a
lot
of
the
lads
from
that
knew
who
we
were
and
once
they’d
seen
us
turning
up
I
think
they
all…
you
know,
they
didn’t
get
a
good
run
at
us
at
the
football
because
it’s
daylight
there’s
you
know
fairly
low
numbers
of
them
and
I
think
they
saw
that
as
an
opportunity
I
also
think
people’s
attitudes
did
harden…
the
parties
became
smaller
but
the
people
that
were
going
to…
them
seemed
more
hardcore
and
they
weren’t
prepared
to
be
pushed
around
whereas
at
the
beginning.
It
was
a
lot
of
middle-class
kids
who’d
borrowed
daddy’s
Audi
and
driven
up
from
some
Berkhamsted
or
something
and
you
know,
lots
of
people
from
Blackburn
as
well,
but
it
was
there
was
more
of
a
it
was
just
ordinary
kids
at the
beginning
and
it
became
a
lot
harder
later
on
and
we
were
told
and
again,
I
don’t
know
how
much
of it’s
true
because
we
were
getting
the
police
briefing
and
sometimes
you
know
in
hindsight
you
realise
you
were
being
told
one
thing
and
it
wasn’t
necessarily
true
but
I
don’t
know
if
they
actually
knew
it
wasn’t
true
or
that
was
the
belief
at
the
time
but
we
were
told
at
the
beginning
it
was
more
sort
of
party
organisers
were
people
who
had
a
bit
of
money
and
could
set it up
and
wanted
to
create
a
party
and
a
scene
and
everything
and
later
on
because
the
criminal
gangs
were
figuring
out
there’s
a
lot
of
money
to
be
made
there
was
a
sort
of
slightly
darker
element
moving
into
it
and
so
that
sort
of
tied
in
it
would
have
made
sense
whether
that
was
true
or
not
I
don’t
know
but
it
did
it
did
get
a
real
edge
later
on
and
you
were
you
knew
that
you
were
not
going
to
get
home
without
actually
being
attacked.
And
so
it
was
a
very
different
thing
again.
I
sort
of…
I
think
it
depends
on
how
how
you
do
it
sometimes
you
know
people
would
just
they
would
attack
me
before
you’d
done
anything
so
they
definitely
come
for
a
go
and
you
know
once
we
were
on
the
slipway at
Charnock
Richard
Services
and
they’d
come prepared
they’d
brought
loads
of
rockets
and
fireworks
and
there’s
just
this
barrage
of
stuff
came
in,
you
know,
and
some
of
it
you
you
didn’t
mind
but
it
was
I
there
were
times
I
was
genuinely
scared
later
on
whereas
in
the
beginning
I
would
have
happily
walked
through
all
the
crowds
and
chatted
and
done
everything
we
did
that
many
times
even
bizarrely
…
you
know,
you’d
be
chasing
people
around
Blackburn
town
centre
for
no
apparent
reason.
I
have
to
say
just
trying
to
disperse
them
and
keep
them
away
from
the
venue
but
they’d
eventually
stop
and
chat
and
it
was
nice
when
it
was
like
that
and
yeah,
it
definitely
got
a
lot
harder
and
a
lot
more
intense
and
they
say
you do…
I
know
there
was
one
guy
set
up
a
party
because
I
found
out
who
he
was
later
and
he
was
like,
he
was
quite
a
heavy
guy
actually
ended
up
going
away
for
murder.
So
you
know
that
would
sort
of
lend
creedence
that
there
was
that
going
on,
but
I
don’t
know
it’s
only
what
you’re
told
and
I
got
a
very
obviously
one-sided
view
of
it
so
Yeah,
I
think
a
lot
of
this
comes
into
the
fact
that
those
parties
seemed
to
be
such a
melting
pot
of
people.
So
it
was
people
from
every
type
of
background
with
different
music
tastes
who
came
and
became
a part of this
new
style
of
music
that
the
things
that
were
going
on
there
but
definitely
people
with
really
different
attitudes
about
why
they
were
there
and
whether
it
was
with
good
intentions
or
whether
they were
up
for
things.
So
then
the
last
question
I’m
going
to
ask
you
is
we’ve
asked
everybody
and
we’ve
positioned
this
archive
as
something
that
people
can
see,
you
know
in a 100
years
time
when
they’re
looking
back
and
trying
to
understand
…
working-class
stories
and
the
things
that
happened
in
Blackburn
and
if
there’s
any
message
or
something
that
you
would
like
people
to
know
about
this
era
…
in
a
hundred
years
time,
what’d
you
say?
I
actually
feel
very
privileged
to
have
had…
to
have
been
there
to
witness
it.
I
feel
I
probably
wasn’t
on
the
right
side
of
it,
but
given
that
that
was
the
case
…
I
don’t
think
I
got
anyone
in
any
trouble
that
didn’t
deserve
it.
It’s
like
and
you
know,
like
I
say
mostly
it
was
an
overview
But
yeah,
I
feel…
I
think
it’s
one
of
the
things…
I
feel it’s
really
a
shame
now…
is
that
I
think
kids
today
really…
really
could
use
something
like
Acid
House.
I
think
that
bringing
everyone
together.
It
was
like
that
generation
got
their
version
of
the
60s
and
it
was
an
amazing
time
to
be
out
and
there
was
a
real
sense
of
excitement
and
I
sort
of
I
said
I
wasn’t
on
the
side
where
all
the
fun
was
but
I
still
got
that
energy
from
it.
It
still
felt
as
you
sort
of
get
close
to
a
venue
and
you
see
the
lights
and
then
you
sort
of
feel
the
bass
and
it
was
just…
it
was
really
quite
intoxicating
and
it
was
why
I
felt
sort
of
disappointed
at
how
it
went
ended.
I
think
it
was
a
wonderful
time.
I
really
did
feel
at
the
time
that
I
was
witnessing
something
special.
I
thought
it
might
last
a
little
bit
longer
than
it
did
it
but
given
what
everyone
had
to
put
up
with
I’m
not
surprised
it
sort
of
moved
indoors
and
legal
but
yeah
it
was…
it
was
a
very
exciting
time
and
I
think
it
made
me…
I
noticed
at
the
end
of
the
diary
where
I
put
some
of
these
things
that
my
New
Year’s
resolution
was
to
stop
working
for
the
police
so
I
definitely
felt the need
to
get
out
and
have
more
of
an
exciting
life
like
these
kids
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How
were
you
involved
in
the
Acid
House
era
around
Blackburn.
I
got
asked
to
do
some
photography
to
show
the
general
situation
when
we
first
started…
from
what
I
understood
the
police
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
dealing
with
and
they
were
having
to
put
in
vast
amounts
of
manpower
and
there
were
a
lot
of
I
think
a
lot
of
senior
officers
questioning
what
was
going
on
and
we
were
asked
if
we
could
turn
up…
we
helped
them
out
on
a
football
job
about
2
months
earlier
where
the
police
have
been
accused
of
sort
of
not
doing
a
good
enough
job
and
our
photographs
…
bailed
them
out
and
they
were
sort
of
very
keen
to
use us
in
public
order
settings…
partly
after
the
Hillsborough
disaster.
I
think
they
believed
that
they
would
be
exonerated.
If
all
this
was
shown
which
when
you
look
at
what’s
actually
happened
at
the
Hillsborough
disaster
has
proved
not
to
be
the
case.
So
we
were
asked
to
go
along
and
the
first
sort
of
initial
briefing
was
to
get
a
general
overview
of
what
was
happening
so
we
could
show
that
they
wanted…
to
show
the
like…
sort
of
spots
of
people
sitting
on
junctions…
the
convoys
the
sheer
number
of
people
that
were
turning
up
to
it.
So
it
was
just
a
general
thing
which
was
quite
a
nice
project
because
I
was
sort
of
interested
in
photography
from
a
more
artistic
perspective.
I
ended
up
working
for
the
police.
Somebody
who had
been
unemployed
for
3
years
when
I
left
school,
and
they
just
needed
a
printer
and
I
went
from
starting…
doing
that
moved
up
moved
up
and
gradually
with
this
type
of
work.
They
figured
it
was
easier
to
teach
someone
like
me
how
to
get
out
and
do
the
photography
than
it
was
to
teach
policemen
how
to
work
a
camera.
So…
so
that
was
how
it…
sort
of
started
and
like
I
said
to
begin
with
it
was
quite
good
because
you
were
sort
of
looking
at
the
bigger
picture
rather
than
just
trying
to
identify
people
or
get
them
arrested.
So
it
was
pretty
enjoyable
to
begin
with.
so
could
you
talk
me
through
what
an
evening
doing
this
job
would
be
like
and
how
it
would
start…
how
you
found
out
about
it…
and
what
the
process
would
be?
Sure.
So
we’d
usually
meet
up
police
headquarters
or
maybe
a
divisional
headquarters…
get
all
the
equipment
we
needed
I
used
to
sort
of
…
…
usually
check
it
all
the
day
before
because
there’s
nothing
worse
than
turning
up
and
something
breaking
…
fairly
early
on.
So
you
get
all
that…
you
used
to have to
pack
NATO
Gear.
So
like
your
riot
helmet
your
flameproof
overalls…
all
this
in
case
it
really
kicked
off…
was
the
idea
and
then
you
would
go
to
the
briefing
wherever
it
was
and
these
really
varied.
I
sort
of
found
some
some
of
the
commanders
were
really
good
and
really
on
the
ball
and
some
really
boring
and
really
I
don’t
know
some of them
seemed to
have
a
very
good
way
of
explaining
it
to
everybody
and
making
sure
everyone
knew
what
they
were
doing
and
others
were
so
vague.
It’s
a
little
bit
like
the
government
at
the
moment.
It
allowed
people
to
make
mistakes
because
they
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
doing.
So
we’d
start
that
we’d
have
the
briefing
and
then
it
would
really
depend
I
was
meant
to…
I
was
classed
as
an
evidence
gathering
photographer
that
was
the
actual
title
and
I
was
meant
to
have
a
minder
…
who
was
a
police
officer
with
a
shield
so
that
I
could
take
photographs
and
if
people
were
throwing
things
he
could
stop
me
getting
hit
in
the
face.
That
didn’t
always
work.
but
that
was
the
theory
and
also
what
we
found
is
as
this
went
on
because
it
went
on
for
so
many
weeks.
They
started
running
out
of
people
who
could
do
the
overtime
and
turn
up.
So
after
a
certain
amount
of
time,
I
stopped
having
a
minder
and
I
would
just
be
given
a
driver
or
I
would
be
put
in
a
OSU
vehicle
with
about
9
other
cops
…
but
no
one
really
looking
out
for
me.
So
that
was
a
little
bit
that
wasn’t
really
how
we’d
been
trained
and
It
wasn’t
really
what
should
have
happened.
But
it
was
just
the
case
of
needs
must
but
it
led
to
a
few
scary
incidents…
so
towards
the
end
of
it
at
the
beginning
I
never
felt
threatened
there
was
no,
you
know,
there’s
nothing
particularly
scary…
towards
the
end
there
was
a lot
more
fighting
but
then
so
after
that
we’d
go
out
and
we’d
drive
around
sort
of
the
…
known
areas
like
Monroe’s
Sett
End
in
there’d
places
where
you
know
people
gather
sometimes
they’d
…
just
go
on
the
motorway
services
to
see
if
we
could
see
the
convoys
and
we’d
just
drive
around
for
a
bit
more
often
than
not…
you
end
up
just
watching
actual
people
coming
out
…
the
pubs
fighting
there
was
sort
of
more
to
see
doing
that
to
begin
with
because
nothing
usually
happened
until
sort
of
…
t o’clock
at
the
earliest
so
you’d
just
be
killing
time
until
then
and
then
often
you
would
sort
of…
it
would…
it
changed
to
begin
with…
we
sort
of
just
observed
and
followed
the
convoys
and
it
was
more
sort
of
like
a
real
curiosity
thing.
…
They
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
dealing
with
and
we’d
sort
of
drive
around
for
hours
and
hours
and
you
know
they
try
and
stop
it
but
often
…
that
wouldn’t
work
at
the
beginning
because
they
weren’t
well
prepared
and
the
organisers
of
the
parties
were
far
better
prepared
so
they
caught
em
off
guard
and
towards
the
end
you
would
sort
of…
it
became
…
more
disruptive
the
idea
was
to
actually
spoil
it
for
everybody
so
it
wasn’t
worth
heading
out
on
an
evening
so
it
varied
and
then
usually
the
frustrating
part
is
you’d
start
work
at
like
9
or
…
10 o’clock
at
night
and
you
really
wouldn’t
do
anything
often
until
6
or
7 o’clock
in
the
morning
so
you
didn’t
care
often
by
that
point
I
just
wanted
it
to
end.
I
didn’t
care
if
anyone
had
another
party
but
that
wasn’t
the
official
line.
Just
looking
at
that
time
you
were
24
years
old
presumably
you’d
go
out
and
enjoy
yourself
as
well…
what
was
your
kind
of
feeling
when…
how
did
you
feel
about
the
environment
and
the
things
that
were
going
on?
Did
you
ever
…
…
your
own
judgment
about
it?
What
did
it
feel
like
to
be
around
it?
Yeah,
that
was
the…
thing
is…
I
was
missing
out
on
everything
because
I
got
married
when
I
was
20
and
I
had
a
house
and
I
had
all
those
sort
of
responsibilities
and
so
I
was
sort
of
quite
jealous
if
I’m
honest
I
was
like
I
didn’t
I’d
never
heard
of
it
before
I
started
I’d
heard
it
in
the
press
but
I
could
never
figure
out
how
everyone
knew
what
was
going
on
they
made
me
feel
totally
out
of
the
loop
really
it
was
like
I
just
obviously
was
missing
out
on
this
but
it
wasn’t
really
my
type
of
music
I
didn’t
I
didn’t
hate
it
I
didn’t
have
sort
of
any
real
prejudice
against
it.
I
was
amazed
at
how
popular
it
was
but
I
was
sort
of
more
into
like
The
Velvet
Underground
…
that
sort
of
more
heroin
based
Rock,
you
know,
so
it’s
all
guitars
and…
and
this
was
I
was
a
little
bit
behind
the
times
so
I
did
feel
though
that
sort
of…
I
say
jealous
more
than
anything
because
you’d
see
something
was
happening
and
and
yet
my
life
was
like
a
middle-aged
man…
you
know,
I
was
I
was
old
before
my
time
and
it
was
a
shame
but
it’s
also
…
you
said
how
I
felt
about
it
…
Yes.
going
and
spoiling
everyone’s
fun
that
were
sort
of…
around
my
age
and
doing
it,
but
there
was
an
element
of
that
but
when…
when…
we
started
the
job
really
it
was
for
public
order.
So
I
hadn’t
really
considered.
I
was
just
glad
to
get
out
of
the
darkroom
to
be
honest.
I
got
the
opportunity
to
do
it
and
it
was
so
exciting.
And
I
also
figured
someone
was
going
to
do
it.
Anyway,
it
might
as
well
be
me
and
although
you
still
had
to
do
that
job.
there
was
still
a
degree
of
agency
…
So
for
example,
just
this
isn’t
quite
Acid
House
but
just
an
example.
We
did
the
Hare
Coursing
at
Altcar
…
and
a
lot
of
animal
rights
protesters
turned
up
and
they
were
provoked
by
all
the
guys
who
are
into
the
hunting
and
they’d
gone
to
watch
it…
and
they
were
spitting
at
the
saboteurs
and
doing
all
this
so
I
ended
up
filming
and
photographing
them.
So
you
could
there
was
still
some
agency
you
could
you
could
interpret
what
was
going
on
in
your
own
way.
Now
the
thing
is
if
you
were…
if
there
was
any
actual
violence
or
there
is
a
sort
of
public
order
incident..
you
really
couldn’t
tell
what
was
happening.
It
was
often
dark
you
were
using
a
flash
gun
so
really
you’re
trying
to
focus
get
as
many
pictures
off
as
you
could
but
you
couldn’t
tell
what
you’re
photographing
but
that
meant
that
the
police
had
to
be
aware
of
what
we
were
doing
because
if
they
were
behaving
criminally
themselves…
if
they
were
overstepping
the
mark…
if
they
were
doing
something
they
shouldn’t
have
done.
I
couldn’t
tell.
I
would
still
…
photograph
them
doing
it
and
when
those
photographs
if
they
had
to
go
forward
as
evidence
in
court…
the
negatives
had
to
be
submitted
so
you
couldn’t
ever
edit
it
out
you
couldn’t
like
hide
those
photos
where
someone
was
hurting
someone…
you
know,
they…
they
had
to
go
in
and
it
meant…
there was
a
little
bit
of
hostility
when
we
first
started
doing
it
police
were
quite
worried
that
they
were
going
to
get
in…
in
a
lot
of
trouble
and
they
found
really
after
2
or
3
things
it
was
the
other
way
round
it
actually
helped
and
showed
what
was
going
on
but
it
did
mean
when
I
was
around
they
behaved
quite
well
because
they
had
to.
You
know
they
just
had
to.
There’s
the
sense
that
you
were
working
for
both
sides
because
you
were
illuminating
what
happened
with
the
way
the
police
handled
situations
as
much
as
the
criminal
behaviour
that
happened.
Well,
that’s
how
I
justified
it
to
myself
at
the
time
because
I
did
have
you
know,
there
are
other
sort
of
Orwellian
…
connotations
of
it,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
also
knew
how
we
were
handling
the
material
and
I
think
from
the
outside
it
might
have
looked
very
very
sinister
and
I
understood
that
it
could
do
but
when
you
actually
saw
how
everything
was
collated
and
what
was
done
with
it…
you
realised
there
was
no…
there
was
no
sort
of
big
master
plan
for
figuring
out
everything
…
I
would
literally
take
these
photographs
and if
something
happened
and
they
needed
to
be
shown
to
the
bosses…
to
show
what
had
gone
on
that
would
happen
but
the
negatives
were
filed
away
in
envelopes
just
a
bag
of
and
you
know
about
10
films
in
an
envelope
and
they’d go
in
a
filing
cabinet
and
the
photographs
would
just
again
they’d
just
be
filed
and
they
would
never
be
used
again
so
it
wasn’t
like
it
was
a
big
database
being
built
up.
I
think
now
I
would
have
far
more
concerns
with
the
computerisation
of
everything
you
would
be
able
to
log
everything
so
more
clearly
but
having
seen…
I
wouldn’t
say…
it
was
just…
it
was
very…
very
low-tech
and
it
was
really
covering
the
backs
to
begin
with
rather
than
trying
to
do
anything
else
so
I
was
okay
with
it…
what
I
did.
I was
quite
well-read
I
was
into
sort-of
counterculture
so
I
wasn’t
going
out…
just
with
this
sort
of
right-wing
agenda
to
these
people
who are
committing
crimes…
let’s
nail
em
let’s
do
that.
And
what
I
found
was
quite
good…
with
half
the
people
I
worked
with
were
young
policemen
and
they
weren’t
like
that
either
they
were
actually
quite
understanding
a
lot
of
them
would
really
like
the
culture.
It
was
the
older
ones
that
tended
to
have
more
sort
of
old-fashioned
views
towards
it
and
more
of
that
old
style
of
policing
the
younger
ones
were
a
lot
more
tolerant
and
prepared
to
talk
to
people
rather
than
just
give
orders
and
that
was
something
I
also
did…
…
if
people
asked
me
what
I
was
doing.
I
always
chatted
because
I
knew
how
it
looked
and
I
knew
I
would
be
annoyed
if
someone
stuck
a
camera
in
my
face,
so
I
did
try
sometimes
people
were
okay
about
it.
Sometimes
they
weren’t
and
I
understand
why
they
weren’t
but
I
did
always…
it would never
just
be…
I
would
always
try
and
sort
of
give
an
account
of
what
we were
doing
whether
they
believed
me
or
not.
can’t
you
talk to me
about
the
relationship
between
the
police
and
the
people
delivering
the
parties
or
attending
the
parties?
Was
it
as
fractious
as it
may
come
across
or…
what
was
the
communication
like?
I
think
it
changed.
I
mean
when
I
first
started
doing
it…
I
think
I
came
in
quite…
it
had
already
been
going
on
for
a
while
and
they
weren’t
sure
what
to
do.
But
when
I
started
there
were
like
thousands
of
people
turning
up
I
mean
thousands
of
cars
…
even
and
they
were
sort
of
ordinary
kids
and
you
know,
the
worst
things
you’d
see
would
be
a
few
…
traffic
violations
or
some
dodgy
parking
and
obviously
trespassing
and
things
like
that,
but
they
weren’t
major
issues
and
like
I
said
on
the
first
party
I
did
we…
the
police
set
up
a
roadblock
and
it
was
deemed
to
be
illegal
and
the
organisers
had
a
lawyer
who
told
the
police
you
can’t
have
this
roadblock…
the police
admitted
no,
you’re
right
fair
enough
and
they
took
it
down
and
we
all
sort
of
stood
down
and
let
the
party
happen
and
I
know
me
and
my
minder
spent
most
of
the
evening
showing
people
how
to
get
to
the
party
so
there
was
a
sort
of
like
…
we
lost
it
was
fair
and
square
and
there
was
no
animosity
and
it
was
sort
of
quite
good-natured
and
like
I said
we
chatted
to
a
lot
of
people
because
at
that
stage,
I
didn’t
really
know
what
it
was.
So
I
was
asking
a
lot
of
questions
some
answered
and
then
some
thought
it
was
like
I
was
going
to
write
it
all
down
and
prosecute
which
I
wasn’t
I was
just
curious.
So
at
that
point
it
was
pretty…
pretty
laid-back
I
would
say
they
would
you
know
the
police
some
of
the
older
ones
still
saw
it
as
quite
intimidating
the
fact
the
weight
of
numbers
of
people
and
the
fact
that
people
weren’t
obeying
the
law
all
the
time
there
were
a lot
of
traffic
violations,
but
most of the
younger
ones
didn’t
seem
to
worry
about
it
and
It
felt
more
like
you’re
part
of
it.
I
have
to
say
the
first
few
that
I
did.
I
actually
really
enjoyed
because
you
know,
you
could
hear
the
music
you
could
see
the
lights
you
had
a
sense
you’re
at
something
and
it
was
something
that
was
unfamiliar
to
me.
So
I
enjoyed
that
but
what
you
found
is
as
we
became…
police
tactics
were
sort
of
changed.
I
believe
to
become
more
disruptive
so
that
it
wasn’t
worth
party-goers
turning
out.
They
were
going
to
have
a
crap
evening
and
it
would
just
seemed
too
much
hassle,
they
would
probably
go
to
another
county
which
I
think
at that
stage
Lancashire
would
have settled
…
and
then
there
was
sort
of
slightly
more
confrontations.
We’re
breaking
up
convoys
there
were
more
stop
and
searches
…
on
vehicles
just
to
be
a
nuisance
also
looking
for
drugs,
but
the
idea
primarily
was
to
just
make
it
so
that
you
are
not
left
alone
and
that
changed
the
atmosphere
it
made
people.
I
feel
a
lot
of
time
with
police
work
what
you
see
is
it
might
be
well
intentioned.
…
but
it
actually
galvanizes
the
people
that
you
were
sort
of
looking
at
to
begin
with
and
they
have
to
become
more
organised
and
they
also
have
to
stand
up
for
themselves
more
and
what
we
found
out
later
on
that
I
think
also
the
fact
that
they
knew
that
there was
going
to
be a
police
presence
became
attractive
to
certain
groups
of
people.
So
you
had
your
football
…
casuals
that
we’d be
photographing
on
a
Saturday
or
a
Tuesday
evening
or
whatever
suddenly
realised
they
could
have
a
go
at
the
same
people
with…
sort
of…
more
of
a
crowd
to
hide
themselves in
and
so
as
it
progressed,
I
found…
I
don’t
think…
I
think
sadly
the
units
I
was
with
they
didn’t
really
become
any
more
aggressive
or
less
tolerant,
but
we
were
more
wary
and
that
sort
of
sense
of
fun
and
enjoying
it
went
a
little
bit
and
it
became
quite…
there
were
times
you
were
heavily
outnumbered
and
the
mood
wasn’t
good.
…
Now
people
saw
you
as
the
enemy
whereas
at
the
beginning
it
was
sort
of
like
cat
and
mouse
it
was
almost
like
you’re
part
of
the
game
it
was
you
know,
I
always
felt
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
quite
fun
about
it….
is
if
you
got
to
the
party
and
you’d
beaten
us
it
was
like
a
double
win
but
in
the
end
we
were
quite…
it
was…
we
were
spoiling
more
than…
were
actually
getting
to
take
place
and
also
you
know
you
would
see
some
weird
things
happen.
I
mean…
I
remember
one
they
tried
to
do
a
drugs…
they’d
found
a
guy
who
was
one
of
the
organisers
that
one
of
them
had
like
about
half
a
kilo
of
white
powder
in
a
bag
and
they
thought
they’d
hit
pay-dirt
…
It’s
like
yeah,
you
know,
this
is
a
big
drugs
bust
and
it
turned
out
to
be
something
like
baking
soda
so
they
tried
to
bring
a
charge
of
fraud
against
him
laugh
like
the
fact
that
he
was
selling
something
but
you
know
as
a
drug
that
wasn’t
a
drug
obviously
it didn’t
work,
but
there
was
a
sort
of
a
sense
of
desperation
came
in
and
then
with
the
bosses
later
because
they
couldn’t
really
stop
it
and
it
was
a
shame
it
went
from
the
sort
of
night….
…
I
quite
enjoyed
it
and
I
enjoyed
it
but
it
sort
of
felt
like
an
event
to…
actually
feeling
like
you
were
the
baddies
and
again…
I
have
to
say
the
lads
I
work
with
we
got
really
battered
one
evening.
I
had
all
my
equipment
broken
and
a
policeman
had
a
heart
attack
and
died
and
there
was
major…
the police
station
was
stormed.
It
was
pretty
horrific.
And
at
the
end
of
it
we
cornered
a
group
of
kids
who
were
going
to
the
party
who’d
been
causing
all
this
trouble
and
they
were
just
told
to
go
home
and
I
really
thought
at
that
time
I
was
going
to
witness
the
first
bit
of
police
brutality
I’d
ever
seen
because
I’d
been
frightened
all
night
and
someone
had
died
and
I
thought
they
were
just
going
to
go
wading
in
with
the
batons
and we’d
just
sent them
home
so
although
the
dynamic
changed
I
think
the
lads
I
worked
with
certainly
were more
professional
but
they
were
trained.
They
were
the
riot
police
whereas
I
think
some
of
the
Bobbies
on
the
beat…
I
think
a
few
of
them
were
losing
their
patience
…
so
yeah,
it
changed
it
changed
from
being
something
we’re
all
in
together
to
quite
binary
opposition.
It’s
yeah,
it’s
really
interesting
because
…
You’ve
provided
some
really
really
Illuminating
notes
that
you
wrote
after
each
event…
…
Yes.
…that
I have
read
that
have
provided
all
these
details
evidence
anecdotes
and
stories
that
have
been
told
in
the
interviews
that
we
already
have…
and
put
timestamps
and
dates
on
them.
So
it’s
really
fantastic
to
read
and
we’ll
publish
these
with
your
interview…
and
one
thing
I
noticed
was
the
the
first
the
first
party
you
talked
about
is
in
1989
and
you
say
all
very
good-natured
and
there’s
so
many
people
but
no
one’s
causing
any
trouble
whatsoever
and
it
seems
like
the
criminality
and
the
violence
is
not
really
anything
well
and
then
as…
as
the
stories
go
on
we
get
to
kind
of
the
last
couple
where
a
brick’s
hit…
you’re
hit
in
the
side
of
the…
your
camera’s
broken
because
you’ve
been
hit…
Yeah.
Like
numerous
stories
about
people
throwing
bricks
and
the
violence
seems
quite
intense
did
you
see this
building?
Was
that
the
kind
of
trajectory
that
happened
over
the
period
that
you were
working
on
these?
Yeah,
I
think
so.
It’s
like…
like
I
say,
I’ve
figured
some
of
the
lads
because
we were
involved
in
like
photographing
football
violence
so
a
lot
of
the
lads
from
that
knew
who
we
were
and
once
they’d
seen
us
turning
up
I
think
they
all…
you
know,
they
didn’t
get
a
good
run
at
us
at
the
football
because
it’s
daylight
there’s
you
know
fairly
low
numbers
of
them
and
I
think
they
saw
that
as
an
opportunity
I
also
think
people’s
attitudes
did
harden…
the
parties
became
smaller
but
the
people
that
were
going
to…
them
seemed
more
hardcore
and
they
weren’t
prepared
to
be
pushed
around
whereas
at
the
beginning.
It
was
a
lot
of
middle-class
kids
who’d
borrowed
daddy’s
Audi
and
driven
up
from
some
Berkhamsted
or
something
and
you
know,
lots
of
people
from
Blackburn
as
well,
but
it
was
there
was
more
of
a
it
was
just
ordinary
kids
at the
beginning
and
it
became
a
lot
harder
later
on
and
we
were
told
and
again,
I
don’t
know
how
much
of it’s
true
because
we
were
getting
the
police
briefing
and
sometimes
you
know
in
hindsight
you
realise
you
were
being
told
one
thing
and
it
wasn’t
necessarily
true
but
I
don’t
know
if
they
actually
knew
it
wasn’t
true
or
that
was
the
belief
at
the
time
but
we
were
told
at
the
beginning
it
was
more
sort
of
party
organisers
were
people
who
had
a
bit
of
money
and
could
set it up
and
wanted
to
create
a
party
and
a
scene
and
everything
and
later
on
because
the
criminal
gangs
were
figuring
out
there’s
a
lot
of
money
to
be
made
there
was
a
sort
of
slightly
darker
element
moving
into
it
and
so
that
sort
of
tied
in
it
would
have
made
sense
whether
that
was
true
or
not
I
don’t
know
but
it
did
it
did
get
a
real
edge
later
on
and
you
were
you
knew
that
you
were
not
going
to
get
home
without
actually
being
attacked.
And
so
it
was
a
very
different
thing
again.
I
sort
of…
I
think
it
depends
on
how
how
you
do
it
sometimes
you
know
people
would
just
they
would
attack
me
before
you’d
done
anything
so
they
definitely
come
for
a
go
and
you
know
once
we
were
on
the
slipway at
Charnock
Richard
Services
and
they’d
come prepared
they’d
brought
loads
of
rockets
and
fireworks
and
there’s
just
this
barrage
of
stuff
came
in,
you
know,
and
some
of
it
you
you
didn’t
mind
but
it
was
I
there
were
times
I
was
genuinely
scared
later
on
whereas
in
the
beginning
I
would
have
happily
walked
through
all
the
crowds
and
chatted
and
done
everything
we
did
that
many
times
even
bizarrely
…
you
know,
you’d
be
chasing
people
around
Blackburn
town
centre
for
no
apparent
reason.
I
have
to
say
just
trying
to
disperse
them
and
keep
them
away
from
the
venue
but
they’d
eventually
stop
and
chat
and
it
was
nice
when
it
was
like
that
and
yeah,
it
definitely
got
a
lot
harder
and
a
lot
more
intense
and
they
say
you do…
I
know
there
was
one
guy
set
up
a
party
because
I
found
out
who
he
was
later
and
he
was
like,
he
was
quite
a
heavy
guy
actually
ended
up
going
away
for
murder.
So
you
know
that
would
sort
of
lend
creedence
that
there
was
that
going
on,
but
I
don’t
know
it’s
only
what
you’re
told
and
I
got
a
very
obviously
one-sided
view
of
it
so
Yeah,
I
think
a
lot
of
this
comes
into
the
fact
that
those
parties
seemed
to
be
such a
melting
pot
of
people.
So
it
was
people
from
every
type
of
background
with
different
music
tastes
who
came
and
became
a part of this
new
style
of
music
that
the
things
that
were
going
on
there
but
definitely
people
with
really
different
attitudes
about
why
they
were
there
and
whether
it
was
with
good
intentions
or
whether
they were
up
for
things.
So
then
the
last
question
I’m
going
to
ask
you
is
we’ve
asked
everybody
and
we’ve
positioned
this
archive
as
something
that
people
can
see,
you
know
in a 100
years
time
when
they’re
looking
back
and
trying
to
understand
…
working-class
stories
and
the
things
that
happened
in
Blackburn
and
if
there’s
any
message
or
something
that
you
would
like
people
to
know
about
this
era
…
in
a
hundred
years
time,
what’d
you
say?
I
actually
feel
very
privileged
to
have
had…
to
have
been
there
to
witness
it.
I
feel
I
probably
wasn’t
on
the
right
side
of
it,
but
given
that
that
was
the
case
…
I
don’t
think
I
got
anyone
in
any
trouble
that
didn’t
deserve
it.
It’s
like
and
you
know,
like
I
say
mostly
it
was
an
overview
But
yeah,
I
feel…
I
think
it’s
one
of
the
things…
I
feel it’s
really
a
shame
now…
is
that
I
think
kids
today
really…
really
could
use
something
like
Acid
House.
I
think
that
bringing
everyone
together.
It
was
like
that
generation
got
their
version
of
the
60s
and
it
was
an
amazing
time
to
be
out
and
there
was
a
real
sense
of
excitement
and
I
sort
of
I
said
I
wasn’t
on
the
side
where
all
the
fun
was
but
I
still
got
that
energy
from
it.
It
still
felt
as
you
sort
of
get
close
to
a
venue
and
you
see
the
lights
and
then
you
sort
of
feel
the
bass
and
it
was
just…
it
was
really
quite
intoxicating
and
it
was
why
I
felt
sort
of
disappointed
at
how
it
went
ended.
I
think
it
was
a
wonderful
time.
I
really
did
feel
at
the
time
that
I
was
witnessing
something
special.
I
thought
it
might
last
a
little
bit
longer
than
it
did
it
but
given
what
everyone
had
to
put
up
with
I’m
not
surprised
it
sort
of
moved
indoors
and
legal
but
yeah
it
was…
it
was
a
very
exciting
time
and
I
think
it
made
me…
I
noticed
at
the
end
of
the
diary
where
I
put
some
of
these
things
that
my
New
Year’s
resolution
was
to
stop
working
for
the
police
so
I
definitely
felt the need
to
get
out
and
have
more
of
an
exciting
life
like
these
kids
Stuart Bad Memories
Click to play
It’s
yeah
it’s
really
interesting
because
…
you’ve
provided
some
really
really
Illuminating
notes
that
you
wrote
after
each
event
and
…
yes
diary
that
have
provided
all
these
details
and
evidence
anecdotes
and
stories
that
have
been
told
in
the
interviews
that
we
already
have
and
put
timestamps
and
dates
on
them
so
it’s
really
fantastic
to
read
and
we’ll
publish
these
your
interview
and
one
thing
I
noticed
was
the
the
first
first
the
first
party
you
talked
about
is
in
1989
and
you
say
all
very
good-natured
and
there’s
so
many
people
but
no
one’s
causing
any
trouble
whatsoever
and
it
seems
like
the
criminality
and
the
violence
is
not
really
anything
at
all
and
then
as
as
the
stories
go
on
we
get
to
kind
of
the
last
couple
where
a
brick’s
you’re
hit
…
in
the
side
of
the
your
camera’s
broken
because
you’ve
been
hit
yes
yeah
like
numerous
stories
about
people
throwing
bricks
and
the
violence
seems
quite
intense
did
you
see
a
buildup
was
that
the
kind
of
trajectory
that
happened
over
the
period
that
you’re
working
on
these?
Yeah
I
think
so
It’s
like
okay
so
I
figured
some
of
the
lads
because
we were
involved
in
like
photographing
football
violence
so
a
lot
of
the
lads
from
that
knew
who
we
were
and
once
they’d
seen
us
turning
up
I
think
they
…
you
know,
they
didn’t
get
a
good
run
at
us
at
the
football
because
it’s
daylight
like
there’s
you
know
fairly
low
numbers
of
them
and
I
think
they
saw
that
as
an
opportunity
I
also
think
people’s
attitudes
did
harden
and
the
parties
became
smaller
but
the
people
that
were
going
to
them
seemed
more
hardcore
and
they
weren’t
prepared
to
be
pushed
around
whereas
at
the
beginning
it
was
a
lot
of
middle-class
kids
who’d
borrowed
Daddy’s
Audi
and
driven
up
from
sort
of
Berkhamsted
or
something
and
you
know
lots
of
people
from
Blackburn
as
well
but
it
was
there
was
more
of
a
it
was
just
ordinary
kids
at
the
beginning
and
it
became
a
lot
harder
later
on
and
we
were
told
and
again
I
don’t
know
how
much
of
its
1
because
we
were
getting
the
police
briefing
and
sometimes
you
know
in
hindsight
you
realise
you
were
being
told
one
thing
and
it
wasn’t
necessarily
true,
but
I
don’t
know
if
they
actually
knew
it
wasn’t
1
or
that
was
the
belief
at
the
time
but
we
were
told
at
the
beginning
it
was
more
sort
of
party
organisers
were
people
who
had
a
bit
of
money
and
could
set it
up and
wanted
to
create
a
party
and
a
scene
and
everything
and
later
on
because
the
criminal
gangs
were
figuring
out
there’s
a
lot
of
money
to
be
made
there
was
a
sort
of
slightly
darker
element
moving
into
it
and
so
that
sort
of
tied
in
it
would
have
made
sense
whether
that
was
1
or
not
I
don’t
know
but
it
did
it
did
get
a
real
edge
later
on
and
you
were
you
knew
you
were
not
going
to
get
home
without
actually
being
attacked
and
so
it
was
a
very
different
thing
again
I
sort
of
I
think
it
depends
on
how
how
you
do
it
sometimes
you
know
people
would
just
they
would
attack
you
before
you’d
done
anything
so
they’d
definitely
come
for
a
go
and
you
know,
once
we
were
on
the
slipway at
Charnock
Richard
services
and
they’d come
prepared
they
brought
loads
of
rockets
and
fireworks
and
there’s
just
this
barrage
of
stuff
came
in
you
know
and
some
of
it
you
you
didn’t
mind
but
it
was
I
there
were
times
I
was
genuinely
scared
later
on
whereas
in
the
beginning
I
would
have
happily
walked
through
all
the
crowds
and
chatted
and
done
everything
we did
that
many
times
even
bizarrely
…
you
know
you’d
be
chasing
people
around
Blackburn
Town
Centre
for
no
apparent
reason
I
have
to
say
just
trying
to
disperse
them
and
keep
them
away
from
the
venue
but
they’d
…
eventually
stop
and
chat
and
it
was
nice
when
it
was
like
that
and
yeah
it’s
definitely
got
a
lot
harder
and
a
lot
more
intense
and
they
say
you
do
I
know
there
was
one
guy
set
of
a
party
because
I
found
out
who
he
was
later
and
he
was
like,
he
was
quite
a
heavy
guy
he
actually
ended up
going
away
for
murder
So
you
know
…
that
would
sort
of
lend
credence
that
there
was
that
going
on
but
I
don’t
know
It’s
only
what
you’re
told
and
I
got
a
very
obviously
one-sided
view
of
it
so
Yeah,
I
think
a
lot
of
this
comes
into
the
fact
that
those
parties
seem
to
be a
melting
pot
of
people
so
it
was
people
from
every
type
of
background
with
different
music
tastes
who
came
and
became
this
new
style
of
music
that
the
things
that
were
going
on
there
but
definitely
people
with
really
different
attitudes
about
why
they
were
there
and
whether
it
was
with
good
intentions
or
whether
they’re
up
from
Full Transcript:
It’s
yeah
it’s
really
interesting
because
…
you’ve
provided
some
really
really
Illuminating
notes
that
you
wrote
after
each
event
and
…
yes
diary
that
have
provided
all
these
details
and
evidence
anecdotes
and
stories
that
have
been
told
in
the
interviews
that
we
already
have
and
put
timestamps
and
dates
on
them
so
it’s
really
fantastic
to
read
and
we’ll
publish
these
your
interview
and
one
thing
I
noticed
was
the
the
first
first
the
first
party
you
talked
about
is
in
1989
and
you
say
all
very
good-natured
and
there’s
so
many
people
but
no
one’s
causing
any
trouble
whatsoever
and
it
seems
like
the
criminality
and
the
violence
is
not
really
anything
at
all
and
then
as
as
the
stories
go
on
we
get
to
kind
of
the
last
couple
where
a
brick’s
you’re
hit
…
in
the
side
of
the
your
camera’s
broken
because
you’ve
been
hit
yes
yeah
like
numerous
stories
about
people
throwing
bricks
and
the
violence
seems
quite
intense
did
you
see
a
buildup
was
that
the
kind
of
trajectory
that
happened
over
the
period
that
you’re
working
on
these?
Yeah
I
think
so
It’s
like
okay
so
I
figured
some
of
the
lads
because
we were
involved
in
like
photographing
football
violence
so
a
lot
of
the
lads
from
that
knew
who
we
were
and
once
they’d
seen
us
turning
up
I
think
they
…
you
know,
they
didn’t
get
a
good
run
at
us
at
the
football
because
it’s
daylight
like
there’s
you
know
fairly
low
numbers
of
them
and
I
think
they
saw
that
as
an
opportunity
I
also
think
people’s
attitudes
did
harden
and
the
parties
became
smaller
but
the
people
that
were
going
to
them
seemed
more
hardcore
and
they
weren’t
prepared
to
be
pushed
around
whereas
at
the
beginning
it
was
a
lot
of
middle-class
kids
who’d
borrowed
Daddy’s
Audi
and
driven
up
from
sort
of
Berkhamsted
or
something
and
you
know
lots
of
people
from
Blackburn
as
well
but
it
was
there
was
more
of
a
it
was
just
ordinary
kids
at
the
beginning
and
it
became
a
lot
harder
later
on
and
we
were
told
and
again
I
don’t
know
how
much
of
its
1
because
we
were
getting
the
police
briefing
and
sometimes
you
know
in
hindsight
you
realise
you
were
being
told
one
thing
and
it
wasn’t
necessarily
true,
but
I
don’t
know
if
they
actually
knew
it
wasn’t
1
or
that
was
the
belief
at
the
time
but
we
were
told
at
the
beginning
it
was
more
sort
of
party
organisers
were
people
who
had
a
bit
of
money
and
could
set it
up and
wanted
to
create
a
party
and
a
scene
and
everything
and
later
on
because
the
criminal
gangs
were
figuring
out
there’s
a
lot
of
money
to
be
made
there
was
a
sort
of
slightly
darker
element
moving
into
it
and
so
that
sort
of
tied
in
it
would
have
made
sense
whether
that
was
1
or
not
I
don’t
know
but
it
did
it
did
get
a
real
edge
later
on
and
you
were
you
knew
you
were
not
going
to
get
home
without
actually
being
attacked
and
so
it
was
a
very
different
thing
again
I
sort
of
I
think
it
depends
on
how
how
you
do
it
sometimes
you
know
people
would
just
they
would
attack
you
before
you’d
done
anything
so
they’d
definitely
come
for
a
go
and
you
know,
once
we
were
on
the
slipway at
Charnock
Richard
services
and
they’d come
prepared
they
brought
loads
of
rockets
and
fireworks
and
there’s
just
this
barrage
of
stuff
came
in
you
know
and
some
of
it
you
you
didn’t
mind
but
it
was
I
there
were
times
I
was
genuinely
scared
later
on
whereas
in
the
beginning
I
would
have
happily
walked
through
all
the
crowds
and
chatted
and
done
everything
we did
that
many
times
even
bizarrely
…
you
know
you’d
be
chasing
people
around
Blackburn
Town
Centre
for
no
apparent
reason
I
have
to
say
just
trying
to
disperse
them
and
keep
them
away
from
the
venue
but
they’d
…
eventually
stop
and
chat
and
it
was
nice
when
it
was
like
that
and
yeah
it’s
definitely
got
a
lot
harder
and
a
lot
more
intense
and
they
say
you
do
I
know
there
was
one
guy
set
of
a
party
because
I
found
out
who
he
was
later
and
he
was
like,
he
was
quite
a
heavy
guy
he
actually
ended up
going
away
for
murder
So
you
know
…
that
would
sort
of
lend
credence
that
there
was
that
going
on
but
I
don’t
know
It’s
only
what
you’re
told
and
I
got
a
very
obviously
one-sided
view
of
it
so
Yeah,
I
think
a
lot
of
this
comes
into
the
fact
that
those
parties
seem
to
be a
melting
pot
of
people
so
it
was
people
from
every
type
of
background
with
different
music
tastes
who
came
and
became
this
new
style
of
music
that
the
things
that
were
going
on
there
but
definitely
people
with
really
different
attitudes
about
why
they
were
there
and
whether
it
was
with
good
intentions
or
whether
they’re
up
from
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…
talk
to
me
about
the
relationship
between
the
police
and
the
people
delivering
the
parties
or
attending
the
parties
was
it
as
fractious
as
it
may
come across
or
what
was
the
communication
like
I
think
it
changed
I
mean
when
I
first
started
doing
it
I
think
I
came
in
quite
the
it had
already
been
going
on
for
a
while
and
they
weren’t
sure
what
to
do
but
when
I
started
there
were
like
thousands
of
people
turning
up
I
mean
thousands
of
cars
even
…
and
they
were
sort
of
ordinary
kids
and
you
know
the
worst
things
you’d
see
would
be
a
few
…
traffic
violations
and
some
dodgy
parking
and
obviously
trespassing
…
and
things
like
that
but
they
weren’t
major
issues
and
like
I
said
on
the
first
party
I
did
we
the
police
set
up
a
roadblock
and
it
was
deemed
to
be
illegal
and
the
organisers
had
a
lawyer
who
told
the
police
you
can’t
have
this
roadblock
and
the
police
admitted
you’re
right
fair
enough
and
they
took
it
down
and
we
all
sort
of
stood
down
and
let
the
party
happen
and
I
know
me
and
my
minder
spent
most
of
the
evening
showing
people
how
to
get
to
the
party
so
there
was
a
sort
of
like
well
we
lost
it
was
fair
and
square
and
there
was
no
animosity
and
it
was
sort
of
quite
good
natured
and
like
I
said
we
chatted to a
lot
of
people
because
at
that
stage
I
didn’t
really
know
what
it
was
so
I
was
asking
a
lot
of
questions
some
answered
and
then
some
thought
it
was
like
I
was
going
to
write
it
all
down
and
prosecute
which
it
wasn’t
I
was
just
curious
so
at
that
point
it
was
pretty
pretty
laid-back
I
would
say
they
would
you
know
the
police
say
some
of
the
older
ones
still
saw
it
as
quite
intimidating
the
fact
the
weight
of
numbers
of
people
and
the
fact
that
people
weren’t
obeying the law
all
the
time
there
were
a lot
of
traffic
violations
well
mostly
younger
ones
didn’t
seem
to
worry
about
it
and
It
felt
more
like
you’re
part
of
it
I
have
to
say
the
first
few
that
I
did
I
actually
really
enjoyed
because
you
know
you
could
hear
the
music
you
could
see
the
lights
you
have
a
sense
you’re
at
something
and
it
was
something
that
was
unfamiliar
to
me
so
I
enjoyed
that
but
what
you
found
is
as
we
became
police
tactics
were
sort
of
changed
I
believe
to
become
more
disruptive
so
that
it
wasn’t
worth
partygoers
turning
out
they
were
going
to
have
a
crap
evening
and
it
would
just
be
too
much
hassle
they
would
probably
go
to
another
County
which
I
think at
that
stage
Lancashire
would’ve
settled
with
and
then
there
was
sort
of
slightly
more
confrontations
we’re
breaking
up
convoys
there
were
more
stop
and
searches
…
on
vehicles
just
to
be
a
nuisance
also
looking
for
drugs
but
the
idea
primarily
was
to
just
make
it
so
that
you
are
not
left
alone
and
that
changed
the
atmosphere
it
made
people
I
feel
a
lot
of
time
with
police
work
what
you
see
is
it
might
be
well
intentioned
…
but
it
actually
galvanises
the
people
that
you
were
sort
of
looking
at
to
begin
with
and
they
have
to
become
more
organised
and
they
also
have
to
stand
up
for
themselves
more
and
what
we
found
out
later
on
that
I
think
also
the
fact
that
they
knew
that there
was
going
to
be
police
presence
became
attractive
to
certain
groups
of
people
so
you
had
your
football
casuals
that
we’d be
photographing
on
a
Saturday
or
a
Tuesday
evening
or
whatever
suddenly
realise
they
could
have
a
go
at
the
same
people
with
sort
of
more
of
a
crowd
to
hide
themselves
in
and
so
as
it
progressed
I
found
I
don’t
think
I
think
sadly
the
units
I
was
with
they
didn’t
really
become
any
more
aggressive
or
less
tolerant
but
we
were
more
wary
and
that
sort
of
sense
of
fun
and
enjoying
it
went
a
little
bit
and
it
became
quite
there
were
times
you
were
heavily
outnumbered
and
the
mood
wasn’t
good
…
now
people
saw
you
as
the
enemy
whereas
at
the
beginning
it
was
sort
of
like
cat
and mouse
and
it
was
almost
like
you’re
part
of
the
game.
It
was
you
know
I
always
felt
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
quite
fun
about
it
is
if
you
got
to
the
party
and
you’d
beaten
us
it
was
like
a
double
win
but
in
the
end
we
were
quite
it
was
we
were
spoiling
more
than
we’re
actually
getting
to
take
place
and
also
you
know
you
would
see
some
weird
things
happen.
I
mean,
I
remember
one
they
tried
to
do
a
drugs
they
found
a
guy
who
was
one
of
the
organisers
that
one
of
them
had
like
about
half
a
kilo
of
white
powder
in
a
bag
and
they
thought
they’d
hit
Pay
Dirt.
It’s
like
yeah
you
know
this
is
a
big
drugs
bust
and
it
turned
out
to
be
something
like
baking
soda
so
they
tried
to
bring
a
charge
of
fraud
against
him
(laugh)
like
the
fact
that
he
was
selling
something
as
you
know,
as
a
drug
that wasn’t
a
drug
and obviously
didn’t
work,
but
there
was
a
sort
of
a
sense
of
desperation
came
in
I
think
with
the
bosses
later
because
they
couldn’t
really
stop
it
and
it
was
a
shame
it
went
from
sort
of
like
that
I
quite
enjoyed
it
and
I
enjoyed
it
but
it
sort
of
felt
like
an
event
to
actually
feeling
like
you
were
the
baddies
and
again
I
have
to
say
the
lads
I
worked
with
we
got
really
battered
one
evening
I
had
all
my
equipment
broke
and
a
policeman
had
a
heart
attack
and
died
and
there was
a
Major
Police
station
was
stormed.
It
was
pretty
horrific
And
at
the
end
of
it
we
cornered
a
group
of
kids
who
were
going
to
the
party
who’d
been
causing
all
this
trouble
and
they
were
just
told
to
go
home
and
I
really
thought
at
that
time
I
was
going
to
witness
the
first
bit
of
police
brutality
I’ve
ever
seen
because
I’d
been
frightened
all
night
and
someone
had
died
and
I
thought
they
were
just
going
to
go
wading
in
with
the
batons
and
they
just
sent them
home
so
although
the
dynamic
changed
I
think
the
lads
I
worked
with
certainly
were more
professional
but
they
were
trained
they
were
the
riot
police.
Whereas
I
think
some
of
the
Bobbies
on
the
beat
I
think
a
few
of
them
were
beginning
to lose
their
patience
so
yeah,
it
changed
it
changed
from
being
something
we’re
all
in
together
to
quite
binary
opposition.
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…
talk
to
me
about
the
relationship
between
the
police
and
the
people
delivering
the
parties
or
attending
the
parties
was
it
as
fractious
as
it
may
come across
or
what
was
the
communication
like
I
think
it
changed
I
mean
when
I
first
started
doing
it
I
think
I
came
in
quite
the
it had
already
been
going
on
for
a
while
and
they
weren’t
sure
what
to
do
but
when
I
started
there
were
like
thousands
of
people
turning
up
I
mean
thousands
of
cars
even
…
and
they
were
sort
of
ordinary
kids
and
you
know
the
worst
things
you’d
see
would
be
a
few
…
traffic
violations
and
some
dodgy
parking
and
obviously
trespassing
…
and
things
like
that
but
they
weren’t
major
issues
and
like
I
said
on
the
first
party
I
did
we
the
police
set
up
a
roadblock
and
it
was
deemed
to
be
illegal
and
the
organisers
had
a
lawyer
who
told
the
police
you
can’t
have
this
roadblock
and
the
police
admitted
you’re
right
fair
enough
and
they
took
it
down
and
we
all
sort
of
stood
down
and
let
the
party
happen
and
I
know
me
and
my
minder
spent
most
of
the
evening
showing
people
how
to
get
to
the
party
so
there
was
a
sort
of
like
well
we
lost
it
was
fair
and
square
and
there
was
no
animosity
and
it
was
sort
of
quite
good
natured
and
like
I
said
we
chatted to a
lot
of
people
because
at
that
stage
I
didn’t
really
know
what
it
was
so
I
was
asking
a
lot
of
questions
some
answered
and
then
some
thought
it
was
like
I
was
going
to
write
it
all
down
and
prosecute
which
it
wasn’t
I
was
just
curious
so
at
that
point
it
was
pretty
pretty
laid-back
I
would
say
they
would
you
know
the
police
say
some
of
the
older
ones
still
saw
it
as
quite
intimidating
the
fact
the
weight
of
numbers
of
people
and
the
fact
that
people
weren’t
obeying the law
all
the
time
there
were
a lot
of
traffic
violations
well
mostly
younger
ones
didn’t
seem
to
worry
about
it
and
It
felt
more
like
you’re
part
of
it
I
have
to
say
the
first
few
that
I
did
I
actually
really
enjoyed
because
you
know
you
could
hear
the
music
you
could
see
the
lights
you
have
a
sense
you’re
at
something
and
it
was
something
that
was
unfamiliar
to
me
so
I
enjoyed
that
but
what
you
found
is
as
we
became
police
tactics
were
sort
of
changed
I
believe
to
become
more
disruptive
so
that
it
wasn’t
worth
partygoers
turning
out
they
were
going
to
have
a
crap
evening
and
it
would
just
be
too
much
hassle
they
would
probably
go
to
another
County
which
I
think at
that
stage
Lancashire
would’ve
settled
with
and
then
there
was
sort
of
slightly
more
confrontations
we’re
breaking
up
convoys
there
were
more
stop
and
searches
…
on
vehicles
just
to
be
a
nuisance
also
looking
for
drugs
but
the
idea
primarily
was
to
just
make
it
so
that
you
are
not
left
alone
and
that
changed
the
atmosphere
it
made
people
I
feel
a
lot
of
time
with
police
work
what
you
see
is
it
might
be
well
intentioned
…
but
it
actually
galvanises
the
people
that
you
were
sort
of
looking
at
to
begin
with
and
they
have
to
become
more
organised
and
they
also
have
to
stand
up
for
themselves
more
and
what
we
found
out
later
on
that
I
think
also
the
fact
that
they
knew
that there
was
going
to
be
police
presence
became
attractive
to
certain
groups
of
people
so
you
had
your
football
casuals
that
we’d be
photographing
on
a
Saturday
or
a
Tuesday
evening
or
whatever
suddenly
realise
they
could
have
a
go
at
the
same
people
with
sort
of
more
of
a
crowd
to
hide
themselves
in
and
so
as
it
progressed
I
found
I
don’t
think
I
think
sadly
the
units
I
was
with
they
didn’t
really
become
any
more
aggressive
or
less
tolerant
but
we
were
more
wary
and
that
sort
of
sense
of
fun
and
enjoying
it
went
a
little
bit
and
it
became
quite
there
were
times
you
were
heavily
outnumbered
and
the
mood
wasn’t
good
…
now
people
saw
you
as
the
enemy
whereas
at
the
beginning
it
was
sort
of
like
cat
and mouse
and
it
was
almost
like
you’re
part
of
the
game.
It
was
you
know
I
always
felt
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
quite
fun
about
it
is
if
you
got
to
the
party
and
you’d
beaten
us
it
was
like
a
double
win
but
in
the
end
we
were
quite
it
was
we
were
spoiling
more
than
we’re
actually
getting
to
take
place
and
also
you
know
you
would
see
some
weird
things
happen.
I
mean,
I
remember
one
they
tried
to
do
a
drugs
they
found
a
guy
who
was
one
of
the
organisers
that
one
of
them
had
like
about
half
a
kilo
of
white
powder
in
a
bag
and
they
thought
they’d
hit
Pay
Dirt.
It’s
like
yeah
you
know
this
is
a
big
drugs
bust
and
it
turned
out
to
be
something
like
baking
soda
so
they
tried
to
bring
a
charge
of
fraud
against
him
(laugh)
like
the
fact
that
he
was
selling
something
as
you
know,
as
a
drug
that wasn’t
a
drug
and obviously
didn’t
work,
but
there
was
a
sort
of
a
sense
of
desperation
came
in
I
think
with
the
bosses
later
because
they
couldn’t
really
stop
it
and
it
was
a
shame
it
went
from
sort
of
like
that
I
quite
enjoyed
it
and
I
enjoyed
it
but
it
sort
of
felt
like
an
event
to
actually
feeling
like
you
were
the
baddies
and
again
I
have
to
say
the
lads
I
worked
with
we
got
really
battered
one
evening
I
had
all
my
equipment
broke
and
a
policeman
had
a
heart
attack
and
died
and
there was
a
Major
Police
station
was
stormed.
It
was
pretty
horrific
And
at
the
end
of
it
we
cornered
a
group
of
kids
who
were
going
to
the
party
who’d
been
causing
all
this
trouble
and
they
were
just
told
to
go
home
and
I
really
thought
at
that
time
I
was
going
to
witness
the
first
bit
of
police
brutality
I’ve
ever
seen
because
I’d
been
frightened
all
night
and
someone
had
died
and
I
thought
they
were
just
going
to
go
wading
in
with
the
batons
and
they
just
sent them
home
so
although
the
dynamic
changed
I
think
the
lads
I
worked
with
certainly
were more
professional
but
they
were
trained
they
were
the
riot
police.
Whereas
I
think
some
of
the
Bobbies
on
the
beat
I
think
a
few
of
them
were
beginning
to lose
their
patience
so
yeah,
it
changed
it
changed
from
being
something
we’re
all
in
together
to
quite
binary
opposition.
Stuart Getting Involved Part 3
Click to play
Just
looking
at
that
time
you
were
Twenty Four
years
old
presumably
would
go
out
and
enjoy
yourself
as
well
what
was
your
kind
of
feeling
When
how
did
you
feel
about
the
environment
and
the
things
that
were
going
on
did
you
ever
have to
use
your
own
judgment
about
it
what
did
it
feel
like
to
be
around
it
yeah
it
was
the
thing
is
I
was
missing
out
on
everything
because
I
got
married
when
I
was
Twenty
and
I
had
a
house
and
I
had
all
those
sort
of
responsibilities
and
so
I
was
sort
of
quite
jealous
if
I’m
honest
I
was
like
I
didn’t
I’d
never
heard of it
before
I
started
I
sort of
heard
of
it
in
the
press
but
I
could
never
figure
out
how
everyone
knew
what
was
going
on
and it
made
me
feel
totally
out
of
the
loop
really
it
was
like
I
just
obviously
was
missing
out
on this
but it
wasn’t
really
my
type
of
music
I
didn’t
I
didn’t
hate
it
I
didn’t
have
sort
of
any
real
prejudice
against
it
I
was
amazed
at
how
popular
it
was
but
I
was
sort
of
more
into
like
Velvet
Underground
…
and
that
sort
of
more
heroin
based
rock
you
know
so
it’s
all
guitars
and
and
this
was
I
was
a
little
bit
behind
the
times
so
I
did
feel
though
that
sort
of
like I
say
jealous
more
than
anything
because
you could
see
something
was
happening
and
and
yet
my
life
was
like
a
middle-aged
man
you
know
I
was
I
was
old
before
my
time
and
it
was
a
shame
but
it’s
also
why
you
said
how
I
felt
about
it
yes
going
and
spoiling
everyone’s
fun
that
was
sort
of
around
my
age
and
doing
it
but
there
was
an
element
of
that
but
when
when
we
started
the
job
really
it
was
for
public
order
so
I
hadn’t
really
considered
I
was
just
glad
to
get
out
of
the
darkroom
to
be
honest
I
got
the
opportunity
to
do
it
and
it
was
so
exciting
and
I
also
figured
someone
was
going
to
do
it
anyway
it
might
as
well
be
me
and
although
you
still
had
to
do
that
job
you
still
there
was
a
degree
of
agency
so
for
example
just
this
isn’t
quite
Acid
House
Just
an
example.
we
did
the
the
the
the
old
car
and
a
lot
of
animal
rights
protesters
turned
up
and
they
were
provoked
by
all
the
guys
who
are
into
the
hunting
and
had
gone
to
watch
it
and
they
were
spitting
at
the
saboteurs
and
doing
all
this
so
I
ended
up
filming
and
photographing
them
so
you
could
there
was
still
some
agency
you
could
you
could
interpret
what
was
going
on
in
your
own
way
now
the
thing
is
if
you
were
If
there
was
any
actual
violence
or
there
is
a
sort
of
a
public
order
incident
you
really
couldn’t
tell
what
was
happening
it
was
often
dark
you
are
using
a
flash
gun
so
really
you’re
trying
to
focus
get
as
many
pictures
off
as
you
could
but
you
couldn’t
tell
what
you’re
photographing
but
that
meant
that
the
police
had
to
be
aware
of
what
we
were
doing
because
if
they
were
behaving
criminally
themselves
if
they
were
overstepping
the
mark
if
they
were
doing
something
they
shouldn’t
have
done
I
couldn’t
tell
I
would
still
photograph
them
doing
it
and
when
those
photographs
if
they
had
to
go
forward
as
evidence
in
court
the
negatives
had
to
be
submitted
so
you
couldn’t
edit
it
out
…
you
couldn’t
like
hide
these
photos
where
someone
was
hurting
someone
you
know
it
it
had
to
go
in
and
it
meant
there
was a
little
bit
of
hostility
when
we
first
started
doing
it
police
were
quite
worried
that
they
were
going
to
get
in
in
a
lot
of
trouble
and
they
found
really
after
two
or
three
things
it
was
the
other
way
around
it
actually
helped
and
showed
what
was
going
on
…
but
it
did
mean
when
I
was
around
they
behaved
quite
well
because
they
had
to
you
know
they
just
had
to
there’s
the
sense
that
you
were
working
for
both
sides
because
you
were
Illuminating
what
happened
with
the
way
the
police
handled
situations
as
much
as
the
criminal
behavior
that
happened
well
that’s
how
I
justified
it
to
myself
at
the
time
because
I
did
have
you
know
there
are
all
sorts
of
Orwellian
…
…
connotations
of
it
but
at
the
same
time
I
also
knew
how
we
were
handling the
material
and
I
think
from
the
outside
it might’ve
have
looked
very
very
sinister
and
I
understood
that
it
could
do
but
when
you
actually
saw
how
everything
was
collated
and
what
was
done
with
it
you
realize
there
was
no
there
was
no
sort
of
big
master
plan
for
figuring
out
everything
is
I
would
literally
take
these
photographs
and
something
happened
and
it
needed
to
be
shown
to
the
bosses
to
share
what’d
…
gone
on
that
would
happen
but
the
negatives
were
filed
away
in
envelopes
just
a
bag
of
and
you
know
about
ten
films
in
an
envelope
which
would
…
go
in
a
filing
cabinet
and
the
photographs
would
just
again
they’d
just
be
filed
and
they
would
never
be
used
again
so
it
wasn’t
like
it
was
a
big
database
being
built
up
I
think
now
I
would
have
far
more
concerns
with
the
computerisation
of
everything
you
would
be
able
to
log
everything
so
clearly
but
having
seen
I
wouldn’t
say
it
was
just
it
was
very
very
low-tech
and
it
was
really
covering
the
backs
to
begin
with
rather
than
trying
to
do
anything
else
so
I
was ok
with
it
well
I
did
I
was
quite
well-read
…
…
I
was
into
sort-of
counterculture
so
I
wasn’t
going
out
just
with
this
sort
of
right-wing
agenda
to
these
people
are
committing
crimes
let’s
nail
em
let’s
do
that
and
what
I
found
was
quite
good
was
half
the
people
I
worked
with
were
young
policemen
and
they
weren’t
like
that
either
they
were
actually
quite
understanding
a
lot
of
them
would
really
like
the
culture
it
was
the
older
ones
that
tended
to
have
…
more
sort
of
old-fashioned
views
towards
it
and
more
sort
of
that
old
style
of
policing
the
younger
ones
were
a
lot
more
tolerant
and
prepared
to
talk
to
people
rather
than
just
give
orders
and
that
was
something
I
also
did
was
if
people
asked
me
what
I
was
doing
I
always
chatted
because
I
knew
how
it
looked
and
I
knew
I
would
be
annoyed
if
someone
stuck
a
camera
in
my
face
so
I
did
try
some
of
those
people
were
okay
about
it
sometimes
they
weren’t
and
I
understand
why
they
weren’t
but
I
did
always
it
would
never
just be
I
would
always
try
and
sort
of
give
an
account
of
what
we’re
doing
whether
they
believed
me
or
not
I
don’t
know.
Full Transcript:
Just
looking
at
that
time
you
were
Twenty Four
years
old
presumably
would
go
out
and
enjoy
yourself
as
well
what
was
your
kind
of
feeling
When
how
did
you
feel
about
the
environment
and
the
things
that
were
going
on
did
you
ever
have to
use
your
own
judgment
about
it
what
did
it
feel
like
to
be
around
it
yeah
it
was
the
thing
is
I
was
missing
out
on
everything
because
I
got
married
when
I
was
Twenty
and
I
had
a
house
and
I
had
all
those
sort
of
responsibilities
and
so
I
was
sort
of
quite
jealous
if
I’m
honest
I
was
like
I
didn’t
I’d
never
heard of it
before
I
started
I
sort of
heard
of
it
in
the
press
but
I
could
never
figure
out
how
everyone
knew
what
was
going
on
and it
made
me
feel
totally
out
of
the
loop
really
it
was
like
I
just
obviously
was
missing
out
on this
but it
wasn’t
really
my
type
of
music
I
didn’t
I
didn’t
hate
it
I
didn’t
have
sort
of
any
real
prejudice
against
it
I
was
amazed
at
how
popular
it
was
but
I
was
sort
of
more
into
like
Velvet
Underground
…
and
that
sort
of
more
heroin
based
rock
you
know
so
it’s
all
guitars
and
and
this
was
I
was
a
little
bit
behind
the
times
so
I
did
feel
though
that
sort
of
like I
say
jealous
more
than
anything
because
you could
see
something
was
happening
and
and
yet
my
life
was
like
a
middle-aged
man
you
know
I
was
I
was
old
before
my
time
and
it
was
a
shame
but
it’s
also
why
you
said
how
I
felt
about
it
yes
going
and
spoiling
everyone’s
fun
that
was
sort
of
around
my
age
and
doing
it
but
there
was
an
element
of
that
but
when
when
we
started
the
job
really
it
was
for
public
order
so
I
hadn’t
really
considered
I
was
just
glad
to
get
out
of
the
darkroom
to
be
honest
I
got
the
opportunity
to
do
it
and
it
was
so
exciting
and
I
also
figured
someone
was
going
to
do
it
anyway
it
might
as
well
be
me
and
although
you
still
had
to
do
that
job
you
still
there
was
a
degree
of
agency
so
for
example
just
this
isn’t
quite
Acid
House
Just
an
example.
we
did
the
the
the
the
old
car
and
a
lot
of
animal
rights
protesters
turned
up
and
they
were
provoked
by
all
the
guys
who
are
into
the
hunting
and
had
gone
to
watch
it
and
they
were
spitting
at
the
saboteurs
and
doing
all
this
so
I
ended
up
filming
and
photographing
them
so
you
could
there
was
still
some
agency
you
could
you
could
interpret
what
was
going
on
in
your
own
way
now
the
thing
is
if
you
were
If
there
was
any
actual
violence
or
there
is
a
sort
of
a
public
order
incident
you
really
couldn’t
tell
what
was
happening
it
was
often
dark
you
are
using
a
flash
gun
so
really
you’re
trying
to
focus
get
as
many
pictures
off
as
you
could
but
you
couldn’t
tell
what
you’re
photographing
but
that
meant
that
the
police
had
to
be
aware
of
what
we
were
doing
because
if
they
were
behaving
criminally
themselves
if
they
were
overstepping
the
mark
if
they
were
doing
something
they
shouldn’t
have
done
I
couldn’t
tell
I
would
still
photograph
them
doing
it
and
when
those
photographs
if
they
had
to
go
forward
as
evidence
in
court
the
negatives
had
to
be
submitted
so
you
couldn’t
edit
it
out
…
you
couldn’t
like
hide
these
photos
where
someone
was
hurting
someone
you
know
it
it
had
to
go
in
and
it
meant
there
was a
little
bit
of
hostility
when
we
first
started
doing
it
police
were
quite
worried
that
they
were
going
to
get
in
in
a
lot
of
trouble
and
they
found
really
after
two
or
three
things
it
was
the
other
way
around
it
actually
helped
and
showed
what
was
going
on
…
but
it
did
mean
when
I
was
around
they
behaved
quite
well
because
they
had
to
you
know
they
just
had
to
there’s
the
sense
that
you
were
working
for
both
sides
because
you
were
Illuminating
what
happened
with
the
way
the
police
handled
situations
as
much
as
the
criminal
behavior
that
happened
well
that’s
how
I
justified
it
to
myself
at
the
time
because
I
did
have
you
know
there
are
all
sorts
of
Orwellian
…
…
connotations
of
it
but
at
the
same
time
I
also
knew
how
we
were
handling the
material
and
I
think
from
the
outside
it might’ve
have
looked
very
very
sinister
and
I
understood
that
it
could
do
but
when
you
actually
saw
how
everything
was
collated
and
what
was
done
with
it
you
realize
there
was
no
there
was
no
sort
of
big
master
plan
for
figuring
out
everything
is
I
would
literally
take
these
photographs
and
something
happened
and
it
needed
to
be
shown
to
the
bosses
to
share
what’d
…
gone
on
that
would
happen
but
the
negatives
were
filed
away
in
envelopes
just
a
bag
of
and
you
know
about
ten
films
in
an
envelope
which
would
…
go
in
a
filing
cabinet
and
the
photographs
would
just
again
they’d
just
be
filed
and
they
would
never
be
used
again
so
it
wasn’t
like
it
was
a
big
database
being
built
up
I
think
now
I
would
have
far
more
concerns
with
the
computerisation
of
everything
you
would
be
able
to
log
everything
so
clearly
but
having
seen
I
wouldn’t
say
it
was
just
it
was
very
very
low-tech
and
it
was
really
covering
the
backs
to
begin
with
rather
than
trying
to
do
anything
else
so
I
was ok
with
it
well
I
did
I
was
quite
well-read
…
…
I
was
into
sort-of
counterculture
so
I
wasn’t
going
out
just
with
this
sort
of
right-wing
agenda
to
these
people
are
committing
crimes
let’s
nail
em
let’s
do
that
and
what
I
found
was
quite
good
was
half
the
people
I
worked
with
were
young
policemen
and
they
weren’t
like
that
either
they
were
actually
quite
understanding
a
lot
of
them
would
really
like
the
culture
it
was
the
older
ones
that
tended
to
have
…
more
sort
of
old-fashioned
views
towards
it
and
more
sort
of
that
old
style
of
policing
the
younger
ones
were
a
lot
more
tolerant
and
prepared
to
talk
to
people
rather
than
just
give
orders
and
that
was
something
I
also
did
was
if
people
asked
me
what
I
was
doing
I
always
chatted
because
I
knew
how
it
looked
and
I
knew
I
would
be
annoyed
if
someone
stuck
a
camera
in
my
face
so
I
did
try
some
of
those
people
were
okay
about
it
sometimes
they
weren’t
and
I
understand
why
they
weren’t
but
I
did
always
it
would
never
just be
I
would
always
try
and
sort
of
give
an
account
of
what
we’re
doing
whether
they
believed
me
or
not
I
don’t
know.
Stuart Getting Involved Part 2
Click to play
how
were
you
involved
in
the
acid
house
era
around
Blackburn
I
got
asked
to
do
some
photography
to
show
the
general
situation
when
we
first
started
from
what
I
understood
the
police
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
dealing
with
and
they
were
having
to
put
in
vast
amounts
of
manpower
and
there
were
a
lot
of
I
think
a
lot
of
senior
officers
questioning
what
was
going
on
and
we
were
asked
if
we
could
turn
up
we’d
helped
them
out
on a
football
job
about
two
months
earlier
where
the
police
had
been
accused
of
sort
of
not
doing
a
good
enough
job
and
our
photographs
had
bailed
them
out
and
they
were
sort
of
very
keen
to
use
us
in
public
order
settings
partly
after
the
Hillsborough
disaster
I
think
they
believed
that
they
would
be
exonerated
if
all
this
was
shown
which
when
you
look
at
what’s
actually
happened
at
the
Hillsborough
disaster
has
proved
not
to
be
the
case
so
we
were
asked
to
go
along
and
the
first
sort
of
the
initial
briefing
…
was
to
get
a
general
overview
of
what
was
happening
so
we
can
show
that
they
wanted
to
show
there
were
like
spotters
sort
of
people
sitting
on
junctions
the
convoys
the
sheer
number
of
people
that
were
turning
up
to
it
so
it
was
just
a
general
thing
which
was
quite
a
nice
project
because
I
was
sort
of
interested
in
photography
from
a
more
artistic
perspective
I
ended
up
working
for
the
police
somebody
I’ve
been
unemployed
for
three
years
when
I
left
school
and
they
just
need
a
printer
and
I
went
from
starting
doing
that
moved
up
moved
up
and
gradually
with
this
type
of
work
they
figured
it
was
easier
to
teach
someone
like
me
how
to
get
out
and
do
the
photography
than
it
was
teach
policemen
how
to
work
a
camera
so
so
that
was
how
it
sort
of
started
and
like
I say
to
begin
with
it
was
quite
good
because
you
were
were
were
sort
of
looking
at
the
bigger
picture
rather
than
just
trying
to
identify
people
get
them
arrested
so
it
was
pretty
enjoyable
to
begin
with
Full Transcript:
how
were
you
involved
in
the
acid
house
era
around
Blackburn
I
got
asked
to
do
some
photography
to
show
the
general
situation
when
we
first
started
from
what
I
understood
the
police
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
dealing
with
and
they
were
having
to
put
in
vast
amounts
of
manpower
and
there
were
a
lot
of
I
think
a
lot
of
senior
officers
questioning
what
was
going
on
and
we
were
asked
if
we
could
turn
up
we’d
helped
them
out
on a
football
job
about
two
months
earlier
where
the
police
had
been
accused
of
sort
of
not
doing
a
good
enough
job
and
our
photographs
had
bailed
them
out
and
they
were
sort
of
very
keen
to
use
us
in
public
order
settings
partly
after
the
Hillsborough
disaster
I
think
they
believed
that
they
would
be
exonerated
if
all
this
was
shown
which
when
you
look
at
what’s
actually
happened
at
the
Hillsborough
disaster
has
proved
not
to
be
the
case
so
we
were
asked
to
go
along
and
the
first
sort
of
the
initial
briefing
…
was
to
get
a
general
overview
of
what
was
happening
so
we
can
show
that
they
wanted
to
show
there
were
like
spotters
sort
of
people
sitting
on
junctions
the
convoys
the
sheer
number
of
people
that
were
turning
up
to
it
so
it
was
just
a
general
thing
which
was
quite
a
nice
project
because
I
was
sort
of
interested
in
photography
from
a
more
artistic
perspective
I
ended
up
working
for
the
police
somebody
I’ve
been
unemployed
for
three
years
when
I
left
school
and
they
just
need
a
printer
and
I
went
from
starting
doing
that
moved
up
moved
up
and
gradually
with
this
type
of
work
they
figured
it
was
easier
to
teach
someone
like
me
how
to
get
out
and
do
the
photography
than
it
was
teach
policemen
how
to
work
a
camera
so
so
that
was
how
it
sort
of
started
and
like
I say
to
begin
with
it
was
quite
good
because
you
were
were
were
sort
of
looking
at
the
bigger
picture
rather
than
just
trying
to
identify
people
get
them
arrested
so
it
was
pretty
enjoyable
to
begin
with
Stuart Getting Involved Part 1
Click to play
So
could
you
talk
me
through
what
an
evening
doing
this
job
would
be
like
and
how
it
would
start
how
you
found
out
about
it
and
what
the
process
would
be
sure.
So
we
usually
meet
up
police
headquarters
or
maybe
a
divisional
headquarters
get
all
the
equipment
we
needed
we
…
sort
of
I
used
to
usually
check
it
all
the
day
before
because
there’s
nothing
worse
than
turning
up
and
something
breaking
…
fairly
early
on
so
you’d
get
all
that
we then
used
to
pack
NATO
Gear
so
that’s
your
riot
helmet
your
flameproof
overalls
all
this
in
case
it
really
kicked
off
was
the
idea
and
then
you
would
go
to
the
briefing
wherever
it
was
and these
really
varied
I
sort
of
found
some
some
of
the
commanders
were
really
good
and
really
on
the
ball
and
some
really
boring
and
really
I
don’t
know
something
to
have
a
very
good
way
of
explaining
it
to
everybody
and
making
sure
everyone
knew
what
they
were
doing
and
others
were
so
vague
it’s
a
little
bit
like
the
government
at
the
moment
it
allowed
people
to
make
mistakes
because
they
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
doing
so
we’d
start
that
we’d
have
the
briefing
and
then
it
would
really
depend
I
was
meant
to
I
was
classed
as
an
evidence
gathering
photographer
that
was
the
actual
title
and
I
was
meant
to
have
a
minder
who
was
a
police
officer
with
a
shield
so
that
I
could
take
photographs
and
if
people
were
throwing
things
he
could
stop
me
getting
hit
in
the
face
that
didn’t
always
work
but
that
was
the
theory
and
also
what
we
found
is
as
this
went
on
because
it
went
on
for
so
many
weeks
they
started
running
out
of
people
who
could
do
the
overtime
and
turn
up
so
after
a
certain
amount
of
time
I
stopped
having
a
minder
and
I
would
just
be
given a driver
or
I
would
be
put
in
a
OSU
vehicle
like
with
about
nine
of
the
cops
but
no
one
was really
looking
out
for
me
so
that
was
a
little
bit
that
wasn’t
really
how
we’d
been
trained
and
it
wasn’t
really
what
should
have
happened
but
it
was
just
the
case
of
needs
must
but
it
led
to
a
few
scary
incidents
so
towards
the
end
of
it
at
the
beginning
I
never
felt
threatened
there
was
no,
you
know,
there’s
nothing
particularly
scary
towards
the
end
there
was
a
lot
more
fighting
and
but
then
so
after
that
we’d
go
out
and
we’d
drive
around
…
there’d
be
known
areas
like
Monroe’s
and
Sett
End
…
there’d
be
places
and
stuff
…
where
you’d
know
people
gather
some
times
they’d
just
go
on
the
motorway
services
to
see
if
they
could
see
the
convoys
and
we’d
just
drive
around
for
a
bit
more
often
than
not
you
end
up
just
watching
actual
people
coming
out
of
the
pubs
fighting
there
was
sort
of
more
to
see
doing
that
to
begin
with
because
nothing
usually
happened
until
sort
of
two
o’clock
at
the
earliest
so
you’d
just
be
killing
time
until
then
and
then
often
you
would
sort
of
it
would
it
change
to
begin
with
we
sort
of
just
observed
and
followed
the
convoys
and
it
was
more
sort
of
like
a
curiosity
…
thing
they
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
dealing
with
and
we’d
drive
around
for
hours
and
hours
and
you
know
they’d
try
and
stop
it
but
often
…
that
wouldn’t
work
at
the
beginning
because
they
weren’t
well
prepared
and
the
organisers
of
the
parties
were
far
better
prepared
so
they
caught
them
off
guard
and
towards
the
end
you
would
sort
of
it
was
became
more
disruptive
the
idea
was
to
actually
spoil
it
for
everybody
so
it
wasn’t
worth
heading
out
on
an
evening
so it
really
varied
and
then
usually
the
frustrating
part
is
you’d
start
work
at
like
nine
or
ten
o’clock
at
night
and
you
really
wouldn’t
do
anything
…
until
six
or
seven
in
the
morning
so
you
just
didn’t
care
often
by
that
point
I
just
wanted
it
to
end
I
didn’t
care
if
anyone
was
hosting a
party
but
that
wasn’t
the
official
line.
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So
could
you
talk
me
through
what
an
evening
doing
this
job
would
be
like
and
how
it
would
start
how
you
found
out
about
it
and
what
the
process
would
be
sure.
So
we
usually
meet
up
police
headquarters
or
maybe
a
divisional
headquarters
get
all
the
equipment
we
needed
we
…
sort
of
I
used
to
usually
check
it
all
the
day
before
because
there’s
nothing
worse
than
turning
up
and
something
breaking
…
fairly
early
on
so
you’d
get
all
that
we then
used
to
pack
NATO
Gear
so
that’s
your
riot
helmet
your
flameproof
overalls
all
this
in
case
it
really
kicked
off
was
the
idea
and
then
you
would
go
to
the
briefing
wherever
it
was
and these
really
varied
I
sort
of
found
some
some
of
the
commanders
were
really
good
and
really
on
the
ball
and
some
really
boring
and
really
I
don’t
know
something
to
have
a
very
good
way
of
explaining
it
to
everybody
and
making
sure
everyone
knew
what
they
were
doing
and
others
were
so
vague
it’s
a
little
bit
like
the
government
at
the
moment
it
allowed
people
to
make
mistakes
because
they
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
doing
so
we’d
start
that
we’d
have
the
briefing
and
then
it
would
really
depend
I
was
meant
to
I
was
classed
as
an
evidence
gathering
photographer
that
was
the
actual
title
and
I
was
meant
to
have
a
minder
who
was
a
police
officer
with
a
shield
so
that
I
could
take
photographs
and
if
people
were
throwing
things
he
could
stop
me
getting
hit
in
the
face
that
didn’t
always
work
but
that
was
the
theory
and
also
what
we
found
is
as
this
went
on
because
it
went
on
for
so
many
weeks
they
started
running
out
of
people
who
could
do
the
overtime
and
turn
up
so
after
a
certain
amount
of
time
I
stopped
having
a
minder
and
I
would
just
be
given a driver
or
I
would
be
put
in
a
OSU
vehicle
like
with
about
nine
of
the
cops
but
no
one
was really
looking
out
for
me
so
that
was
a
little
bit
that
wasn’t
really
how
we’d
been
trained
and
it
wasn’t
really
what
should
have
happened
but
it
was
just
the
case
of
needs
must
but
it
led
to
a
few
scary
incidents
so
towards
the
end
of
it
at
the
beginning
I
never
felt
threatened
there
was
no,
you
know,
there’s
nothing
particularly
scary
towards
the
end
there
was
a
lot
more
fighting
and
but
then
so
after
that
we’d
go
out
and
we’d
drive
around
…
there’d
be
known
areas
like
Monroe’s
and
Sett
End
…
there’d
be
places
and
stuff
…
where
you’d
know
people
gather
some
times
they’d
just
go
on
the
motorway
services
to
see
if
they
could
see
the
convoys
and
we’d
just
drive
around
for
a
bit
more
often
than
not
you
end
up
just
watching
actual
people
coming
out
of
the
pubs
fighting
there
was
sort
of
more
to
see
doing
that
to
begin
with
because
nothing
usually
happened
until
sort
of
two
o’clock
at
the
earliest
so
you’d
just
be
killing
time
until
then
and
then
often
you
would
sort
of
it
would
it
change
to
begin
with
we
sort
of
just
observed
and
followed
the
convoys
and
it
was
more
sort
of
like
a
curiosity
…
thing
they
didn’t
really
know
what
they
were
dealing
with
and
we’d
drive
around
for
hours
and
hours
and
you
know
they’d
try
and
stop
it
but
often
…
that
wouldn’t
work
at
the
beginning
because
they
weren’t
well
prepared
and
the
organisers
of
the
parties
were
far
better
prepared
so
they
caught
them
off
guard
and
towards
the
end
you
would
sort
of
it
was
became
more
disruptive
the
idea
was
to
actually
spoil
it
for
everybody
so
it
wasn’t
worth
heading
out
on
an
evening
so it
really
varied
and
then
usually
the
frustrating
part
is
you’d
start
work
at
like
nine
or
ten
o’clock
at
night
and
you
really
wouldn’t
do
anything
…
until
six
or
seven
in
the
morning
so
you
just
didn’t
care
often
by
that
point
I
just
wanted
it
to
end
I
didn’t
care
if
anyone
was
hosting a
party
but
that
wasn’t
the
official
line.
Suddi Getting Involved
Click to play
My
name
is
so
Suddi Raval
and
I
discovered
house
music
about
1986
coulda
even
a
little
bit
before
that.
I
was
about
15
and
it
was
a
combination
of
my
friends
at
school
getting
into
compilations
stuff
like…
the
FFRR
London
record
series
the
House
sound of
Chicago
and
Stu
Allan
who
used
to
play
House
music
on
the
sold-out
show
initially
and
then
it
was
partly
through
being
into
Electro
a
few
years
before
it
was
kind
of
a
continuation
of
what
the
latest
electronic
music
was.
So
we’re
all
kind
of
wanting
to
be
B-Boys
and
wanting to
break
dance
when
we were
into
Electro
and
then
that was
starting
to
fizzle
a
little
bit
but then
House
music
came
along
and
just
felt
like
the
freshest
most
exciting
thing
in
the
world
when
that
happened.
I
was
going
to
terrible
clubs
like
Rainbows
in
Oldham
and
Shades
in
Stalybridge.
I
bumped
into
someone
in
the
street
called
Kevin
and
he
asked
me…
I
mean
literally
just
a
random
stranger
you
come
up
to
me
because
he
liked
my
jumper.
He
asked
me what kind of
music
I was
into
said
I was
into
House
music
and
we
got
chatting
and
yeah
assumed
that
I
was
going
to
good
clubs
because
of
how
into
music
I
was
and
how
enthusastic
I
…
was
and
I
was
really
surprised
to
find
that
I
didn’t
go
to
the
Blackburn
raves
or
the
Hacienda
and
he
said
to
me
come
with
me,
to
the
Blackburn
raves
the
Hacienda
and
…
a
club
called
the
Park
Hall
in
Chorley
And I…
he
gave
me
his
number
and
I
went
met
him
that
weekend
and
went
to
all
3
of
them
and
it
changed
my
life
beyond
anything
I
could
ever
imagine
and
I
pretty
much
never
missed
another
night
again
if
I
get
out
way.
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My
name
is
so
Suddi Raval
and
I
discovered
house
music
about
1986
coulda
even
a
little
bit
before
that.
I
was
about
15
and
it
was
a
combination
of
my
friends
at
school
getting
into
compilations
stuff
like…
the
FFRR
London
record
series
the
House
sound of
Chicago
and
Stu
Allan
who
used
to
play
House
music
on
the
sold-out
show
initially
and
then
it
was
partly
through
being
into
Electro
a
few
years
before
it
was
kind
of
a
continuation
of
what
the
latest
electronic
music
was.
So
we’re
all
kind
of
wanting
to
be
B-Boys
and
wanting to
break
dance
when
we were
into
Electro
and
then
that was
starting
to
fizzle
a
little
bit
but then
House
music
came
along
and
just
felt
like
the
freshest
most
exciting
thing
in
the
world
when
that
happened.
I
was
going
to
terrible
clubs
like
Rainbows
in
Oldham
and
Shades
in
Stalybridge.
I
bumped
into
someone
in
the
street
called
Kevin
and
he
asked
me…
I
mean
literally
just
a
random
stranger
you
come
up
to
me
because
he
liked
my
jumper.
He
asked
me what kind of
music
I was
into
said
I was
into
House
music
and
we
got
chatting
and
yeah
assumed
that
I
was
going
to
good
clubs
because
of
how
into
music
I
was
and
how
enthusastic
I
…
was
and
I
was
really
surprised
to
find
that
I
didn’t
go
to
the
Blackburn
raves
or
the
Hacienda
and
he
said
to
me
come
with
me,
to
the
Blackburn
raves
the
Hacienda
and
…
a
club
called
the
Park
Hall
in
Chorley
And I…
he
gave
me
his
number
and
I
went
met
him
that
weekend
and
went
to
all
3
of
them
and
it
changed
my
life
beyond
anything
I
could
ever
imagine
and
I
pretty
much
never
missed
another
night
again
if
I
get
out
way.