Click to play
Blackburn
doesn’t
look
like
it
from
the
outside,
to
be
a
very
productive
place,
but
I
find when
you get
to
know
the
people
here,
they’re
real
innovators,
and
they’re
real
creators
as
well.
There’s
a
really
big
group,
a
big
creative
force
in
Blackburn
and
they
have
this,
for
me
they
have
something,
something
quite
rare
in
that
they
don’t
really
care
what
anyone
else
thinks
of
em,
which
is
a
massive
help
in
creativity,
you
know.
They’re
very
creative
and
very
industrious.
And
they’ll
try
anything.
The
parties
were
a
strange
mix
of
all
kinds
of
different
people
from
all
kinds
of
different
backgrounds
and,
one
thing
I
can
say
for
sure
about
this
em.
I
was
certainly
looked
after
and
I
would
have
done
the
same
for
anyone
else
involved.
It
was
like
a
big
family
and
I
don’t
mean
like
a
VIP
club
or
anything
like
that.
It
was
a
big
family
in
that,
I’m
talking
about
everyone
who
went
to
the
parties,
everyone
who’s
involved,
anyone
who
helped.
Nobody
would
ever
look
down
on
anyone
else
really,
you
know,
everyone
was
equal
there
and
everyone
was
a
part
of
it.
Full Transcript:
Blackburn
doesn’t
look
like
it
from
the
outside,
to
be
a
very
productive
place,
but
I
find when
you get
to
know
the
people
here,
they’re
real
innovators,
and
they’re
real
creators
as
well.
There’s
a
really
big
group,
a
big
creative
force
in
Blackburn
and
they
have
this,
for
me
they
have
something,
something
quite
rare
in
that
they
don’t
really
care
what
anyone
else
thinks
of
em,
which
is
a
massive
help
in
creativity,
you
know.
They’re
very
creative
and
very
industrious.
And
they’ll
try
anything.
The
parties
were
a
strange
mix
of
all
kinds
of
different
people
from
all
kinds
of
different
backgrounds
and,
one
thing
I
can
say
for
sure
about
this
em.
I
was
certainly
looked
after
and
I
would
have
done
the
same
for
anyone
else
involved.
It
was
like
a
big
family
and
I
don’t
mean
like
a
VIP
club
or
anything
like
that.
It
was
a
big
family
in
that,
I’m
talking
about
everyone
who
went
to
the
parties,
everyone
who’s
involved,
anyone
who
helped.
Nobody
would
ever
look
down
on
anyone
else
really,
you
know,
everyone
was
equal
there
and
everyone
was
a
part
of
it.
Joe Good Memories Part 3
Click to play
The
music
there,
I
didn’t
really
appreciate
at
first
but
soon,
since,
after,
after
a
few
weeks,
I
started
to
appreciate,
like
all
music,
there’s
some
bits
you
love
…
and
some
bits
you
hate.
…
Well
speaking
for
myself
personally.
And
I’ve
got
to
know
some
really
good
music
and
I
discovered
that,
well,
there
was
outstanding
DJ’s
I
mean
there
was,
there
was
a
number
of
outstanding
DJ’s
who’d
show
up
there,
but
we
had
our
regulars,
Shack,
Kenneth,
Kelly
and
Clam
and
Gilly.
All
these
people
were,
and
Lee
and
a
few
others
who
were
all,
all
brought
this
massive
mixture
of music,
because
there,
there
wasn’t
too
much
what
you’d
call
exactly
house
music.
They were
used
to
mixing
all
kinds
of
stuff.
…
Yeah,
They
did
an
amazing
job.
I’ve
got
to
say.
Full Transcript:
The
music
there,
I
didn’t
really
appreciate
at
first
but
soon,
since,
after,
after
a
few
weeks,
I
started
to
appreciate,
like
all
music,
there’s
some
bits
you
love
…
and
some
bits
you
hate.
…
Well
speaking
for
myself
personally.
And
I’ve
got
to
know
some
really
good
music
and
I
discovered
that,
well,
there
was
outstanding
DJ’s
I
mean
there
was,
there
was
a
number
of
outstanding
DJ’s
who’d
show
up
there,
but
we
had
our
regulars,
Shack,
Kenneth,
Kelly
and
Clam
and
Gilly.
All
these
people
were,
and
Lee
and
a
few
others
who
were
all,
all
brought
this
massive
mixture
of music,
because
there,
there
wasn’t
too
much
what
you’d
call
exactly
house
music.
They were
used
to
mixing
all
kinds
of
stuff.
…
Yeah,
They
did
an
amazing
job.
I’ve
got
to
say.
Joe Good Memories Part 4
Click to play
By
the
end
of
the
parties
in
Blackburn.
…
We
were
actually
building
our own
cabinets
because
we
couldn’t
really
get
any,
couldn’t
really
rent
any
PA’s
anymore.
So
some
of
them
were
built
in
me
Dads
garage,
some
of em
were
built
in
me
backyard at
Whitehead
Street.
And
I
remember
when
I
first
suggested
it,
I
think
apart
from
Tommy
everyone
thought
it
was
a
stupid
idea.
But,
we
kind
of
built
some
anyway
and
it
worked.
They
weren’t
the
best
speaker
cabinets
in
the
world,
but
they
were
disposable.
So
we
just
ended
up
with
these
cabinets
that
were
front
…
front-loaded
speakers
and
they
were
held
in
with
wing
nuts
so
that
you
could
just
take
the
speaker
out
and
just
kind
of
smuggle
it
out
as
a
party
was
dying
down.
And
that’s
how
we
kept
it
going
really.
Of
course
I’m
talking
about
the
sound
equipment
side
of
things
obviously.
Because
that’s,
because
that’s
the
only
bit
I
know
about.
Full Transcript:
By
the
end
of
the
parties
in
Blackburn.
…
We
were
actually
building
our own
cabinets
because
we
couldn’t
really
get
any,
couldn’t
really
rent
any
PA’s
anymore.
So
some
of
them
were
built
in
me
Dads
garage,
some
of em
were
built
in
me
backyard at
Whitehead
Street.
And
I
remember
when
I
first
suggested
it,
I
think
apart
from
Tommy
everyone
thought
it
was
a
stupid
idea.
But,
we
kind
of
built
some
anyway
and
it
worked.
They
weren’t
the
best
speaker
cabinets
in
the
world,
but
they
were
disposable.
So
we
just
ended
up
with
these
cabinets
that
were
front
…
front-loaded
speakers
and
they
were
held
in
with
wing
nuts
so
that
you
could
just
take
the
speaker
out
and
just
kind
of
smuggle
it
out
as
a
party
was
dying
down.
And
that’s
how
we
kept
it
going
really.
Of
course
I’m
talking
about
the
sound
equipment
side
of
things
obviously.
Because
that’s,
because
that’s
the
only
bit
I
know
about.
Joe Life Afterwards
Click to play
After
the
parties
had
finished
…
I’m
afraid
I
hung
around
too
long
thinking
that
something
else
like
it
would come
along
and,
I ended
up
doing
the,
some
of
the
Revenge
parties
from
the,
from
the
guys
from
Wigan
and,
basically
we
carried
on
renting
out
PA’s
to
clubs
and
things
like
that.
But
there
was,
there
was
yeah,
it
wasn’t
really
the
same
thing
for
me
anyway,
and
I
ended
up
moving
away
and
eventually
me
and
Jules
both
moved
to
Portugal
…
where
we
returned
to
building
studios
and
I
got
into
the
recording
side
of
things.
And
yeah,
I’ve
been
making
records
for
30
years
really.
10
years
ago,
I
got
a
job
teaching
music
technology
at
Blackburn.
Which
I
did
for
5
years,
and
then
I
worked
at
UCLAN
for
5
years.
…
And
now
I’ve
just
returned
to
building
studios
with
Joules
actually.
Full Transcript:
After
the
parties
had
finished
…
I’m
afraid
I
hung
around
too
long
thinking
that
something
else
like
it
would come
along
and,
I ended
up
doing
the,
some
of
the
Revenge
parties
from
the,
from
the
guys
from
Wigan
and,
basically
we
carried
on
renting
out
PA’s
to
clubs
and
things
like
that.
But
there
was,
there
was
yeah,
it
wasn’t
really
the
same
thing
for
me
anyway,
and
I
ended
up
moving
away
and
eventually
me
and
Jules
both
moved
to
Portugal
…
where
we
returned
to
building
studios
and
I
got
into
the
recording
side
of
things.
And
yeah,
I’ve
been
making
records
for
30
years
really.
10
years
ago,
I
got
a
job
teaching
music
technology
at
Blackburn.
Which
I
did
for
5
years,
and
then
I
worked
at
UCLAN
for
5
years.
…
And
now
I’ve
just
returned
to
building
studios
with
Joules
actually.
Joe Advice For Future Generations Part 1
Click to play
I
think
my
message
for
someone
in
the
future
would
be
to
try
and
believe
in
yourself.
Because
I
believe
you
can
accomplish
most
of your
goals
with,
especially
with
the
technology
involved
these
days
and
what
we
have
in
front
of
us,
and
the
information
we
have
at
our
disposal.
You
can
do
pretty
much
anything
from
anywhere
in
the
world
now.
I’d
also
say
don’t
pin
your
hopes
on
the
future.
Appreicate
things,
appreciate
life
as
it’s
happening
rather
than
what
you’re
going
to
be
doing
next
year
and
what
you’re
going
to
be
doing
the
year
after
you
know.
And
appreciate
it
while
it’s actually
going
on,
because
if
you
don’t
I think
life
can
just
pass
you
by.
Full Transcript:
I
think
my
message
for
someone
in
the
future
would
be
to
try
and
believe
in
yourself.
Because
I
believe
you
can
accomplish
most
of your
goals
with,
especially
with
the
technology
involved
these
days
and
what
we
have
in
front
of
us,
and
the
information
we
have
at
our
disposal.
You
can
do
pretty
much
anything
from
anywhere
in
the
world
now.
I’d
also
say
don’t
pin
your
hopes
on
the
future.
Appreicate
things,
appreciate
life
as
it’s
happening
rather
than
what
you’re
going
to
be
doing
next
year
and
what
you’re
going
to
be
doing
the
year
after
you
know.
And
appreciate
it
while
it’s actually
going
on,
because
if
you
don’t
I think
life
can
just
pass
you
by.
Joe Advice For Future Generations Part 2
Click to play
What
I’ll
never
understand
about
Blackburn,
is
that,
…
how
so
many
people
came
together,
that
we’re
all
prepared
to
risk
absolutely
everything,
just
for
these
events
every
week
and
this
feeling
of
togetherness
and
this
project
that
is
still
remembered
30
years
on.
And
I’m
just
glad
I
was
part
of
it,
you
know.
Full Transcript:
What
I’ll
never
understand
about
Blackburn,
is
that,
…
how
so
many
people
came
together,
that
we’re
all
prepared
to
risk
absolutely
everything,
just
for
these
events
every
week
and
this
feeling
of
togetherness
and
this
project
that
is
still
remembered
30
years
on.
And
I’m
just
glad
I
was
part
of
it,
you
know.
Joe Full Interview
Click to play
I
got
involved
because
I
was
working
at a
place
called
Audio
Workshop
at
the
time,
which
used
to
build
amplifiers
and
build
speakers
and
they
used
to
do
club
installations.
And
basically
I
used
to,
I
used
to
rent
out
their
big
PA
because
they
didn’t
really
want
to
take
it
out
the
guys,
the
guys
there
and
I
used
to
rent
it
and put
it in
clubs
and
do,
do
live
gigs
with
bands
usually.
I
met
Joules
at
Audio Workshop
who
was
the
same
age
as
me.
He
lived
down
in
London
at the
time
and
he
built
up
a
really
big
PA
and
he
changed
jobs
in
London
and
he’d
brought
his
PA
up
to
a
house
he
had
on
Hickory
Street
in
Blackburn.
And
so
I
started
hiring
this
PA
out
for
him
as
well
because
the
guys
in,
the
guys
in
Audio
Workshop
weren’t
that
keen
on
renting
there’s
out
without
going
out
with
it,
kind
of
thing.
So
anyway,
some
guy
started
renting
a
PA
from
the
shop,
without
a
mixing
deck
just
the
speakers
and
amplifiers
for
a
place
called
Crackers
in
Blackburn
Town
Centre.
And
I
used
to
go
down
there
and
set
it
up
for
em.
And,
it was
Acid
House
music,
and
it
was
it
was
amazing.
It
was an
amazing
place.
I’d
never
seen
anything
like
it.
They
just
wanted
it
as
loud
as
possible
really
and
I
think
the
PA
took
about
quarter
of
the
room
up
in
Crackers.
It
was
so
loud
in
there,
it was
shaking
the
building
apart.
And
I
thought
it
was
amazing.
I’d
never
really
seen
anything
like
it.
I
was
really
into
punk
music,
but
I’d
also
got
really
into
hip-hop
and
electro
as
well,
…
and
I’d
been
to,
I’d
been
to
study
at
School
of
Sound
Recording
in Manchester
the
year
before
and
I’d
learnt
a
lot
about
recording
and
I
was
getting
really
into
it
and
I,
I’d
gone
back
to
do
me
A
levels
at
Blackburn
College,
but
I
was
already
looking
for
other
possibilities.
We
ended
up
going
to
Live
the
Dream
after
packing
up
Crackers
one
night
and
people
saying
oh
you
should
come
to
this,
there’s
this
really
big
event
on,
it’s
in
Blackburn.
I
saw
the
tickets
advertised
but
I
presumed
it
was
going
to
be
out
of
town.
So
we
got
a
lift
up
to
this
Live
the
Dream
which
was
2
enormous
tents,
we
a,
no
3
tents
with
enormous
PA’s in,
they
had
2 house
tents
and
they
had
this
alternative
music
tent
which
was
more
my
scene
at
the
time.
But
I
saw
this
event,
and it
was
just
phenomenal.
I’d
never
seen
anything
like
it
in
Blackburn.
Well
from
then
on,
I
really
wanted
to
get
involved
because
they
were
doing
these
parties
every
week,
not
as
big
as
Live
the
Dream,
but
they
were
doing
them
locally.
So
I
think
it
was
2
weeks
after
we
were
renting
the
Audio
Workshop
PA
down
to
Crackers,
and
we
had
Joules’
PA,
we
had
no
gigs
on
that
weekend,
so
I
got
in
touch
with,
through
a
friend,
to
somebody
who
was
doing
the
sound
at
these
parties,
who
I’d
heard
was
doing
the
sound
at
these
parties,
and
they didn’t
have
a
PA
that
night,
and
they
rung
me.
It was
probably,
was
probably
about
10
o’clock
at
night,
and
they
rung
me
up.
I
was
living
at
me
mums
down
at
Lammack
and
we
had,
we
had
the
PA
stored
down
there
at
…
on
Lammack
Road,
in
the
garage
…
and
they
said
…
Can
you
provide
a
PA
for
the
party
tonight?
This is
like
a
couple
of
hours
before
it
was
meant
to
be
starting
and
I
said
oh,
yeah,
definitely.
So…
they
sent
a van
round
because
we
didn’t
drive
at
the
time,
and,
it
didn’t
fit
in
the
van.
It
didn’t
even
fit
with
2
trips
in
the
van.
It
were
still,
we
had
these
huge
bass
bins.
We
had
6
of
em
called
Thunderbolts.
Made
by
a
company
called
Vitavox.
…
…
…
And
they
managed
to
take
most
of
it
in
2
trips.
And
I
remember
there
was
1
bass
bin
left
which
my
dad
unbeknown
to
him
gave
us
a
lift
in
his
Land
Rover
to
Glenfield
Park
near
Whitebirk.
…
He
gave
us a
lift
with
the
last
bass
bin
and
he
dropped
it
off
there
at
like
…
it was
probably
about
1
in
the
morning
in
the
pitch-black
and
he
knew,
he knew
what we
were
up to.
But
he
didn’t
seem
to
mind.
And
then
he
drove
home
and,
he
drove
home
to
Lammack
Road
and
sat
down
and
had
dinner
with
Jack
Straw.
After
the
party at
Glenfield
Park.
Well,
one
of
the
DJ’s
had
seen
how
much
PA
we
had
and
so
it
was
suggested
that
we
put
our
PA
into
the
Sett
End
and
leave
it
there
rather
than
risking
it
at
parties
and
it
stayed
there
for
a
couple
of
months
I
think
until
the
next
time
we
didn’t
have
a
PA
for
a
party
and we
foolishly
took
it
out.
And
it
got
impounded
by
the
Police
and
it
got
impounded
several
times
after
that
really.
Because
that’s
when
it
was
getting
much
more
difficult,
you
know
to,
to
put
a
PA
in
a
somewhere,
leave
it
there
for
the
night
try
and
get
it out
at
the
end
of
the
night,
you
know.
No,
the
Sett
End
was
an
amazing
place.
It
was
like
a
mini
party
before
the
party
started.
It
was
always
rammed
…
with
as
many
people
as
they
could
fit
in
the
doors,
and
once
we
got
well,
…
from
when
I
saw
it,
from
when
we
put
Joules’
PA
in
there
there
it
just
yeah,
it
was
amazing.
What
a
place.
What
good
times
do
I
remember
of
the
parties?
…
…
…
Well,
every
single
one
of
them
was,
was
a
challenge
and
just
really
exciting.
It
was
so
exciting
for
us
because
it
was
this
challenge
of
getting
this
party
off
the
ground,
and
it
was
such
a
relief
and
a
fantastic
feeling
when
they,
when
they
happened
of
course.
And
I
think
the
longer
we
went
on
with
it
that,
you
know,
every
week
we
got
away
with
it,
the,
the
thrill
was
kind
of,
kind
of
bigger
each
time
because
I
never
imagined
we’d
get
away
with
it
for
so
long
thinking
back
now.
There
was
a
great
feeling
which
everyone
had
which
was
the
party
starting,
you
know
and
huge
cheer
would
go
up
and
then
you’d
spend
the
next
hour,
just
checking,
well,
we’d
look after
equipment
but
after
that
I’d
check,
checking
around
who
was
there
and
obviously
it
was
the
same
people
every
week
but
a
few
more
extras
each
time.
It
was
great
catching
up
we
your
mates,
seeing
where
they
were,
finding
out
where
they
were
hanging
out
in
the
warehouse
and
…
it
was
just
this
unbelievable
feeling
of
togetherness
that
everyone
had
there,
it was
fantastic
and
there,
…
…
partly
because
it
was
our
thing
wasn’t
it.
I’m
sure
partly,
partly
because
it
was
illegal
as
well,
which
gave
you
that
other,
other
bit
of
excitement,
but,
but
it
really
felt
like
the
world
was
changing.
You
know,
it
was
a,
it
was
a
fantastic
new
thing
which
we
were
a part
of,
you
know.
Blackburn
doesn’t
look
like
it
from
the
outside
to
be
a
very
productive
place,
but
I find
when you
get
to
know
the
people
here.
They’re
the
real
innovators
and
the
real
creators
as
well.
There’s
a
really
big
group,
a
big
creative
force
in
Blackburn
and
they
have
this,
for
me
they
have
something,
something
quite
rare
in
that
they
don’t
really
care
what
anyone
else
thinks
of
em,
which
is
a
massive
help
in
creativity,
you
know,
they’re
very
creative
and
very
industrious
and
they’ll
try
anything.
The
parties
were
a
strange
mix
of
all
kinds
of
different
people,
from
all
kinds
of
different
backgrounds
and
one
thing
I
can
say
for
sure
about
em,
…
I
was
certainly
looked
after
and
I
would
have
done
the
same
for
anyone
else
involved.
It
was
like
a
big
family,
and
I
don’t
mean
like
a
VIP
club
or
anything
like
that.
It
was
a
big
family
in
that,
I’m
talking
about
everyone
who
went
to
the
parties,
everyone
who’s
involved,
anyone
who
helped.
Nobody
would
ever
look
down
on
anyone
else
really,
you
know,
everyone
was
equal
there,
and
everyone
was
a
part
of
it.
The
music
there,
I
didn’t
really
appreciate
at
first.
But
soon
as,
after,
after
a
few
weeks,
I
started
to
appreciate,
like
all
music
there’s
some,
just
some
bits
you
love
and
some
bits
you
hate,
well,
speaking
for
myself
personally.
And
I’ve
got
to
know
some
really
good
music
and
I
discovered
that,
well,
there
was,
outstanding
DJ’s.
I
mean,
there
was,
there
was
a
number
of
outstanding
DJ’s
who’d
show
up
there,
but
we
had
our
regulars
Shack,
Kenneth,
Kelly
and
Clem
and
Gilly,
all
these
people
were,
and
Lee
and
a
few
others
who
were
all,
all
brought
this
massive
mixture
of music
because
there,
there
wasn’t
too
much
what
you’d
call
exactly
house
music
there.
They
used
to
mix in
all
kinds
of
stuff.
Yeah,
they
did
an
amazing
job,
I’ve
got
to
say.
By
the
end
of
the
parties
in
Blackburn
…
we
were
actually
building
our own
cabinets.
Cos
we
couldn’t
really
get
any,
couldn’t
really
rent
any
PA’s
anymore.
So
some
of
them
were
built
in
me
Dads
garage,
some of
them
were
built
in
me
backyard,
Whitehead
Street.
And,
I
remember
when
I
first
suggested
it.
I
think
apart
from
Tommy
everyone
thought
it
was
a
stupid
idea.
But,
we
kind
of
built
some
anyway.
And
it
worked,
they
weren’t
the
best
speaker
cabinets
in
the
world,
but
they
were
disposable.
So
we
just
ended
up
with
these
cabinets
that
were,
front
…
front-loaded
speakers
and
they
were
held
in
we
wing
nuts
so
that
you
could
just
take
the
speaker
out
and
just
kind
of
smuggle
it
out
as
the
party
was
dying
down.
…
And
that’s
how
we
kept
it
going
really.
Of
course
I’m
talking
about
the
sound
equipment
side
of
things
obviously.
…
Because
that’s
the
only
bit
I
know
about.
For
me
…
…
the
worst
part
of
the
Blackburn
parties
…
really
was
when,
were
when
I
realised,
when
I
came
to
the
realisation
that
it
was
all
over,
because
there didn’t
seem
to
be
anything
else
left
to
do.
And
that’s
why
I
think
I
ended
up
moving
away
from
Blackburn.
Because,
because
there
was
a
big
hole there,
you
know
when,
once
they’d
gone.
I
think
my
message
for
someone
in
the
future
would
be
to
try
and
believe
in
yourself,
because
I
believe
you
can,
accomplish
most
of your
goals
with,
especially
with
the
technology
involved
these
days
and
what
we
have
in
front
of
us,
and
the
information
we
have
at
our
disposal.
You
can
do
pretty
much
anything
from
anywhere
in
the
world
now.
I’d
also
say
don’t
pin
your
hopes
on
the
future,
appreciate
things,
appreciate
life
as
it’s
happening
rather
than
what
you’re
going
to
be
doing
next
year
and
what
you’re
going
to
be
doing
the
year
after
you
know,
…
appreciate
it
while
it’s actually
going
on,
because
if
you
don’t
I think
life
can
just
pass
you
by.
But
I’ll
never
understand
about
Blackburn
…
is
that,
how
so
many
people
came
together
that
were
all
prepared
to
risk
absolutely
everything,
just
for
these
events
every
week,
and
this
feeling
of
togetherness
and
this
project
that
is
still
remembered
30
years
on.
And
I’m
just
glad
I
was
part
of
it,
you
know.
After
the
parties
had
finished.
…
I’m
afraid
I
hung
around
too
long
thinking
that
something
else
like
it
would
come along
and
ended
up
doing
the,
some
of
the
Revenge
parties
from
the,
from
the
guys
from
Wigan.
And
basically
we
carried
on
renting
out
PA’s
to
clubs
and
things
like
that.
But
there
was,
there
was,
it
wasn’t
really
the
same
thing
for
me
anyway.
And
I
ended
up
moving
away
and
eventually
me
and
Joules
both
moved
to
Portugal
…
where
we
return
to
building
studios
and
I
got
into
the
recording
side
of
things.
And
yeah,
I’ve
been
making
records
for
30
years
really.
10
years
ago
I
got
a
job
teaching
music
technology
at
Blackburn.
Which
I
did for
5
years.
And
then
I
worked
at
UCLAN
for
5
years.
…
And
now
I’ve
just
returned
to
building
studios
with
Joules
actually.
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I
got
involved
because
I
was
working
at a
place
called
Audio
Workshop
at
the
time,
which
used
to
build
amplifiers
and
build
speakers
and
they
used
to
do
club
installations.
And
basically
I
used
to,
I
used
to
rent
out
their
big
PA
because
they
didn’t
really
want
to
take
it
out
the
guys,
the
guys
there
and
I
used
to
rent
it
and put
it in
clubs
and
do,
do
live
gigs
with
bands
usually.
I
met
Joules
at
Audio Workshop
who
was
the
same
age
as
me.
He
lived
down
in
London
at the
time
and
he
built
up
a
really
big
PA
and
he
changed
jobs
in
London
and
he’d
brought
his
PA
up
to
a
house
he
had
on
Hickory
Street
in
Blackburn.
And
so
I
started
hiring
this
PA
out
for
him
as
well
because
the
guys
in,
the
guys
in
Audio
Workshop
weren’t
that
keen
on
renting
there’s
out
without
going
out
with
it,
kind
of
thing.
So
anyway,
some
guy
started
renting
a
PA
from
the
shop,
without
a
mixing
deck
just
the
speakers
and
amplifiers
for
a
place
called
Crackers
in
Blackburn
Town
Centre.
And
I
used
to
go
down
there
and
set
it
up
for
em.
And,
it was
Acid
House
music,
and
it
was
it
was
amazing.
It
was an
amazing
place.
I’d
never
seen
anything
like
it.
They
just
wanted
it
as
loud
as
possible
really
and
I
think
the
PA
took
about
quarter
of
the
room
up
in
Crackers.
It
was
so
loud
in
there,
it was
shaking
the
building
apart.
And
I
thought
it
was
amazing.
I’d
never
really
seen
anything
like
it.
I
was
really
into
punk
music,
but
I’d
also
got
really
into
hip-hop
and
electro
as
well,
…
and
I’d
been
to,
I’d
been
to
study
at
School
of
Sound
Recording
in Manchester
the
year
before
and
I’d
learnt
a
lot
about
recording
and
I
was
getting
really
into
it
and
I,
I’d
gone
back
to
do
me
A
levels
at
Blackburn
College,
but
I
was
already
looking
for
other
possibilities.
We
ended
up
going
to
Live
the
Dream
after
packing
up
Crackers
one
night
and
people
saying
oh
you
should
come
to
this,
there’s
this
really
big
event
on,
it’s
in
Blackburn.
I
saw
the
tickets
advertised
but
I
presumed
it
was
going
to
be
out
of
town.
So
we
got
a
lift
up
to
this
Live
the
Dream
which
was
2
enormous
tents,
we
a,
no
3
tents
with
enormous
PA’s in,
they
had
2 house
tents
and
they
had
this
alternative
music
tent
which
was
more
my
scene
at
the
time.
But
I
saw
this
event,
and it
was
just
phenomenal.
I’d
never
seen
anything
like
it
in
Blackburn.
Well
from
then
on,
I
really
wanted
to
get
involved
because
they
were
doing
these
parties
every
week,
not
as
big
as
Live
the
Dream,
but
they
were
doing
them
locally.
So
I
think
it
was
2
weeks
after
we
were
renting
the
Audio
Workshop
PA
down
to
Crackers,
and
we
had
Joules’
PA,
we
had
no
gigs
on
that
weekend,
so
I
got
in
touch
with,
through
a
friend,
to
somebody
who
was
doing
the
sound
at
these
parties,
who
I’d
heard
was
doing
the
sound
at
these
parties,
and
they didn’t
have
a
PA
that
night,
and
they
rung
me.
It was
probably,
was
probably
about
10
o’clock
at
night,
and
they
rung
me
up.
I
was
living
at
me
mums
down
at
Lammack
and
we
had,
we
had
the
PA
stored
down
there
at
…
on
Lammack
Road,
in
the
garage
…
and
they
said
…
Can
you
provide
a
PA
for
the
party
tonight?
This is
like
a
couple
of
hours
before
it
was
meant
to
be
starting
and
I
said
oh,
yeah,
definitely.
So…
they
sent
a van
round
because
we
didn’t
drive
at
the
time,
and,
it
didn’t
fit
in
the
van.
It
didn’t
even
fit
with
2
trips
in
the
van.
It
were
still,
we
had
these
huge
bass
bins.
We
had
6
of
em
called
Thunderbolts.
Made
by
a
company
called
Vitavox.
…
…
…
And
they
managed
to
take
most
of
it
in
2
trips.
And
I
remember
there
was
1
bass
bin
left
which
my
dad
unbeknown
to
him
gave
us
a
lift
in
his
Land
Rover
to
Glenfield
Park
near
Whitebirk.
…
He
gave
us a
lift
with
the
last
bass
bin
and
he
dropped
it
off
there
at
like
…
it was
probably
about
1
in
the
morning
in
the
pitch-black
and
he
knew,
he knew
what we
were
up to.
But
he
didn’t
seem
to
mind.
And
then
he
drove
home
and,
he
drove
home
to
Lammack
Road
and
sat
down
and
had
dinner
with
Jack
Straw.
After
the
party at
Glenfield
Park.
Well,
one
of
the
DJ’s
had
seen
how
much
PA
we
had
and
so
it
was
suggested
that
we
put
our
PA
into
the
Sett
End
and
leave
it
there
rather
than
risking
it
at
parties
and
it
stayed
there
for
a
couple
of
months
I
think
until
the
next
time
we
didn’t
have
a
PA
for
a
party
and we
foolishly
took
it
out.
And
it
got
impounded
by
the
Police
and
it
got
impounded
several
times
after
that
really.
Because
that’s
when
it
was
getting
much
more
difficult,
you
know
to,
to
put
a
PA
in
a
somewhere,
leave
it
there
for
the
night
try
and
get
it out
at
the
end
of
the
night,
you
know.
No,
the
Sett
End
was
an
amazing
place.
It
was
like
a
mini
party
before
the
party
started.
It
was
always
rammed
…
with
as
many
people
as
they
could
fit
in
the
doors,
and
once
we
got
well,
…
from
when
I
saw
it,
from
when
we
put
Joules’
PA
in
there
there
it
just
yeah,
it
was
amazing.
What
a
place.
What
good
times
do
I
remember
of
the
parties?
…
…
…
Well,
every
single
one
of
them
was,
was
a
challenge
and
just
really
exciting.
It
was
so
exciting
for
us
because
it
was
this
challenge
of
getting
this
party
off
the
ground,
and
it
was
such
a
relief
and
a
fantastic
feeling
when
they,
when
they
happened
of
course.
And
I
think
the
longer
we
went
on
with
it
that,
you
know,
every
week
we
got
away
with
it,
the,
the
thrill
was
kind
of,
kind
of
bigger
each
time
because
I
never
imagined
we’d
get
away
with
it
for
so
long
thinking
back
now.
There
was
a
great
feeling
which
everyone
had
which
was
the
party
starting,
you
know
and
huge
cheer
would
go
up
and
then
you’d
spend
the
next
hour,
just
checking,
well,
we’d
look after
equipment
but
after
that
I’d
check,
checking
around
who
was
there
and
obviously
it
was
the
same
people
every
week
but
a
few
more
extras
each
time.
It
was
great
catching
up
we
your
mates,
seeing
where
they
were,
finding
out
where
they
were
hanging
out
in
the
warehouse
and
…
it
was
just
this
unbelievable
feeling
of
togetherness
that
everyone
had
there,
it was
fantastic
and
there,
…
…
partly
because
it
was
our
thing
wasn’t
it.
I’m
sure
partly,
partly
because
it
was
illegal
as
well,
which
gave
you
that
other,
other
bit
of
excitement,
but,
but
it
really
felt
like
the
world
was
changing.
You
know,
it
was
a,
it
was
a
fantastic
new
thing
which
we
were
a part
of,
you
know.
Blackburn
doesn’t
look
like
it
from
the
outside
to
be
a
very
productive
place,
but
I find
when you
get
to
know
the
people
here.
They’re
the
real
innovators
and
the
real
creators
as
well.
There’s
a
really
big
group,
a
big
creative
force
in
Blackburn
and
they
have
this,
for
me
they
have
something,
something
quite
rare
in
that
they
don’t
really
care
what
anyone
else
thinks
of
em,
which
is
a
massive
help
in
creativity,
you
know,
they’re
very
creative
and
very
industrious
and
they’ll
try
anything.
The
parties
were
a
strange
mix
of
all
kinds
of
different
people,
from
all
kinds
of
different
backgrounds
and
one
thing
I
can
say
for
sure
about
em,
…
I
was
certainly
looked
after
and
I
would
have
done
the
same
for
anyone
else
involved.
It
was
like
a
big
family,
and
I
don’t
mean
like
a
VIP
club
or
anything
like
that.
It
was
a
big
family
in
that,
I’m
talking
about
everyone
who
went
to
the
parties,
everyone
who’s
involved,
anyone
who
helped.
Nobody
would
ever
look
down
on
anyone
else
really,
you
know,
everyone
was
equal
there,
and
everyone
was
a
part
of
it.
The
music
there,
I
didn’t
really
appreciate
at
first.
But
soon
as,
after,
after
a
few
weeks,
I
started
to
appreciate,
like
all
music
there’s
some,
just
some
bits
you
love
and
some
bits
you
hate,
well,
speaking
for
myself
personally.
And
I’ve
got
to
know
some
really
good
music
and
I
discovered
that,
well,
there
was,
outstanding
DJ’s.
I
mean,
there
was,
there
was
a
number
of
outstanding
DJ’s
who’d
show
up
there,
but
we
had
our
regulars
Shack,
Kenneth,
Kelly
and
Clem
and
Gilly,
all
these
people
were,
and
Lee
and
a
few
others
who
were
all,
all
brought
this
massive
mixture
of music
because
there,
there
wasn’t
too
much
what
you’d
call
exactly
house
music
there.
They
used
to
mix in
all
kinds
of
stuff.
Yeah,
they
did
an
amazing
job,
I’ve
got
to
say.
By
the
end
of
the
parties
in
Blackburn
…
we
were
actually
building
our own
cabinets.
Cos
we
couldn’t
really
get
any,
couldn’t
really
rent
any
PA’s
anymore.
So
some
of
them
were
built
in
me
Dads
garage,
some of
them
were
built
in
me
backyard,
Whitehead
Street.
And,
I
remember
when
I
first
suggested
it.
I
think
apart
from
Tommy
everyone
thought
it
was
a
stupid
idea.
But,
we
kind
of
built
some
anyway.
And
it
worked,
they
weren’t
the
best
speaker
cabinets
in
the
world,
but
they
were
disposable.
So
we
just
ended
up
with
these
cabinets
that
were,
front
…
front-loaded
speakers
and
they
were
held
in
we
wing
nuts
so
that
you
could
just
take
the
speaker
out
and
just
kind
of
smuggle
it
out
as
the
party
was
dying
down.
…
And
that’s
how
we
kept
it
going
really.
Of
course
I’m
talking
about
the
sound
equipment
side
of
things
obviously.
…
Because
that’s
the
only
bit
I
know
about.
For
me
…
…
the
worst
part
of
the
Blackburn
parties
…
really
was
when,
were
when
I
realised,
when
I
came
to
the
realisation
that
it
was
all
over,
because
there didn’t
seem
to
be
anything
else
left
to
do.
And
that’s
why
I
think
I
ended
up
moving
away
from
Blackburn.
Because,
because
there
was
a
big
hole there,
you
know
when,
once
they’d
gone.
I
think
my
message
for
someone
in
the
future
would
be
to
try
and
believe
in
yourself,
because
I
believe
you
can,
accomplish
most
of your
goals
with,
especially
with
the
technology
involved
these
days
and
what
we
have
in
front
of
us,
and
the
information
we
have
at
our
disposal.
You
can
do
pretty
much
anything
from
anywhere
in
the
world
now.
I’d
also
say
don’t
pin
your
hopes
on
the
future,
appreciate
things,
appreciate
life
as
it’s
happening
rather
than
what
you’re
going
to
be
doing
next
year
and
what
you’re
going
to
be
doing
the
year
after
you
know,
…
appreciate
it
while
it’s actually
going
on,
because
if
you
don’t
I think
life
can
just
pass
you
by.
But
I’ll
never
understand
about
Blackburn
…
is
that,
how
so
many
people
came
together
that
were
all
prepared
to
risk
absolutely
everything,
just
for
these
events
every
week,
and
this
feeling
of
togetherness
and
this
project
that
is
still
remembered
30
years
on.
And
I’m
just
glad
I
was
part
of
it,
you
know.
After
the
parties
had
finished.
…
I’m
afraid
I
hung
around
too
long
thinking
that
something
else
like
it
would
come along
and
ended
up
doing
the,
some
of
the
Revenge
parties
from
the,
from
the
guys
from
Wigan.
And
basically
we
carried
on
renting
out
PA’s
to
clubs
and
things
like
that.
But
there
was,
there
was,
it
wasn’t
really
the
same
thing
for
me
anyway.
And
I
ended
up
moving
away
and
eventually
me
and
Joules
both
moved
to
Portugal
…
where
we
return
to
building
studios
and
I
got
into
the
recording
side
of
things.
And
yeah,
I’ve
been
making
records
for
30
years
really.
10
years
ago
I
got
a
job
teaching
music
technology
at
Blackburn.
Which
I
did for
5
years.
And
then
I
worked
at
UCLAN
for
5
years.
…
And
now
I’ve
just
returned
to
building
studios
with
Joules
actually.
Rob Bad Memories
Click to play
Unfortunately,
you
know,
I
ended
up
doing
three
months
inside.
The
worst
memory
is
is
that
you
know
going
to
prison
for
it
really,
you
know,
the
thing
is
that
I
did
get
carried
away
at
the
time.
It’s
probably
well
documented
now,
you
know,
but
I
did
get
a
bit
carried
away
at the
time
I
certainly
didn’t
know
that
all
of
a
sudden
my
actions
were
going
to
cause
you
know,
what
was
the
one
charge
down
from
incitement
to
riot
you
know,
so
yeah
that
that
is
that
is
probably
the
worst
experience
of
it
all
Caveat
to
that
I
would
say
is
that
particular
experience
has
been
the
springboard
to
doing
what
what
I’ve
ended
up
doing
the
last
30
years
because
you
know,
I
literally
decided
right
when
I
was
at
when
I
was
behind
bars,
you
know
looking
down
onto
Armly
I
did
actually
have
that
moment
where
I
looked
at
and
thought
right
you
know
what
I’ve
got
two
routes
here.
I
can
either
make
it
work
or
I
can
fire
it
all
off
and
I
decided
I’m
just
gonna
absolutely
go
for
gold
and
that’s
what
I’ve
done.
Full Transcript:
Unfortunately,
you
know,
I
ended
up
doing
three
months
inside.
The
worst
memory
is
is
that
you
know
going
to
prison
for
it
really,
you
know,
the
thing
is
that
I
did
get
carried
away
at
the
time.
It’s
probably
well
documented
now,
you
know,
but
I
did
get
a
bit
carried
away
at the
time
I
certainly
didn’t
know
that
all
of
a
sudden
my
actions
were
going
to
cause
you
know,
what
was
the
one
charge
down
from
incitement
to
riot
you
know,
so
yeah
that
that
is
that
is
probably
the
worst
experience
of
it
all
Caveat
to
that
I
would
say
is
that
particular
experience
has
been
the
springboard
to
doing
what
what
I’ve
ended
up
doing
the
last
30
years
because
you
know,
I
literally
decided
right
when
I
was
at
when
I
was
behind
bars,
you
know
looking
down
onto
Armly
I
did
actually
have
that
moment
where
I
looked
at
and
thought
right
you
know
what
I’ve
got
two
routes
here.
I
can
either
make
it
work
or
I
can
fire
it
all
off
and
I
decided
I’m
just
gonna
absolutely
go
for
gold
and
that’s
what
I’ve
done.
Rob Good Memories
Click to play
I
think
probably
one
of
my
favorite
memories
would
be
when
there
was
a
party
on
at
the
the
New
Post
Office
up
in
Shadsworth
Yeah,
behind
Sett
end.
Yeah
behind
Sett
End
Yeah,
and
it
was
brand
new
building
and
and
the
only
way
to
get
in
it
was
to
go
on
planks
of
wood
over
like
a
little
moat
sort
of
thing
and
then
in
through
the
bottom
Windows,
which
is
what
we
did
and
then
there
was
somebody
on
the
other
side
who
had
a
plastic
bag
and
who
was
just
collecting
money
and
the
they’d
say,
well
what
have
you
got
on
your
so
I’ve
got
three
quid
and
they
were
like
just
chuck
it
in
there
mate
and
and
then
went
in
went
in
through
like
a
through
that
basement
and
then
up
into
the
main
building
and
it
was
just
awesome.
I
remember
they
were
playing
it’s
I’ll
tell
you
what,
it’s
called
it’s
called
You
Bad
Chubbs…
that’s
what
it’s
called
that’s
what
was
playing
and
they
were
playing
like
this
mixture
of
like
Hip
House
Acid
House
and
just
straight
up
piano
tunes
and
I
just
went
in
and
there
was
probably
God
knows
thousands
of
people
it
look
like
to
me
in
there
people
hanging
off
every
everything,
you
know
on
the
sides
on
the
sides
of
the
building
and
then
I
ended
up
getting
up
and
dancing
on
top
of
this
this
digger
mechanical
digger
to
Rich
in
Paradise.
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I
think
probably
one
of
my
favorite
memories
would
be
when
there
was
a
party
on
at
the
the
New
Post
Office
up
in
Shadsworth
Yeah,
behind
Sett
end.
Yeah
behind
Sett
End
Yeah,
and
it
was
brand
new
building
and
and
the
only
way
to
get
in
it
was
to
go
on
planks
of
wood
over
like
a
little
moat
sort
of
thing
and
then
in
through
the
bottom
Windows,
which
is
what
we
did
and
then
there
was
somebody
on
the
other
side
who
had
a
plastic
bag
and
who
was
just
collecting
money
and
the
they’d
say,
well
what
have
you
got
on
your
so
I’ve
got
three
quid
and
they
were
like
just
chuck
it
in
there
mate
and
and
then
went
in
went
in
through
like
a
through
that
basement
and
then
up
into
the
main
building
and
it
was
just
awesome.
I
remember
they
were
playing
it’s
I’ll
tell
you
what,
it’s
called
it’s
called
You
Bad
Chubbs…
that’s
what
it’s
called
that’s
what
was
playing
and
they
were
playing
like
this
mixture
of
like
Hip
House
Acid
House
and
just
straight
up
piano
tunes
and
I
just
went
in
and
there
was
probably
God
knows
thousands
of
people
it
look
like
to
me
in
there
people
hanging
off
every
everything,
you
know
on
the
sides
on
the
sides
of
the
building
and
then
I
ended
up
getting
up
and
dancing
on
top
of
this
this
digger
mechanical
digger
to
Rich
in
Paradise.
Rob Advice For Future Generations
Click to play
I
think
the
thing
that
was
really
special
when
when
this
all
kicked
off
the
difference
between
what
we
did
and
a
lot
of
other
things
that
have
come
since
it
is
that
this
was
quite
a
new
form
of
music
in
terms
of
it
was
a
marriage
of
machines
and
musicians,
you
know,
so
therefore
it
was
something
that
hadn’t
really
been
been
encountered
before
by
a
lot
of
people
and
I
think
that
was
that
that
made
it
so
special
because
the
people
that
were
operating
these
new
bits
of
machinery
like
the
909
the
303
the
808
and
and
all
of
the
role
and
gear,
you
know,
amongst
many
other
synths.
It
was
a
brand
new
thing
but
in
order
to
get
that
music
to
sound
the
way
it
did
the
people
that
operated
it
were
actually
musicians
from
another
time
and
I
think
that
that’s
the
thing
that
made
it
really
special
was
is
it
you
know,
it
was
it
was
that
complete
For
other
people
looking
into
it
it
look
like
oh
that’s
going
to
be
a
passing
fad
really
Totally,
Yeah,
absolutely.
Where
is
it
actually
just
evolved
so
much
over
the
years
and
it’s stil
here.
It’s
still
here.
It’s
still,
you
know,
we’re
sat
outside
somewhere
that’s
absolutely
rammed
there.
Yeah,
you
know
playing
playing
the
tunes
of
the
day
some
of
them
from
back
in
the
day
Oh,
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So
yeah,
so
I’m
very
proud
of
all
the
stuff
that
you
know,
all
the
people
That
I’ve
worked
with
you
know
that
we’ve
you
know,
it’s
kind
of
left
its
stamp
for
to
be
documenting
a
hundred
years
time.
I
think
that
what
a
lot
of
people
a
lot
of
scenes
haven’t
seen
since
is
that
it
wasn’t
just
about
the
music
and
it
was
a
lot
don’t
get
me
wrong
it was
a
lot
about
the
music.
It
was
a
lot
about
camaraderie
but
also
it
was
it
was
it
was
about
it
was
a
little
bit
lawless,
you
know,
that’s
the
thing
is
it
was
it
was
actually
you
know,
yeah,
it
felt
like
we
were
fighting
the
good
fight
it
changed
legislation
and
allowed
people
to
go
out
and
dance
all
night.
It
did
create
a
unity
Full Transcript:
I
think
the
thing
that
was
really
special
when
when
this
all
kicked
off
the
difference
between
what
we
did
and
a
lot
of
other
things
that
have
come
since
it
is
that
this
was
quite
a
new
form
of
music
in
terms
of
it
was
a
marriage
of
machines
and
musicians,
you
know,
so
therefore
it
was
something
that
hadn’t
really
been
been
encountered
before
by
a
lot
of
people
and
I
think
that
was
that
that
made
it
so
special
because
the
people
that
were
operating
these
new
bits
of
machinery
like
the
909
the
303
the
808
and
and
all
of
the
role
and
gear,
you
know,
amongst
many
other
synths.
It
was
a
brand
new
thing
but
in
order
to
get
that
music
to
sound
the
way
it
did
the
people
that
operated
it
were
actually
musicians
from
another
time
and
I
think
that
that’s
the
thing
that
made
it
really
special
was
is
it
you
know,
it
was
it
was
that
complete
For
other
people
looking
into
it
it
look
like
oh
that’s
going
to
be
a
passing
fad
really
Totally,
Yeah,
absolutely.
Where
is
it
actually
just
evolved
so
much
over
the
years
and
it’s stil
here.
It’s
still
here.
It’s
still,
you
know,
we’re
sat
outside
somewhere
that’s
absolutely
rammed
there.
Yeah,
you
know
playing
playing
the
tunes
of
the
day
some
of
them
from
back
in
the
day
Oh,
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So
yeah,
so
I’m
very
proud
of
all
the
stuff
that
you
know,
all
the
people
That
I’ve
worked
with
you
know
that
we’ve
you
know,
it’s
kind
of
left
its
stamp
for
to
be
documenting
a
hundred
years
time.
I
think
that
what
a
lot
of
people
a
lot
of
scenes
haven’t
seen
since
is
that
it
wasn’t
just
about
the
music
and
it
was
a
lot
don’t
get
me
wrong
it was
a
lot
about
the
music.
It
was
a
lot
about
camaraderie
but
also
it
was
it
was
it
was
about
it
was
a
little
bit
lawless,
you
know,
that’s
the
thing
is
it
was
it
was
actually
you
know,
yeah,
it
felt
like
we
were
fighting
the
good
fight
it
changed
legislation
and
allowed
people
to
go
out
and
dance
all
night.
It
did
create
a
unity