Click to play
What’s
your
best
memories
about
about
the
Blackburn
scene
at
the
time
89 and 90
you
think?
Oooh
my
best
memories
I
think
for
me
1
of
my
best
memories
is
if
you
can
imagine
this,
so
we’re
all
at
the
Sett End
night
club.
Yeah.
And
the
club
finishes
at
2
o’clock
and
we
leave
the
club.
There’s
about
2000
cars
outside
and
quite
often.
I
would
be
leading
the
convoy
so
I’d
get
in
my
car
there’d
be
a
few
100
cars
following
me
in
the
convoy
you’d
be
racing
through
the
town
and
you’d
be
on
your
way
to
the
warehouse
party
and
you’d
probably
have
the
police
on
your
tail
even
at
that
stage
you’d
get
to
the
party…
after
about
20
minutes
half
an
hour
and
…
you’d
lock
your
car
quick
you’d
run
down
the
street
you’d
get
into
the
warehouse
as
quick
as
you
could
and
by
this
point
definitely
the
police
are
on
your
tail,
you
know,
you
literally
had
to
run
as
fast
as
you
could
and
you’d
you’d
go
in
the
warehouse
and
then
as
soon
as
they
got
as
many
people
in
the
party
as they could
they’d shut
the
doors
the
police
would
be
outside
trying
to
get
in
and
I
mean
this
feeling
of
excitement,
you
know,
getting
to
a
party.
This’d
be
before
the
party
even
starts,
you
know,
and
then
you’d
be
in
the
party…
after
about
10
minutes
everybody,
you
know
had
found
their
little
places
in
the
party
where
they
were
going
to
hang
out
and
and
then
the
lights’d
…
go
out
in
the
party
and
you’d
wait
about
30
seconds
it’d
be
complete
silence
you’d
have about
10000
people
in
the
party
and
then
you’d
just
see
1
light
where
the
Technics
decks
went
on
…
you
know,
it
was
where the
needle
was
going
on
the
record
and
then
just
as
the
needle
started
crackling
on
the
record
you’d
just
feel
this
wave,
like
of
people
just
cheering.
It’s
like
this
wave,
that
just
went
right
through
you.
It
was
the
most
amazing
feeling
and
that
for
me
that
moment
that
few
seconds
was
just
probably
the
best
part
of
the
whole,
you
know
thing
for
me.
It’s
just
the
most
amazing
feeling
that…
just
…
just
where
it
was
ready
to
take
off.
And a
a
feeling
of
relief
as
well.
Full Transcript:
What’s
your
best
memories
about
about
the
Blackburn
scene
at
the
time
89 and 90
you
think?
Oooh
my
best
memories
I
think
for
me
1
of
my
best
memories
is
if
you
can
imagine
this,
so
we’re
all
at
the
Sett End
night
club.
Yeah.
And
the
club
finishes
at
2
o’clock
and
we
leave
the
club.
There’s
about
2000
cars
outside
and
quite
often.
I
would
be
leading
the
convoy
so
I’d
get
in
my
car
there’d
be
a
few
100
cars
following
me
in
the
convoy
you’d
be
racing
through
the
town
and
you’d
be
on
your
way
to
the
warehouse
party
and
you’d
probably
have
the
police
on
your
tail
even
at
that
stage
you’d
get
to
the
party…
after
about
20
minutes
half
an
hour
and
…
you’d
lock
your
car
quick
you’d
run
down
the
street
you’d
get
into
the
warehouse
as
quick
as
you
could
and
by
this
point
definitely
the
police
are
on
your
tail,
you
know,
you
literally
had
to
run
as
fast
as
you
could
and
you’d
you’d
go
in
the
warehouse
and
then
as
soon
as
they
got
as
many
people
in
the
party
as they could
they’d shut
the
doors
the
police
would
be
outside
trying
to
get
in
and
I
mean
this
feeling
of
excitement,
you
know,
getting
to
a
party.
This’d
be
before
the
party
even
starts,
you
know,
and
then
you’d
be
in
the
party…
after
about
10
minutes
everybody,
you
know
had
found
their
little
places
in
the
party
where
they
were
going
to
hang
out
and
and
then
the
lights’d
…
go
out
in
the
party
and
you’d
wait
about
30
seconds
it’d
be
complete
silence
you’d
have about
10000
people
in
the
party
and
then
you’d
just
see
1
light
where
the
Technics
decks
went
on
…
you
know,
it
was
where the
needle
was
going
on
the
record
and
then
just
as
the
needle
started
crackling
on
the
record
you’d
just
feel
this
wave,
like
of
people
just
cheering.
It’s
like
this
wave,
that
just
went
right
through
you.
It
was
the
most
amazing
feeling
and
that
for
me
that
moment
that
few
seconds
was
just
probably
the
best
part
of
the
whole,
you
know
thing
for
me.
It’s
just
the
most
amazing
feeling
that…
just
…
just
where
it
was
ready
to
take
off.
And a
a
feeling
of
relief
as
well.
Jane Advice For Future Generations
Click to play
Imagine
somebody
is
looking…
researching
Acid
House
parties
in
Blackburn
a
100
years
from
now
and
they
come
across
this
archive…
what
message
would
you
have
for
them?
I
think
what
I
learned
from
the
Acid
House
the…
the
culture
and
the
parties
is
…
that
you
know,
what
we…
what
we
learned
from
this
is
that
anything
we
want
to
do
with
our
life
we
can
do,
you
know,
it’s
this
attitude
that
you
can
do
what
you
want
that
you
can
fulfill
your
dreams.
You
can
follow
your
dreams.
You
don’t
have
to
end
up
in
a
mundane
job,
you
know
because
this
really
taught
us
how
to
follow
our
dreams
it
taught
us
how
to
be
entrepreneurs
and
so
many
people
had
amazing
careers
after
these
parties
because
of
the
inspiration
that
they
felt
at
the
parties…
you
know,
people
became
DJ’s
producers
film
directors
fashion
designers,
you
know
property
developers,
whatever
you
wanted
…
to
be
you
could
be
and
before
this
time,
you
know,
the
mid-eighties
in
Britain
were
very
depressing
times.
You
know,
I
remember
being
in
my
careers
lesson
at
school
and
the
choices
was
very
they
were
so
limited
on
what
we
could
do
after
school.
You
know,
it
was
like
do
you
want
to
be
a
nurse,
you
know,
or
do
you
want
to
work
as
a
cook
at
school?
I
mean,
these
are
the
kind
of
choices
they
were
telling
me,
you
know,
and
I
just
remember
thinking
what
…
what
is
this?
You
know,
I’m
sure
there’s
more
to
life
than
this
so
it
would
be
to
say
to
somebody,
you
know,
always
follow
your
dreams
and
you
know,
the
1
thing
I
really
learned
as
well…
from
that
time
was
that
and
I
still
live
with
this…
I
still
live
in
the
hope
that
we
shared
because
that
was
the
one
feeling
we
all
shared
at
the
time.
It
was
hoping
for
a
better
future,
you
know
hope
that
we
can
live
together
more
peacefully
and
love…
you
know,
that
love
is
probably
the
most
important
thing
for
us
all.
Full Transcript:
Imagine
somebody
is
looking…
researching
Acid
House
parties
in
Blackburn
a
100
years
from
now
and
they
come
across
this
archive…
what
message
would
you
have
for
them?
I
think
what
I
learned
from
the
Acid
House
the…
the
culture
and
the
parties
is
…
that
you
know,
what
we…
what
we
learned
from
this
is
that
anything
we
want
to
do
with
our
life
we
can
do,
you
know,
it’s
this
attitude
that
you
can
do
what
you
want
that
you
can
fulfill
your
dreams.
You
can
follow
your
dreams.
You
don’t
have
to
end
up
in
a
mundane
job,
you
know
because
this
really
taught
us
how
to
follow
our
dreams
it
taught
us
how
to
be
entrepreneurs
and
so
many
people
had
amazing
careers
after
these
parties
because
of
the
inspiration
that
they
felt
at
the
parties…
you
know,
people
became
DJ’s
producers
film
directors
fashion
designers,
you
know
property
developers,
whatever
you
wanted
…
to
be
you
could
be
and
before
this
time,
you
know,
the
mid-eighties
in
Britain
were
very
depressing
times.
You
know,
I
remember
being
in
my
careers
lesson
at
school
and
the
choices
was
very
they
were
so
limited
on
what
we
could
do
after
school.
You
know,
it
was
like
do
you
want
to
be
a
nurse,
you
know,
or
do
you
want
to
work
as
a
cook
at
school?
I
mean,
these
are
the
kind
of
choices
they
were
telling
me,
you
know,
and
I
just
remember
thinking
what
…
what
is
this?
You
know,
I’m
sure
there’s
more
to
life
than
this
so
it
would
be
to
say
to
somebody,
you
know,
always
follow
your
dreams
and
you
know,
the
1
thing
I
really
learned
as
well…
from
that
time
was
that
and
I
still
live
with
this…
I
still
live
in
the
hope
that
we
shared
because
that
was
the
one
feeling
we
all
shared
at
the
time.
It
was
hoping
for
a
better
future,
you
know
hope
that
we
can
live
together
more
peacefully
and
love…
you
know,
that
love
is
probably
the
most
important
thing
for
us
all.
Jane Full Interview
Click to play
How
did
you
get
involved
with,
or
what was
your involvement
with
the
Acid
House
scene
in
Blackburn?
Well,
I
was
going
to
the
Hacienda
…
Wednesdays
Fridays
and
Saturday
nights
religiously
every
week
and
then
on
to
the
Kitchen
because
you
know
at
that
time
in
1988-89
the
clubs
had
to
close
at
2
o’clock.
So
we’d
go
to
the
after-hours
club
at
the
Kitchen,
and…
and
that’s
where
I
met
Tommy
Smith
who
was
from
Blackburn
and
we
got
really
friendly
and
then
we
ended
up
seeing
each
other
and
then
after
about
6
months
of
meeting
Tommy,
I
ended
up
moving
to
Blackburn
and
moving
in
with
him
and
Shack
the
DJ
at
the
parties.
And
just
…
just
go
over
what
the
kitchen
was.
The
Kitchen
was
an
after-hours
party
that
was
in
the
Bull
Ring
in
Hulme
which
was
it
was
inner
…
city
Manchester
very
interesting
part
of
Manchester…
very
rundown
old
flats
that
were
built
in
about
the
60s
70s.
It
was
kind
of
like
a
derelict
feeling
down
there.
Although
there
were
some
people
still
living
down
there
and
the
flats,
there
was
2
flats
that
had
been
knocked
into
one
and
it
was
used
as
a
party
venue
for
after
hours
paries
…
after
the
Hac.
I
think
it
used to,
it
was,
…
started
off
as
a
recording
studio,
didn’t
it?
…
…
…
Yeah,
it
did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
What
what’s
your
best
memories
about
about
the
Blackburn
scene
at
the
time
89-90?
D’ya
think?
Oh,
my
best
memories
I
think
for
me
one
of
my
best
memories
is
if
you
can
imagine
this,
so
we’re
all
at
the
Sett End
night
club.
Yeah.
And
the
club
finishes
at
2
o’clock
and
we
leave
the
club.
There’s
about
2000
cars
outside
and
quite
often.
I
would
be
leading
the
convoy.
So
I’d
get
in
my
car,
there’d
be
a
few
hundred
cars
following
me
in
the
convoy.
You’d
be
racing
through
the
town
and
you’d
be
on
your
way
to
the
warehouse
party
and
you’d
probably
have
the
police
on
your
tail
even
at
that
stage.
You’d
get
to
the
party
after
about
20
minutes
half
an
hour…
and
you’d
lock
your
car
quick,
…
…
you’d
run
down
the
street
you’d
get
into
the
warehouse
as
quick
as
you
could
and
by
this
point
definitely
the
police
were
on your
tail,
y’know,
you
literally
had
to
run
as
fast
as
you
could
and
you’d,
you’d
go
in
the
warehouse
and
then
as
soon
as
they
got
as
many
people
in
the
party
they’d
shut
the
doors
the
police
would
be
outside
trying
to
get
in
and
I
mean
this
feeling
of
excitement,
you
know,
getting
to
a
party.
This
is
before
the
party
even
starts,
you
know,
and
then
you’d
be
in
the
party
after
about
10
minutes
everybody,
you
know
had
found
there
places
in
the
party
where
they
were
going
to
hang
out
and
and
then
the
lights
would
go
out
in
the
party
and
you’d
wait
about
30
seconds
it’d
be
complete
silence
you’d
have
10000
people
in
the
party
and
then
you
just
see
one
light
where
the
Technics
decks
were
on
…
you
know,
it
was
where the
needle
was
going
on
the
record
and
then
just
as
the
needle
started
crackling
on
the
record,
you
just
feel
this
wave
like
of
people
just
cheering.
It’s
like
this
wave
that
just
went
right
through
you.
It
was
the
most
amazing
feeling…
and
that
for
me
that
moment
them
few
seconds
was
just
probably
the
best
part
of
the
whole,
you
know
thing
for
me.
It’s
just
the
most
amazing
feeling
that,
you
know,
just…
just
where
it
was
ready
to
take
off.
And
a
feeling
of
relief
as
well.
Okay.
So
what
do
you
have
any
…
negative
memories
about
it?
And
what
are
they?
I
think
for
me
the
negative
side
of
it
was
because
I
was
living
on
the
front
line
at
Whitehead
Street,
…
Where
Shack
and
Tommy
and
I
lived
and
a
few
of
our
friends
also
lived
on
the
street.
We
had
quite
a
lot
of
police
presence
and
police
harassment
quite
early
on
in
the
…
in
the
parties.
…
You
know,
even
though
a
lot
of
other
people
felt
them
later
on
in
the
parties
when
they
were
really
big
we
felt
them
quite
early
on
really.
I
mean
the
presence
wasn’t
that
severe
at
first,
but
it
was
still
there
and
it
was
uncomfortable.
You
know,
you’d
go
to
the
shop
for
a
pint
of
milk
and
somebody
would
stop
you
the
streets.
It’d
be
you
know,
it’d
be
a
police
man
asking
you
questions
and
you
can
very
early
on
we
were
harassed
really.
They
wanted
us
to
know
they
were
there.
You
know,
like
I
know
that
they
were,
they’d
broke
in
the
house
opposite
us
and
they
were
filming
us,
you
know,
you’ve
I
really
felt
infiltrated
from
very
early
on.
I’d
get
about
3
producers
to
go
and
show
all
my
details
for
the
car
at
the
police
station
every
week,
that
was
early
on
as
well.
…
But
you
weren’t
breaking
any
laws
were
you?
…
No.
But
I
think
they
knew
that
yeah,
they
knew
we
weren’t
breaking
any
laws.
So
they
were
just
trying
to
find
ways
of
stopping
it,
as,
as
good
as
they
could
you
know.
So
the
harassment
was
definitely
a
tactic
to
try
and…
I think
you’re
right.
So
any
other
bad
things?
Bad
things,
bad
things
obviously
towards
the
end
of
the
parties
…
the,
there
was
a
gangster
element
and
that
that
was
also
really
really
quite
scary.
I
remember
arriving
at
a
party
one
time
with
Tommy,
think
it
was
in
Great
Harwood.
Crisp Factory.
Yeah,
yeah
and
and
there
was
gangsters
they’d
taken
over
the
door
and
they
let
Tommy
in
but
they
wouldn’t
let
me
in
at
the
door.
They
kept
saying
I
wasn’t
with
him.
In
fact,
they
kept
telling
me
I
was
undercover
Police.
They were
seriously
harrassing me
on
the
door.
I
wanted
to
cry,
you
know,
it
was
really,
really
stressful
and
then
going
in
…
getting
in
that
party,
finally
that
you
know,
they
were
just
winding
me
up.
They
knew
I
weren’t…
they
knew
I
was
with
Tommy
and
just,
you
know,
when
they
felt
like
it
just
went
go
on
in
get
in
now.
They
were
really
horrible
people
these
guys.
And
then
when
I
was
in
there,
it
was
just
like
being
in
hell,
that
party.
After
it
was
the
most
horrendous
atmosphere.
Mmm,
you
know
so…
stories
about
that one,
Yeah,
so
that,
it
was
that
really
but,
you
know
early
on
there
wasn’t
any
you
know,
I
didn’t
have
any
bad
experiences
for
a
long
time.
The
parties
had
been
going
for
quite
a
while,
you
know
a
good
year
before
I
started
to
feel
any
negativity,
anything
horrible.
So
if,
imagine
somebody’s
looking,
researching
Acid
House
parties
in
Blackburn
a
hundred
years
from
now
and
they
come
across
this
archive.
What
message
would
you
have
for
em?
I
think
what
I
learned
from
the
Acid
House
the….
the
culture
and
the
parties
is,
is
that
you
know,
what
we,
what
we
learned
from
this
is
that
anything
we
want
to
do
with
our
life,
we
can
do
you
know.
So
it’s
this
attitude
that
you
can
do
what
you
want,
that
you
can
fulfill
your
dreams.
You
can
follow
your
dreams.
You
don’t
have
to
end
up
in
a
mundane
job,
you
know
because
this
really
taught
us
how
to
follow
our
dreams
it
taught
us
how
to
be
entrepreneurs
and
so
many
people
had
amazing
careers
after
these
parties
because
of
the
inspiration
that
they
felt
at
the
parties,
you
know,
people
became
DJ’s
producers
film
directors
fashion
designers.
You
know
property
developers
whatever
you
want
it
to
be
you
could
be
and
before
this
time,
you
know,
the
mid
80’s
in
Britain
were
very
depressing
times.
You
know,
I
remember
being
in
my
careers
lesson
at
school
and
the
choices
were
very,
they
were
so
limited
on
what
we
could
do
after
school.
You
know,
it
was
like
do
you
want
to
be
a
nurse,
you
know,
or
do
you
want
to
work
as
a
cook
at
school?
I
mean,
these
were
the
kind
of
choices
they
were
telling
me
you
know,
and I
just
remember
thinking
what
that
what
is
this?
You
know,
I’m
sure
there’s
more
to
life
than
this.
So
it
would
be
to
say
to
somebody,
you
know,
always
follow
your
dreams
and
you
know,
the
one
thing
I
really
learned
as
well
from
that
time
was
that
and
I
still
live
with
this,
I
still
live
in
the
hope
that
we
shared
because
that
was
the
one
feeling
we
all
shared
at
the
time.
It
was
hope
for
a
better
future,
you
know.
Hope
that
we
can
can
live
together
more
peacefully
and…
and
love
you
know,
that
love
is
probably
the
most
important
thing
for
us
all.
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How
did
you
get
involved
with,
or
what was
your involvement
with
the
Acid
House
scene
in
Blackburn?
Well,
I
was
going
to
the
Hacienda
…
Wednesdays
Fridays
and
Saturday
nights
religiously
every
week
and
then
on
to
the
Kitchen
because
you
know
at
that
time
in
1988-89
the
clubs
had
to
close
at
2
o’clock.
So
we’d
go
to
the
after-hours
club
at
the
Kitchen,
and…
and
that’s
where
I
met
Tommy
Smith
who
was
from
Blackburn
and
we
got
really
friendly
and
then
we
ended
up
seeing
each
other
and
then
after
about
6
months
of
meeting
Tommy,
I
ended
up
moving
to
Blackburn
and
moving
in
with
him
and
Shack
the
DJ
at
the
parties.
And
just
…
just
go
over
what
the
kitchen
was.
The
Kitchen
was
an
after-hours
party
that
was
in
the
Bull
Ring
in
Hulme
which
was
it
was
inner
…
city
Manchester
very
interesting
part
of
Manchester…
very
rundown
old
flats
that
were
built
in
about
the
60s
70s.
It
was
kind
of
like
a
derelict
feeling
down
there.
Although
there
were
some
people
still
living
down
there
and
the
flats,
there
was
2
flats
that
had
been
knocked
into
one
and
it
was
used
as
a
party
venue
for
after
hours
paries
…
after
the
Hac.
I
think
it
used to,
it
was,
…
started
off
as
a
recording
studio,
didn’t
it?
…
…
…
Yeah,
it
did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
What
what’s
your
best
memories
about
about
the
Blackburn
scene
at
the
time
89-90?
D’ya
think?
Oh,
my
best
memories
I
think
for
me
one
of
my
best
memories
is
if
you
can
imagine
this,
so
we’re
all
at
the
Sett End
night
club.
Yeah.
And
the
club
finishes
at
2
o’clock
and
we
leave
the
club.
There’s
about
2000
cars
outside
and
quite
often.
I
would
be
leading
the
convoy.
So
I’d
get
in
my
car,
there’d
be
a
few
hundred
cars
following
me
in
the
convoy.
You’d
be
racing
through
the
town
and
you’d
be
on
your
way
to
the
warehouse
party
and
you’d
probably
have
the
police
on
your
tail
even
at
that
stage.
You’d
get
to
the
party
after
about
20
minutes
half
an
hour…
and
you’d
lock
your
car
quick,
…
…
you’d
run
down
the
street
you’d
get
into
the
warehouse
as
quick
as
you
could
and
by
this
point
definitely
the
police
were
on your
tail,
y’know,
you
literally
had
to
run
as
fast
as
you
could
and
you’d,
you’d
go
in
the
warehouse
and
then
as
soon
as
they
got
as
many
people
in
the
party
they’d
shut
the
doors
the
police
would
be
outside
trying
to
get
in
and
I
mean
this
feeling
of
excitement,
you
know,
getting
to
a
party.
This
is
before
the
party
even
starts,
you
know,
and
then
you’d
be
in
the
party
after
about
10
minutes
everybody,
you
know
had
found
there
places
in
the
party
where
they
were
going
to
hang
out
and
and
then
the
lights
would
go
out
in
the
party
and
you’d
wait
about
30
seconds
it’d
be
complete
silence
you’d
have
10000
people
in
the
party
and
then
you
just
see
one
light
where
the
Technics
decks
were
on
…
you
know,
it
was
where the
needle
was
going
on
the
record
and
then
just
as
the
needle
started
crackling
on
the
record,
you
just
feel
this
wave
like
of
people
just
cheering.
It’s
like
this
wave
that
just
went
right
through
you.
It
was
the
most
amazing
feeling…
and
that
for
me
that
moment
them
few
seconds
was
just
probably
the
best
part
of
the
whole,
you
know
thing
for
me.
It’s
just
the
most
amazing
feeling
that,
you
know,
just…
just
where
it
was
ready
to
take
off.
And
a
feeling
of
relief
as
well.
Okay.
So
what
do
you
have
any
…
negative
memories
about
it?
And
what
are
they?
I
think
for
me
the
negative
side
of
it
was
because
I
was
living
on
the
front
line
at
Whitehead
Street,
…
Where
Shack
and
Tommy
and
I
lived
and
a
few
of
our
friends
also
lived
on
the
street.
We
had
quite
a
lot
of
police
presence
and
police
harassment
quite
early
on
in
the
…
in
the
parties.
…
You
know,
even
though
a
lot
of
other
people
felt
them
later
on
in
the
parties
when
they
were
really
big
we
felt
them
quite
early
on
really.
I
mean
the
presence
wasn’t
that
severe
at
first,
but
it
was
still
there
and
it
was
uncomfortable.
You
know,
you’d
go
to
the
shop
for
a
pint
of
milk
and
somebody
would
stop
you
the
streets.
It’d
be
you
know,
it’d
be
a
police
man
asking
you
questions
and
you
can
very
early
on
we
were
harassed
really.
They
wanted
us
to
know
they
were
there.
You
know,
like
I
know
that
they
were,
they’d
broke
in
the
house
opposite
us
and
they
were
filming
us,
you
know,
you’ve
I
really
felt
infiltrated
from
very
early
on.
I’d
get
about
3
producers
to
go
and
show
all
my
details
for
the
car
at
the
police
station
every
week,
that
was
early
on
as
well.
…
But
you
weren’t
breaking
any
laws
were
you?
…
No.
But
I
think
they
knew
that
yeah,
they
knew
we
weren’t
breaking
any
laws.
So
they
were
just
trying
to
find
ways
of
stopping
it,
as,
as
good
as
they
could
you
know.
So
the
harassment
was
definitely
a
tactic
to
try
and…
I think
you’re
right.
So
any
other
bad
things?
Bad
things,
bad
things
obviously
towards
the
end
of
the
parties
…
the,
there
was
a
gangster
element
and
that
that
was
also
really
really
quite
scary.
I
remember
arriving
at
a
party
one
time
with
Tommy,
think
it
was
in
Great
Harwood.
Crisp Factory.
Yeah,
yeah
and
and
there
was
gangsters
they’d
taken
over
the
door
and
they
let
Tommy
in
but
they
wouldn’t
let
me
in
at
the
door.
They
kept
saying
I
wasn’t
with
him.
In
fact,
they
kept
telling
me
I
was
undercover
Police.
They were
seriously
harrassing me
on
the
door.
I
wanted
to
cry,
you
know,
it
was
really,
really
stressful
and
then
going
in
…
getting
in
that
party,
finally
that
you
know,
they
were
just
winding
me
up.
They
knew
I
weren’t…
they
knew
I
was
with
Tommy
and
just,
you
know,
when
they
felt
like
it
just
went
go
on
in
get
in
now.
They
were
really
horrible
people
these
guys.
And
then
when
I
was
in
there,
it
was
just
like
being
in
hell,
that
party.
After
it
was
the
most
horrendous
atmosphere.
Mmm,
you
know
so…
stories
about
that one,
Yeah,
so
that,
it
was
that
really
but,
you
know
early
on
there
wasn’t
any
you
know,
I
didn’t
have
any
bad
experiences
for
a
long
time.
The
parties
had
been
going
for
quite
a
while,
you
know
a
good
year
before
I
started
to
feel
any
negativity,
anything
horrible.
So
if,
imagine
somebody’s
looking,
researching
Acid
House
parties
in
Blackburn
a
hundred
years
from
now
and
they
come
across
this
archive.
What
message
would
you
have
for
em?
I
think
what
I
learned
from
the
Acid
House
the….
the
culture
and
the
parties
is,
is
that
you
know,
what
we,
what
we
learned
from
this
is
that
anything
we
want
to
do
with
our
life,
we
can
do
you
know.
So
it’s
this
attitude
that
you
can
do
what
you
want,
that
you
can
fulfill
your
dreams.
You
can
follow
your
dreams.
You
don’t
have
to
end
up
in
a
mundane
job,
you
know
because
this
really
taught
us
how
to
follow
our
dreams
it
taught
us
how
to
be
entrepreneurs
and
so
many
people
had
amazing
careers
after
these
parties
because
of
the
inspiration
that
they
felt
at
the
parties,
you
know,
people
became
DJ’s
producers
film
directors
fashion
designers.
You
know
property
developers
whatever
you
want
it
to
be
you
could
be
and
before
this
time,
you
know,
the
mid
80’s
in
Britain
were
very
depressing
times.
You
know,
I
remember
being
in
my
careers
lesson
at
school
and
the
choices
were
very,
they
were
so
limited
on
what
we
could
do
after
school.
You
know,
it
was
like
do
you
want
to
be
a
nurse,
you
know,
or
do
you
want
to
work
as
a
cook
at
school?
I
mean,
these
were
the
kind
of
choices
they
were
telling
me
you
know,
and I
just
remember
thinking
what
that
what
is
this?
You
know,
I’m
sure
there’s
more
to
life
than
this.
So
it
would
be
to
say
to
somebody,
you
know,
always
follow
your
dreams
and
you
know,
the
one
thing
I
really
learned
as
well
from
that
time
was
that
and
I
still
live
with
this,
I
still
live
in
the
hope
that
we
shared
because
that
was
the
one
feeling
we
all
shared
at
the
time.
It
was
hope
for
a
better
future,
you
know.
Hope
that
we
can
can
live
together
more
peacefully
and…
and
love
you
know,
that
love
is
probably
the
most
important
thing
for
us
all.
Jay Getting Involved
Click to play
And
err
where
did
you
live
at the
time
Jay?
I
lived
in
Manchester.
And
how
old
were
you
at
that
time?
I
was
19
How
did
you
get
involved?
I’d
been
DJing
quite
successfully
in
Manchester
….
at
the
Thunderdome
which
was
a
real
seminal
underground
club
that
was
really
popular
and
I
think
we
just
heard
about
it
word-of-mouth.
really
err
Jimmy
who was
Tommy’s
brother.
He’d
been
coming
to
the
Thunderdome,
but
there
was
just
massive
convoys
of
cars
anyway
going
up
to
Blackburn.
So
that’s
how
I
got
involved
really.
Had
you
even
heard
about
them
before?
Yeah,
I
think…
I
had
yeah,
yeah,
yeah
cotton mills
and
things
like
that
but
not
as far
as
a
music
scene
goes.
So
what
we’re
asking
people
generally…
what
are
your
best
memories
about
it?
Like
….
how
do
you
remember
that
time?
In
general
or
at
Blackburn?
Blackburn.
It
was…
it
was
very
free
it
was
us
against
….
them
society
it
really
was
really
a
time
that
you
really
felt
a part
of
something
I bet
a
lot
of
people
have
said
that
but
even
for
you
know
as
a
DJ
and
you
know,
you
had
quite
a
following…
to
see
that
massive
huge
influx
of
people
from
all
over
the
country
was
still
an
unbelievable
sight
and
an
unbelievable
thing
to
feel
like
you
were
part
of…
it
sort
of
blew
blew
your
mind.
It
it
really
made
you
feel
like
you
were
part
of
something
quite
special.
What
were
the
key
parties from
Blackburn for you?
To
be
honest,
I
have
the
horrific
memories
of…
of
where
and
when
even of
me,
you
know,
a
lot
of
me…
me
own
gigs
that…
I
wouldn’t
say
I
have
any
particular
names
of
it
because
everything’s
a
blur
don’t
forget
before
I’d
go
to
Blackburn
I’d
be
playing
for
four
6
7
8
hours
and
then
I’d
go
up
there
so
specifics
of
the
names
of
the
parties…
that
I
can’t
really
recall
so
that…
…
…
…
Are
there
any
moment
in
any
of
them
that
you
would
recall
call?
Yeah,
I
mean
there
was
there
was…
there
was…
lots
of
moments
I
think
when
my
friend
Suddi
Ravel
when
they
played
his
tune
Hardcore
Uproar
…
…
that…
really
sticks
out
for
me.
I
think
it
sort
of
blurs
into
one
it
was
just
that
that
it’s
like
a
lot
of
gigs
that
i’ve
done
anyway
the
it’s
just
the
overall
feeling
of
it.
You
know
that
massive
huge
amount
of
people
…
it’s
almost
like
being
at a
football
stadium,
but
it’s
a
club
and
that
was
before
the
days
of…
sort
of…
super
clubs
and
and
huge
massive
venues
it
was
the
biggest
group
of
people
just
going
absolutely
wild
they had
no
worries.
It
was
just
pure
gay
abandon
…
which
you
probably
couldn’t
use
gay
abandon
in
the
same
context,
back
then
but you
can
nowadays
really.
Full Transcript:
And
err
where
did
you
live
at the
time
Jay?
I
lived
in
Manchester.
And
how
old
were
you
at
that
time?
I
was
19
How
did
you
get
involved?
I’d
been
DJing
quite
successfully
in
Manchester
….
at
the
Thunderdome
which
was
a
real
seminal
underground
club
that
was
really
popular
and
I
think
we
just
heard
about
it
word-of-mouth.
really
err
Jimmy
who was
Tommy’s
brother.
He’d
been
coming
to
the
Thunderdome,
but
there
was
just
massive
convoys
of
cars
anyway
going
up
to
Blackburn.
So
that’s
how
I
got
involved
really.
Had
you
even
heard
about
them
before?
Yeah,
I
think…
I
had
yeah,
yeah,
yeah
cotton mills
and
things
like
that
but
not
as far
as
a
music
scene
goes.
So
what
we’re
asking
people
generally…
what
are
your
best
memories
about
it?
Like
….
how
do
you
remember
that
time?
In
general
or
at
Blackburn?
Blackburn.
It
was…
it
was
very
free
it
was
us
against
….
them
society
it
really
was
really
a
time
that
you
really
felt
a part
of
something
I bet
a
lot
of
people
have
said
that
but
even
for
you
know
as
a
DJ
and
you
know,
you
had
quite
a
following…
to
see
that
massive
huge
influx
of
people
from
all
over
the
country
was
still
an
unbelievable
sight
and
an
unbelievable
thing
to
feel
like
you
were
part
of…
it
sort
of
blew
blew
your
mind.
It
it
really
made
you
feel
like
you
were
part
of
something
quite
special.
What
were
the
key
parties from
Blackburn for you?
To
be
honest,
I
have
the
horrific
memories
of…
of
where
and
when
even of
me,
you
know,
a
lot
of
me…
me
own
gigs
that…
I
wouldn’t
say
I
have
any
particular
names
of
it
because
everything’s
a
blur
don’t
forget
before
I’d
go
to
Blackburn
I’d
be
playing
for
four
6
7
8
hours
and
then
I’d
go
up
there
so
specifics
of
the
names
of
the
parties…
that
I
can’t
really
recall
so
that…
…
…
…
Are
there
any
moment
in
any
of
them
that
you
would
recall
call?
Yeah,
I
mean
there
was
there
was…
there
was…
lots
of
moments
I
think
when
my
friend
Suddi
Ravel
when
they
played
his
tune
Hardcore
Uproar
…
…
that…
really
sticks
out
for
me.
I
think
it
sort
of
blurs
into
one
it
was
just
that
that
it’s
like
a
lot
of
gigs
that
i’ve
done
anyway
the
it’s
just
the
overall
feeling
of
it.
You
know
that
massive
huge
amount
of
people
…
it’s
almost
like
being
at a
football
stadium,
but
it’s
a
club
and
that
was
before
the
days
of…
sort
of…
super
clubs
and
and
huge
massive
venues
it
was
the
biggest
group
of
people
just
going
absolutely
wild
they had
no
worries.
It
was
just
pure
gay
abandon
…
which
you
probably
couldn’t
use
gay
abandon
in
the
same
context,
back
then
but you
can
nowadays
really.
Jay Bad Memories
Click to play
Are
than
a
and
dark
memories
associated
with
it.
Err..
yeah
I
think
you
know
that
the
way
that
the
police
treated
you
the
police
brutality
…
I
mean
there
was…
some
funny
stories
with
the
police,
but
then
you
know
the
the…
how
brutal
they
were
because
I
think
they
had
to
find
a
way
of
containing
us…
and
they
sort
of
contained
us in
the
same
way
they’d
contain
football
hooligans
the
same
way
they’d
contained
tried
to
contain
the
miners
with
just…
with
violence
and
force
really
but
I
remember
after
one
party
it
was
it
was
like
I
actually
was
being
driven
there
in
a
car
by
Tommy’s
brother
Jimmy
and
it
was
really
icy
and
that
the
Mini
actually
as
we
drove
up
it
did
a
full
360
we
thought
we
were
going
to…
we
were
going
to
die…
and it did
a
full
360
stopped
and
we
got
out
of
the
car
couldn’t
believe
we
were
alive
and
then
the
police
are
asking
all
the
party
heads
that
were
coming
out
completely
out
of
the
minds
but
trying
to
take
surveys
off
them.
Can
you
imagine
people
have
been
up
for
all
night?
And
it’s
like
6 or 7
and it’s
like
bright
light
and
everybody’s
coming
out
with
huge
eyes
and…
What
was
it…?
It was
just the
most
bizarre
ridiculous
thing…
I
can’t even
remember…
it’s
like
30
odd
…
it’s
30
years
ago.
So
they
were
just
asking….
it was
it
was…
it
was
a
questionnaire!
So
you’ve
got
all
these
police
asking
that
probably
where
they
come from
where
they’d
come
from
how
far
they
traveled
who
they
knew
there
and
i’d
love
to
read
them…
they must
be
in
an
archive
somewhere…
I’d
love
to
see
some
of
the
answers
that
actually
came
back
from
that.
It
was…
a
it
was
probably
the
most
bizarre
thing
I’ve
ever
seen
there.
I
think
I
think
they
were
really
really
confused
at
the
time
like
this is
suddenly
happening
here…
why?
You
know,
and
I
remember
those
…
I
remember
people
being
…
interviewed
afterwards
on
the
way
out.
Yeah,
it
was
where’ve
you
driven
from.
Mmm..
but
you
were
never
going
to
get
you
know,
a
sensible
answer
no
matter
what
it
was.
It
was
just
ridiculous,
but
they
couldn’t
understand
it.
I
say
it
was
just
this
it’s
like
any
cultural
revolution
the
people
of
a
certain
…
age
just
haven’t
got
a
clue.
They
just
can’t
understand
why
all
these
people
are
coming
here
doing
this
and
it
just
blew
the
minds
really
and
they
couldn’t
go
that
you
talked
about
cultural
revolution
for
you
it
was
it
was
it
was
more
than
you playin’
records
it was
music
it was
clothes.
It
was
a
full
it
was
a
big
thing
for
you,
wasn’t
it?
It
was
more
than
just
going
out.
Oh,
definitely.
I
mean,
I’ve
been
very
lucky
I’ve
experienced,
you
know
the
other
side
of
life
and
to
play
you
know
in
some
where
like
that
to
have
that
much
contained
energy.
It’s
a
very
hard
feeling
to
describe.
It’s
such
a
positive
thing.
It’s
such
a
healing
thing
really
for
society
and
…
it
was
quite
dark
times
really
n’
you
know
in
the
late
80s
and
mid
to
late
80s
it
in
the
North West
you
know,
we’d
had
you
know
years
of
you
know
unemployment
…
and
football
hooliganism,
you
know
a
lot
of…
a
lot
of
violence
really
happening.
And
you
know
Thatcherism
It
…
it
was…
so
it…
to
have
that
release
and
to
have
that
unbelievable
positivity
and
have
all
these
groups
…
I
mean in
Blackburn
you
had
gangsters
you
had
football
hooligans,
you
know
from
all
over
the
place.
You
would
never
want
to
mix
with
in
a
club
or
if
you
did
if
you
knock…
nudged
them
they’d
kick
the
s***
out
of
you…
but
they
didn’t
everybody
was
together
everybody
didn’t
care.
Nobody
was
interested
in
copping
…
off
with
people.
It
was
just
all
about
the
moment.
It
was
very
primeval.
Very
tribal.
I
mean,
I’ve
looked
at
my
own
kids,
you
know,
there’s
something
inside
you
that
wants
to
dance,
you
know,
nobody’s
taught
my
baby
daughter
to
dance
but
you
hear
some
music
and
she
and…
and…
it
stirs
something
inside
you
and…
and
it
and…
and
I
think
what
the
guys
did
was
such
an
important
such
and
brave
thing.
I
mean
they
suffered,
you
know
for
years
for
what
they
did.
And don’t
really
get
the
plaudits
for you
know
how
brave
and
for
what
innovators
…
they
were
really
a
lot
of
the
scene
now
is
it
was
built
on
what
these
guys
did.
Full Transcript:
Are
than
a
and
dark
memories
associated
with
it.
Err..
yeah
I
think
you
know
that
the
way
that
the
police
treated
you
the
police
brutality
…
I
mean
there
was…
some
funny
stories
with
the
police,
but
then
you
know
the
the…
how
brutal
they
were
because
I
think
they
had
to
find
a
way
of
containing
us…
and
they
sort
of
contained
us in
the
same
way
they’d
contain
football
hooligans
the
same
way
they’d
contained
tried
to
contain
the
miners
with
just…
with
violence
and
force
really
but
I
remember
after
one
party
it
was
it
was
like
I
actually
was
being
driven
there
in
a
car
by
Tommy’s
brother
Jimmy
and
it
was
really
icy
and
that
the
Mini
actually
as
we
drove
up
it
did
a
full
360
we
thought
we
were
going
to…
we
were
going
to
die…
and it did
a
full
360
stopped
and
we
got
out
of
the
car
couldn’t
believe
we
were
alive
and
then
the
police
are
asking
all
the
party
heads
that
were
coming
out
completely
out
of
the
minds
but
trying
to
take
surveys
off
them.
Can
you
imagine
people
have
been
up
for
all
night?
And
it’s
like
6 or 7
and it’s
like
bright
light
and
everybody’s
coming
out
with
huge
eyes
and…
What
was
it…?
It was
just the
most
bizarre
ridiculous
thing…
I
can’t even
remember…
it’s
like
30
odd
…
it’s
30
years
ago.
So
they
were
just
asking….
it was
it
was…
it
was
a
questionnaire!
So
you’ve
got
all
these
police
asking
that
probably
where
they
come from
where
they’d
come
from
how
far
they
traveled
who
they
knew
there
and
i’d
love
to
read
them…
they must
be
in
an
archive
somewhere…
I’d
love
to
see
some
of
the
answers
that
actually
came
back
from
that.
It
was…
a
it
was
probably
the
most
bizarre
thing
I’ve
ever
seen
there.
I
think
I
think
they
were
really
really
confused
at
the
time
like
this is
suddenly
happening
here…
why?
You
know,
and
I
remember
those
…
I
remember
people
being
…
interviewed
afterwards
on
the
way
out.
Yeah,
it
was
where’ve
you
driven
from.
Mmm..
but
you
were
never
going
to
get
you
know,
a
sensible
answer
no
matter
what
it
was.
It
was
just
ridiculous,
but
they
couldn’t
understand
it.
I
say
it
was
just
this
it’s
like
any
cultural
revolution
the
people
of
a
certain
…
age
just
haven’t
got
a
clue.
They
just
can’t
understand
why
all
these
people
are
coming
here
doing
this
and
it
just
blew
the
minds
really
and
they
couldn’t
go
that
you
talked
about
cultural
revolution
for
you
it
was
it
was
it
was
more
than
you playin’
records
it was
music
it was
clothes.
It
was
a
full
it
was
a
big
thing
for
you,
wasn’t
it?
It
was
more
than
just
going
out.
Oh,
definitely.
I
mean,
I’ve
been
very
lucky
I’ve
experienced,
you
know
the
other
side
of
life
and
to
play
you
know
in
some
where
like
that
to
have
that
much
contained
energy.
It’s
a
very
hard
feeling
to
describe.
It’s
such
a
positive
thing.
It’s
such
a
healing
thing
really
for
society
and
…
it
was
quite
dark
times
really
n’
you
know
in
the
late
80s
and
mid
to
late
80s
it
in
the
North West
you
know,
we’d
had
you
know
years
of
you
know
unemployment
…
and
football
hooliganism,
you
know
a
lot
of…
a
lot
of
violence
really
happening.
And
you
know
Thatcherism
It
…
it
was…
so
it…
to
have
that
release
and
to
have
that
unbelievable
positivity
and
have
all
these
groups
…
I
mean in
Blackburn
you
had
gangsters
you
had
football
hooligans,
you
know
from
all
over
the
place.
You
would
never
want
to
mix
with
in
a
club
or
if
you
did
if
you
knock…
nudged
them
they’d
kick
the
s***
out
of
you…
but
they
didn’t
everybody
was
together
everybody
didn’t
care.
Nobody
was
interested
in
copping
…
off
with
people.
It
was
just
all
about
the
moment.
It
was
very
primeval.
Very
tribal.
I
mean,
I’ve
looked
at
my
own
kids,
you
know,
there’s
something
inside
you
that
wants
to
dance,
you
know,
nobody’s
taught
my
baby
daughter
to
dance
but
you
hear
some
music
and
she
and…
and…
it
stirs
something
inside
you
and…
and
it
and…
and
I
think
what
the
guys
did
was
such
an
important
such
and
brave
thing.
I
mean
they
suffered,
you
know
for
years
for
what
they
did.
And don’t
really
get
the
plaudits
for you
know
how
brave
and
for
what
innovators
…
they
were
really
a
lot
of
the
scene
now
is
it
was
built
on
what
these
guys
did.
Jay Life Afterwards
Click to play
When
it
stopped
at
least
in
Blackburn,
what
was
your
story?
You
mean
you’ve
carried
on
going…
I
carried
on
DJing
yeah
I carried
on
being
a…
I
DJ’d
…
really
successfully
for
years
and
what…
one
of
the
main
things
that
stopped
me
was
was
the
crime
in
Manchester
the
gun
crime
and
and
club
clubs
closing
down
and
I
got
tired.
I
was
like…
I
was
a
young…
young
boy
at
the
time.
I
was
23
at…
I started
when
I
was
18
and
I
was
dealing
with
gangsters
and
scum
and
I had to
have scum
working
on
the
door
for
me
to
stop
stop
the
scum
coming
in.
So
I
stopped
at
23
and
then
started
I
started back
again
about
10
years
ago
and
have
been
successful,
you
know
again,
but
it
was
it
was
it
was
hard
really
anything
where
there’s
you
know,
…
money
involved
and
that
creeped
into
Blackburn
as
well
where
you
know,
the
gangsters
from
Manchester
came
in
and
started
y’know
taking
money
on
on
the
doors
but
when
that
started
for
me
I
stopped
going
to
Blackburn
to
be
honest
because
it
it
it had
become
something
that
you
know
that
I
didn’t
want
to
be
part
of
really
in
the
end
and
I’ve
and
it
wasn’t
the
same
scene
for
me.
Full Transcript:
When
it
stopped
at
least
in
Blackburn,
what
was
your
story?
You
mean
you’ve
carried
on
going…
I
carried
on
DJing
yeah
I carried
on
being
a…
I
DJ’d
…
really
successfully
for
years
and
what…
one
of
the
main
things
that
stopped
me
was
was
the
crime
in
Manchester
the
gun
crime
and
and
club
clubs
closing
down
and
I
got
tired.
I
was
like…
I
was
a
young…
young
boy
at
the
time.
I
was
23
at…
I started
when
I
was
18
and
I
was
dealing
with
gangsters
and
scum
and
I had to
have scum
working
on
the
door
for
me
to
stop
stop
the
scum
coming
in.
So
I
stopped
at
23
and
then
started
I
started back
again
about
10
years
ago
and
have
been
successful,
you
know
again,
but
it
was
it
was
it
was
hard
really
anything
where
there’s
you
know,
…
money
involved
and
that
creeped
into
Blackburn
as
well
where
you
know,
the
gangsters
from
Manchester
came
in
and
started
y’know
taking
money
on
on
the
doors
but
when
that
started
for
me
I
stopped
going
to
Blackburn
to
be
honest
because
it
it
it had
become
something
that
you
know
that
I
didn’t
want
to
be
part
of
really
in
the
end
and
I’ve
and
it
wasn’t
the
same
scene
for
me.
Jay Advice For Future Generations Part 1
Click to play
What
do
you
mean
by
that
for
someone
listening
to this
in
100
years?
What
does
that
mean?
What
did
they
do?
What
was
this?
What
was
what
was
brave
about
what
they
did?
They
committed
they
committed
crimes
in
…
for
the
youth
really
for
us to
us
to
have
good
times
and…
and
got
arrested
and
they
were
much
braver
than
you
know
than…
I
wouldn’t
have
done
that
personally
…
you
know,
I…
as
you
can
probably
tell
from
my
accent
I
didn’t
grow
up
in
like
the
poshest
…
part
of
the
city in
Manchester,
but
they…
they
were
really
at
the
edge,
you
know,
they
were…
they
were…
they
really
wanted
and
believed
in
the
scene
and
believed
in
you
know…
fighting
for
the
right
to
party,
you
know,
they
wanted
to
fight
against
society
and
what
was
sort
of
dumbing
us
down…
and
I
think
we
all
changed
from
that
moment
society
changed
the
kids
changed
we…
I
think
we
believed
you
could…
you
could…
do
things
you
could
mix
more…
I
know
myself…
often
in
the
city
I
lived
in
you
were
very
separate
you
were
you
lived
in
there…
you
lived
in
there…
you
very
rarely
mixed
with
other
people
from
and
even
when
your…
….
even
the
towns
within
…
Manchester
you
had
yer’
own
gangs
and
your
own…
that
wouldn’t…
that
wouldn’t
mix
with
each
other
and
that
was
exacerbated
by
the
Hip-hop.
scene…
as
well
in
Manchester
the
difference
between
the
Hip Hop
scene
and
an
Acid
House
was
that
Hip Hop
you
were
sort
of
against
each
other.
You
would be
dancing
against
each
other.
The
DJs
were
rivals
you
didn’t
have
that
in
the
Acid
House
scene
you
were
all
one
family
were
all
one
people…
you
were
all
dancing
together.
You
wouldn’t
it
wasn’t
a
competition.
You
didn’t
have
to
be
a
great
dancer.
I
dance
like
a
right
nobhead
…
but
you
could
you
know
you…
it
didn’t
matter.
You
just
expressed
yourself.
You
didn’t
have
to
body-pop.
…
There
was
no…
there
was
no
structure
to
it.
And
I
think
that
was
what
was
so
good.
That
was
the
freedom
that
you…
you
know,
you
could
just
be
free
and
in
a
time
where
you
were
being
pushed
down
and
knuckled
down
and…
and…
and…
a
lot
of
the
youth
was
a
bit
lost
and
they
probably
didn’t
have
many
prospects,
you
know,
and at
that
time…
and
a
lot
of
people
didn’t
work
but
people
lived
for
the
weekend
and
it
gave
them
hope.
I
think
if
we
didn’t
have
that…
and
I
always
remember,
you
know,
Tommy
saying
…
we’re
high
on
hope
and
we
were
you
know,
I
think
it
was
such
an
important…
and
you
can
speak
to
anybody
who
went
to it…
it was
such
an
important
part
of
people’s
lives.
It
really
was.
Full Transcript:
What
do
you
mean
by
that
for
someone
listening
to this
in
100
years?
What
does
that
mean?
What
did
they
do?
What
was
this?
What
was
what
was
brave
about
what
they
did?
They
committed
they
committed
crimes
in
…
for
the
youth
really
for
us to
us
to
have
good
times
and…
and
got
arrested
and
they
were
much
braver
than
you
know
than…
I
wouldn’t
have
done
that
personally
…
you
know,
I…
as
you
can
probably
tell
from
my
accent
I
didn’t
grow
up
in
like
the
poshest
…
part
of
the
city in
Manchester,
but
they…
they
were
really
at
the
edge,
you
know,
they
were…
they
were…
they
really
wanted
and
believed
in
the
scene
and
believed
in
you
know…
fighting
for
the
right
to
party,
you
know,
they
wanted
to
fight
against
society
and
what
was
sort
of
dumbing
us
down…
and
I
think
we
all
changed
from
that
moment
society
changed
the
kids
changed
we…
I
think
we
believed
you
could…
you
could…
do
things
you
could
mix
more…
I
know
myself…
often
in
the
city
I
lived
in
you
were
very
separate
you
were
you
lived
in
there…
you
lived
in
there…
you
very
rarely
mixed
with
other
people
from
and
even
when
your…
….
even
the
towns
within
…
Manchester
you
had
yer’
own
gangs
and
your
own…
that
wouldn’t…
that
wouldn’t
mix
with
each
other
and
that
was
exacerbated
by
the
Hip-hop.
scene…
as
well
in
Manchester
the
difference
between
the
Hip Hop
scene
and
an
Acid
House
was
that
Hip Hop
you
were
sort
of
against
each
other.
You
would be
dancing
against
each
other.
The
DJs
were
rivals
you
didn’t
have
that
in
the
Acid
House
scene
you
were
all
one
family
were
all
one
people…
you
were
all
dancing
together.
You
wouldn’t
it
wasn’t
a
competition.
You
didn’t
have
to
be
a
great
dancer.
I
dance
like
a
right
nobhead
…
but
you
could
you
know
you…
it
didn’t
matter.
You
just
expressed
yourself.
You
didn’t
have
to
body-pop.
…
There
was
no…
there
was
no
structure
to
it.
And
I
think
that
was
what
was
so
good.
That
was
the
freedom
that
you…
you
know,
you
could
just
be
free
and
in
a
time
where
you
were
being
pushed
down
and
knuckled
down
and…
and…
and…
a
lot
of
the
youth
was
a
bit
lost
and
they
probably
didn’t
have
many
prospects,
you
know,
and at
that
time…
and
a
lot
of
people
didn’t
work
but
people
lived
for
the
weekend
and
it
gave
them
hope.
I
think
if
we
didn’t
have
that…
and
I
always
remember,
you
know,
Tommy
saying
…
we’re
high
on
hope
and
we
were
you
know,
I
think
it
was
such
an
important…
and
you
can
speak
to
anybody
who
went
to it…
it was
such
an
important
part
of
people’s
lives.
It
really
was.
Jay Advice For Future Generations Part 2
Click to play
In
a
100
years
time
some
kids
going
to
be
listening
to
this.
What
would
you
say
to
them?
What
would
I
say
to
them?
Be
brave..
enjoy
your
life.
When
you’re
young
live
for
the
moment
life
is
to
be
enjoyed
…
appreciate
everything
around
you
appreciate
other
people
and…
we’re
all
actually
the
same
if
and I
think
that’s
another
thing
that
you
know…
it
taught
us
that
we
are
all
the
same
and
and
it…
and…
…
it
took
away
race
at
that
time…
it
took
away
gender
it
took
it
took
away
…
religion.
Because
before
that
I
think
we
were
very
separate
as
I
said,
so
it
really
opened
a
lot
of
people’s
eyes
and
sadly
in
in
the
last
4
or
5
years
I’ve
seen
that
really
come
back
come
back,
you
know
the
separation
and
division
of
people.
For
a
number
of
years
after
sort
of
89…
that…
that
totally
disappeared
and
I
think
people
have
really
lost
sight
of…
and
as
people
get
older
they
lose
sight
of
just
enjoying
life…
just
enjoy
your
life…
and
don’t
think
too
deeply…
and
every
person
is
exactly
the
same
as
you…
they’re
no
better
than…
or
worse.
That’s
what I
would
say.
Full Transcript:
In
a
100
years
time
some
kids
going
to
be
listening
to
this.
What
would
you
say
to
them?
What
would
I
say
to
them?
Be
brave..
enjoy
your
life.
When
you’re
young
live
for
the
moment
life
is
to
be
enjoyed
…
appreciate
everything
around
you
appreciate
other
people
and…
we’re
all
actually
the
same
if
and I
think
that’s
another
thing
that
you
know…
it
taught
us
that
we
are
all
the
same
and
and
it…
and…
…
it
took
away
race
at
that
time…
it
took
away
gender
it
took
it
took
away
…
religion.
Because
before
that
I
think
we
were
very
separate
as
I
said,
so
it
really
opened
a
lot
of
people’s
eyes
and
sadly
in
in
the
last
4
or
5
years
I’ve
seen
that
really
come
back
come
back,
you
know
the
separation
and
division
of
people.
For
a
number
of
years
after
sort
of
89…
that…
that
totally
disappeared
and
I
think
people
have
really
lost
sight
of…
and
as
people
get
older
they
lose
sight
of
just
enjoying
life…
just
enjoy
your
life…
and
don’t
think
too
deeply…
and
every
person
is
exactly
the
same
as
you…
they’re
no
better
than…
or
worse.
That’s
what I
would
say.
Jay Full Interview
Click to play
How
did
you
get
involved?
I’d
been
DJing
quite
successfully
in
Manchester
at
the
Thunderdome
which
was
a
real
seminal
underground
club
that
was
really
popular
and
I
think
we
just
heard
about
it
word-of-mouth.
really
err
Jimmy
who was
Tommy’s
brother.
He’d been
coming
to
the
Thunderdome,
but
there
was
just
massive
convoys
of
cars
anyway
going
up
to
Blackburn.
So
that’s
how
I
got
involved
really.
Had
you
even
heard
about
them
before?
Yeah,
I
think…
I
had
yeah,
yeah,
yeah
cotton mills
and
things
like
that
but
not
as far
as
a
music
scene
goes.
So
what
we’re
asking
people
generally…
what
are
your
best
memories
about
it?
Like
how
do
you
remember
that
time?
In
general
or
at
Blackburn?
Blackburn.
It
was
it
was
very
free
it
was
it
was
us
against
them
society
it really
was
really a
time
that
you
really
felt
a part
of
something
I bet
a
lot
of
people
have
said
that
but
even
even
for
you
know
as
a
DJ
and
you
know,
you
had
quite
a
following…
to
see
that
massive
huge
influx
of
people
from
all
over
the
country
was
still
an
unbelievable
sight
and
an
unbelievable
thing
to
feel
like
you
were
part
of…
it
sort
of
blew
blew
your
mind.
It
it
really
made
you
feel
like
you
were
part
of
something
quite
special.
What
were
the
key
parties
from
Backburn
for you?
To
be
honest,
I
have
the
horrific
memories
of
where
and
when
even of
me,
you
know,
a
lot
of
me…
me
own
gigs
that…
I
wouldn’t
say
I
have
any
particular
names
of
it
because
everything’s
a
blur
don’t
forget
before
I’d
go
to
Blackburn
I’d
be
playing
for
4
6
7
8
hours
and
then
I’d
go
up
there
so
specifics
of
the
names
of
the
parties…
that
I
can’t
really
recall
so
that…
Are
there
any
moment
in
any
of
them
that
you
would
recall
call?
Yeah,
I
mean
there
was
there
was…
there
was…
lots
of
moments
I
think
when
my
friend
Suddi
Ravel
when
they
played
his
tune
Hardcore
Uproar
that…
really
sticks
out
for
me.
I
think
it
sort of
blurs
into
one
it
was
just
that
that
it’s
like
a
lot
of
gigs
that
i’ve
done
anyway
the
it’s
just
the
overall
feeling
of
it.
You
know
that
massive
huge
amount
of
people
it’s
almost
like
being
at a
football
stadium,
but
it’s
a
club
and
that
was
before
the
days
of…
sort
of…
super
clubs
and
and
huge
massive
venues
it
was
the
biggest
group
of
people
just
going
absolutely
wild
they
had
no
worries.
It
was
just
pure
gay
abandon
which
you
probably
couldn’t
use
gay
abandon
in
the
same
context,
back
then
but you
can
nowadays
really.
Are there
any
dark
memories
associated
with
any
of
it?
Yeah.
I
think
you
know
that
the
way
that
the
police
treated
you
the
police
brutality
I
mean
it
was
some
funny
stories
with
the
police,
but
then
you
know
the
the
how
brutal
they
were
because
I
think
they
had
to
find
a
way
of
containing
us
and
they
sort
of
contained
us
in
the
same
way
the
contain
football
hooligans
the
same
way
they
contain
try
to
contain
the
miners
with
just
with
violence
and
force
realy
but
I
remember
after
one
party
it
was
it
was
like
I had
actually
was
being
driven
there
in
a
car
by
Tommy’s
brother
Jimmy
and
it
was
really
icy
and
the
the
mini
actually
as
we
drove
up
it
did
a
full
360
we
thought
we
were
going
to
we
were
going
to
die
and
he
did
a
full
360
stops
and
we
got
out
of
the
car
couldn’t
believe
we
were
alive
and
then
the
police
are
asking
all
the
party
heads
that
were coming
out
completely
out
of
the
mines,
but
trying
to
take
surveys
of
them.
Can
you
imagine
people
have
been
up
for
all
night
and
it’s
like
6
or
7
it’s
like
bright
light
and
everybody’s
coming
out
with
huge
eyes
and
what
it
was
just
the
most
bizarre
ridiculous
thing.
I
can’t
remember
its
30-odd
years
ago
and
it’s
30
years
ago
so
they
were
just
asking
are
there
was
it
was
a
questionnaire
so
you’ve
got
all
these
police
asking
that
probably
where
the
where
they’d
come
from
how
far
they
traveled
who
the
knew
there
and
I’d
of
loved
they
must
be
in
an
archive
somewhere
I’d
love
to
see
some
of
the
answers
that
actually
came
back
from
that
it
was
a
it
was
probably
the
most
bizarre
thing
I’ve
ever
seen
there.
I
think
I
think
they
were
really
really
confused
at
the
time
like
this
is
suddenly
happening
here
why
you
know,
I
remember
those
I
remember
people
being
interviewed
interviewed
afterwards
on
the
way
out.
Yeah,
and
it
was
where
have you driven
from?
But
you
were
never
going
to
get
you
know,
a
sensible
answer
no
matter
how
it
was
it
was
just
ridiculous
but
they
couldn’t
understand
it.
Like you
say
it
was
just
this
is
like
any
cultural
revolution
the
people
of
a
certain
age
just
haven’t
got
a
clue
they
just
can’t
understand
why
all
these
people
are
coming
here
doing
this
and
it
just
blew
their
minds
really
and
they
couldn’t
cope
That
you
talked
about
cultural
revolution
for
you
it
was
it
was
more
than
playing records
and
music
and
clothes
it
was
a
full
it
was
a
big
thing
for
you
wasn’t
it
was
more
than
just
going
out.
Oh,
definitely.
I
mean,
I’ve
been
very
lucky
I’ve
experienced,
you
know
the
other
side
of
it
and
to
play,
you
know,
in
somewhere
like
that
to
have
that
much
contained
energy.
It’s
a
very
hard
feeling
to
describe.
It’s
such
a
positive
thing.
It’s
such
a
healing
thing
really
for
society
and
and
it
was
quite
dark
times
really
in
in
you
know
in
the
late
80s
and
mid
to
late
eighties
it
in
the
Northwest,
you
know,
we’d
had
you
know
years
of
you
know
unemployment
and
football
hooliganism,
you
know,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
violence
really
happening
and
you
know
factories
and
it
It
wasn’t
so
to
to
have
that
release
and
to
have
that
unbelievable
positivity
and
have
all
these
groups
you
I
mean
Blackburn
you
add
gangsters
you
had
football
Hooligans,
you
know
from
all
over
the
place
you
would
never
want
to
mix
with
in
a
club
or
if
you
did
if
you
knocked
nudged
em
the
kick
the
s***
out
of
you,
but
they
didn’t
everybody
was
together
everybody
didn’t
care
nobody
was
interested
in
copping
off
with
other
people.
It
was
just
all
about
the
moment.
It
was
very
primeval
very
tribal.
I
mean,
I’ve
looked
at
my
own
kids,
you
know,
there’s
something
inside
you
that
wants
to
dance,
you
know,
nobody’s
taught
my
baby
daughter
to
dance
but
she
hears
some
music
and
she
and
and
it
stirs
something
inside
your
and
and
and
I
think
what
the
guys
did
was
such
an
important
such
a
brave
thing
I
mean
they
suffered,
you
know
for
years
for
what
they
did
and
don’t
really
get
the
plaudits
for
you know
how
brave
and
how
what
innovator
they
were
really
a
lot
of
the
scene
now
is
it
was
built
on
what
these
guys
did
what
what
what
do
you
mean
by
that
for
someone
listening
to
this
is
hundred
years?
What
does
that
mean
what
did
they
do?
What
was
this?
What
what
was
brave about
they
did?
Well,
they
committed
crimes
in
the
for
the
Youth
really
for
us
us
to
have
good
times
and
and
got
arrested
and
they
were
much
braver
than
you
know
than
I
wouldn’t
have
done
that
personally
you
know,
I
as
you
can
probably
tell
from
my
accent
I
didn’t
grow
from
in
like
the
poshest
part
of
the
city in
Manchester,
but
they
they
were
really
at
the
edge.
They
were
they
were
they
really
wanted
and
believed
in
the
scene
and
believed
it,
you
know
fighting
for
the
right
to
party,
you
know
they
wanted
to
fight
against
society
and
what
was
sort
of
dumbing
us
down
and
I
think
we
are
changed
from
that
moment
the
society
changed
the
kids
change
with
I
think
you
believed
you
could
you
could
do
things
you
could
mix
more
I
know
myself
and
in
the
city
that
I
left
in
you
were
very
separate
you
were
you
lived
in
there
you
lived
in
there.
You’re
very
rarely
mixed
with
other
people
from
and
even
with
your
own
even
the
towns
within
Manchester
you
had
your
own
gangs
and
your
own
that
wouldn’t
that
wouldn’t
mix
with
each
other
and
that
was
exacerbated
by
the
Hip
Hop
scene
as
well
in
Manchester
the
difference
between
the
Hip
Hop
and
an
Acid
House
was
that
Hip
Hop
you
were
sort
of
against
each
other
you
were
dancing
against
each
other the
DJ’s
were
rivals
you
didn’t
have
that
in
the
Acid
House
in
you
were
all
one
family
were
all
one
people
you
were
all
dancing
together
you
weren’t
it
wasn’t
a
competition.
You
didn’t
have
to
be
a
great
dancer
I
dance
like
a
right
knob
head
but
you
could
you
know
you
it
didn’t
matter
you
just
expressed
yourself
you
didn’t
have
to
body
pop
there
was
no
there
was
no
structure
to
it
and
I
think
that
was
what
was
so
good
that
was
the
freedom
that
you
got,
you
know,
you
could
just
be
free
and
in
a
time
where
you
were
being
pushed
down
and
knuckle
down
and
and
and
and
a
lot
of
the
youth
was
a
bit
lost
and
you
probably
didn’t
have
any
prospects,
you
know,
and
that
time
and
a
lot
of
people
didn’t
work
but
people
live
for
that
weekend
and
it
gave
them
hope
I
think
if
we
didn’t
have
that
and
I
always
remember,
you
know,
Tommy
saying
how
we’re
high
on
hope
and
we
were
you
know,
I
think
it
was
such
an
important
and
you
can
speak to
anybody
who went
it
was
such
an
important
part
of
people’s
lives,
it
really
was
And when
it
stops
at
least
in
Blackburn,
what
was
your
story
you
at least
you
carried
on
going?
I
carried
on
Yeah
carried
on
DJing
yeah
I’d
DJ
for
really
successfully
for
years
and
what
one
of
the
main
things
that
stopped
me
was
was
the
crime
in
Manchester
the
gun
crime
and
and
clubs
clubs
closed
down
and
I
got
tired
I
was
like
I
was
a
young
a
young
boy
I
stopped
DJing
when I
was
23
I’d
started
when
I
was
18
and
I
was
dealing
with
gangsters
and
scum
and I
had to have
scum
working
on
the
door
for
me
to
stop
stop
the
scum
coming
in
so
so
I
stopped
at
23
and
then
started
up
again
about
10
years
ago
and
have
been
successful,
you
know
again,
but
it
was
it
was
it
was
hard
really
anything
where
there’s
you
know
money
involved
and
that
creeped
in
to
Blackburn
as
well
where
you
know,
the
gangs
from
Manchester
came
in
and
started
you know
taking
money
on
the
on
the
doors
but
when
that
started
for
me,
I
stopped
going
to
Blackburn
to
be
honest
because
it
it
it
become
something
that
you
know
that
I
didn’t
want
to
be
part
of
really
in
the
end
and
I’ve
and
it
wasn’t
the
same
scene
for
me.
This
is
going
to
Archive
is
part
of
working
class
story.
It’s
a
post-industrial
story
things.
that had
been happening
in
Mills
and
warehouses.
Yeah,
then
the
Northwest
and
in
the
country
for
hundreds
of
years
in
a
hundred
years
time
some
kids
going
to
be
listening
to
this.
What
would
you
say to em?
What
would
I
say
to
them?
Be
brave
enjoy
your
life.
when
you’re
young
live
for
the
moment
life
is
to
be
enjoyed
and
appreciate
everything
around
you
appreciate
other
people
and
we’re
all
actually
the
same
if
I
think
that’s
another
thing
that
you
know,
it
taught
us
is that
we
are
all
the
same
and
and
it
and
with
it
took
away
race
at that
time
it
took
away
gender
it
took
it
took
away
religion
because
before
that
I
think
we
were
very
separate
as
I
said
so it
really
opened
a
lot
of
people’s
eyes
and
sadly
is
in
the
last
four
or
five
years.
I’ve
seen
that
really
come
back
come
back,
you
know
the
separation
and
division
of
people
for
a
number
of
years
after
sort
of
89
that
that
totally
disappeared
and
I
think
people
are
have
lost
sight
of
and
as
people
get
older
the
loose
sight
of
just
just
enjoying
life
just
enjoy
your
life
and
don’t
think
too
deeply
and
every
person
is
exactly
the
same
as
you
but
no
better
than
or
worse
That’s
what
I would
say
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How
did
you
get
involved?
I’d
been
DJing
quite
successfully
in
Manchester
at
the
Thunderdome
which
was
a
real
seminal
underground
club
that
was
really
popular
and
I
think
we
just
heard
about
it
word-of-mouth.
really
err
Jimmy
who was
Tommy’s
brother.
He’d been
coming
to
the
Thunderdome,
but
there
was
just
massive
convoys
of
cars
anyway
going
up
to
Blackburn.
So
that’s
how
I
got
involved
really.
Had
you
even
heard
about
them
before?
Yeah,
I
think…
I
had
yeah,
yeah,
yeah
cotton mills
and
things
like
that
but
not
as far
as
a
music
scene
goes.
So
what
we’re
asking
people
generally…
what
are
your
best
memories
about
it?
Like
how
do
you
remember
that
time?
In
general
or
at
Blackburn?
Blackburn.
It
was
it
was
very
free
it
was
it
was
us
against
them
society
it really
was
really a
time
that
you
really
felt
a part
of
something
I bet
a
lot
of
people
have
said
that
but
even
even
for
you
know
as
a
DJ
and
you
know,
you
had
quite
a
following…
to
see
that
massive
huge
influx
of
people
from
all
over
the
country
was
still
an
unbelievable
sight
and
an
unbelievable
thing
to
feel
like
you
were
part
of…
it
sort
of
blew
blew
your
mind.
It
it
really
made
you
feel
like
you
were
part
of
something
quite
special.
What
were
the
key
parties
from
Backburn
for you?
To
be
honest,
I
have
the
horrific
memories
of
where
and
when
even of
me,
you
know,
a
lot
of
me…
me
own
gigs
that…
I
wouldn’t
say
I
have
any
particular
names
of
it
because
everything’s
a
blur
don’t
forget
before
I’d
go
to
Blackburn
I’d
be
playing
for
4
6
7
8
hours
and
then
I’d
go
up
there
so
specifics
of
the
names
of
the
parties…
that
I
can’t
really
recall
so
that…
Are
there
any
moment
in
any
of
them
that
you
would
recall
call?
Yeah,
I
mean
there
was
there
was…
there
was…
lots
of
moments
I
think
when
my
friend
Suddi
Ravel
when
they
played
his
tune
Hardcore
Uproar
that…
really
sticks
out
for
me.
I
think
it
sort of
blurs
into
one
it
was
just
that
that
it’s
like
a
lot
of
gigs
that
i’ve
done
anyway
the
it’s
just
the
overall
feeling
of
it.
You
know
that
massive
huge
amount
of
people
it’s
almost
like
being
at a
football
stadium,
but
it’s
a
club
and
that
was
before
the
days
of…
sort
of…
super
clubs
and
and
huge
massive
venues
it
was
the
biggest
group
of
people
just
going
absolutely
wild
they
had
no
worries.
It
was
just
pure
gay
abandon
which
you
probably
couldn’t
use
gay
abandon
in
the
same
context,
back
then
but you
can
nowadays
really.
Are there
any
dark
memories
associated
with
any
of
it?
Yeah.
I
think
you
know
that
the
way
that
the
police
treated
you
the
police
brutality
I
mean
it
was
some
funny
stories
with
the
police,
but
then
you
know
the
the
how
brutal
they
were
because
I
think
they
had
to
find
a
way
of
containing
us
and
they
sort
of
contained
us
in
the
same
way
the
contain
football
hooligans
the
same
way
they
contain
try
to
contain
the
miners
with
just
with
violence
and
force
realy
but
I
remember
after
one
party
it
was
it
was
like
I had
actually
was
being
driven
there
in
a
car
by
Tommy’s
brother
Jimmy
and
it
was
really
icy
and
the
the
mini
actually
as
we
drove
up
it
did
a
full
360
we
thought
we
were
going
to
we
were
going
to
die
and
he
did
a
full
360
stops
and
we
got
out
of
the
car
couldn’t
believe
we
were
alive
and
then
the
police
are
asking
all
the
party
heads
that
were coming
out
completely
out
of
the
mines,
but
trying
to
take
surveys
of
them.
Can
you
imagine
people
have
been
up
for
all
night
and
it’s
like
6
or
7
it’s
like
bright
light
and
everybody’s
coming
out
with
huge
eyes
and
what
it
was
just
the
most
bizarre
ridiculous
thing.
I
can’t
remember
its
30-odd
years
ago
and
it’s
30
years
ago
so
they
were
just
asking
are
there
was
it
was
a
questionnaire
so
you’ve
got
all
these
police
asking
that
probably
where
the
where
they’d
come
from
how
far
they
traveled
who
the
knew
there
and
I’d
of
loved
they
must
be
in
an
archive
somewhere
I’d
love
to
see
some
of
the
answers
that
actually
came
back
from
that
it
was
a
it
was
probably
the
most
bizarre
thing
I’ve
ever
seen
there.
I
think
I
think
they
were
really
really
confused
at
the
time
like
this
is
suddenly
happening
here
why
you
know,
I
remember
those
I
remember
people
being
interviewed
interviewed
afterwards
on
the
way
out.
Yeah,
and
it
was
where
have you driven
from?
But
you
were
never
going
to
get
you
know,
a
sensible
answer
no
matter
how
it
was
it
was
just
ridiculous
but
they
couldn’t
understand
it.
Like you
say
it
was
just
this
is
like
any
cultural
revolution
the
people
of
a
certain
age
just
haven’t
got
a
clue
they
just
can’t
understand
why
all
these
people
are
coming
here
doing
this
and
it
just
blew
their
minds
really
and
they
couldn’t
cope
That
you
talked
about
cultural
revolution
for
you
it
was
it
was
more
than
playing records
and
music
and
clothes
it
was
a
full
it
was
a
big
thing
for
you
wasn’t
it
was
more
than
just
going
out.
Oh,
definitely.
I
mean,
I’ve
been
very
lucky
I’ve
experienced,
you
know
the
other
side
of
it
and
to
play,
you
know,
in
somewhere
like
that
to
have
that
much
contained
energy.
It’s
a
very
hard
feeling
to
describe.
It’s
such
a
positive
thing.
It’s
such
a
healing
thing
really
for
society
and
and
it
was
quite
dark
times
really
in
in
you
know
in
the
late
80s
and
mid
to
late
eighties
it
in
the
Northwest,
you
know,
we’d
had
you
know
years
of
you
know
unemployment
and
football
hooliganism,
you
know,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
violence
really
happening
and
you
know
factories
and
it
It
wasn’t
so
to
to
have
that
release
and
to
have
that
unbelievable
positivity
and
have
all
these
groups
you
I
mean
Blackburn
you
add
gangsters
you
had
football
Hooligans,
you
know
from
all
over
the
place
you
would
never
want
to
mix
with
in
a
club
or
if
you
did
if
you
knocked
nudged
em
the
kick
the
s***
out
of
you,
but
they
didn’t
everybody
was
together
everybody
didn’t
care
nobody
was
interested
in
copping
off
with
other
people.
It
was
just
all
about
the
moment.
It
was
very
primeval
very
tribal.
I
mean,
I’ve
looked
at
my
own
kids,
you
know,
there’s
something
inside
you
that
wants
to
dance,
you
know,
nobody’s
taught
my
baby
daughter
to
dance
but
she
hears
some
music
and
she
and
and
it
stirs
something
inside
your
and
and
and
I
think
what
the
guys
did
was
such
an
important
such
a
brave
thing
I
mean
they
suffered,
you
know
for
years
for
what
they
did
and
don’t
really
get
the
plaudits
for
you know
how
brave
and
how
what
innovator
they
were
really
a
lot
of
the
scene
now
is
it
was
built
on
what
these
guys
did
what
what
what
do
you
mean
by
that
for
someone
listening
to
this
is
hundred
years?
What
does
that
mean
what
did
they
do?
What
was
this?
What
what
was
brave about
they
did?
Well,
they
committed
crimes
in
the
for
the
Youth
really
for
us
us
to
have
good
times
and
and
got
arrested
and
they
were
much
braver
than
you
know
than
I
wouldn’t
have
done
that
personally
you
know,
I
as
you
can
probably
tell
from
my
accent
I
didn’t
grow
from
in
like
the
poshest
part
of
the
city in
Manchester,
but
they
they
were
really
at
the
edge.
They
were
they
were
they
really
wanted
and
believed
in
the
scene
and
believed
it,
you
know
fighting
for
the
right
to
party,
you
know
they
wanted
to
fight
against
society
and
what
was
sort
of
dumbing
us
down
and
I
think
we
are
changed
from
that
moment
the
society
changed
the
kids
change
with
I
think
you
believed
you
could
you
could
do
things
you
could
mix
more
I
know
myself
and
in
the
city
that
I
left
in
you
were
very
separate
you
were
you
lived
in
there
you
lived
in
there.
You’re
very
rarely
mixed
with
other
people
from
and
even
with
your
own
even
the
towns
within
Manchester
you
had
your
own
gangs
and
your
own
that
wouldn’t
that
wouldn’t
mix
with
each
other
and
that
was
exacerbated
by
the
Hip
Hop
scene
as
well
in
Manchester
the
difference
between
the
Hip
Hop
and
an
Acid
House
was
that
Hip
Hop
you
were
sort
of
against
each
other
you
were
dancing
against
each
other the
DJ’s
were
rivals
you
didn’t
have
that
in
the
Acid
House
in
you
were
all
one
family
were
all
one
people
you
were
all
dancing
together
you
weren’t
it
wasn’t
a
competition.
You
didn’t
have
to
be
a
great
dancer
I
dance
like
a
right
knob
head
but
you
could
you
know
you
it
didn’t
matter
you
just
expressed
yourself
you
didn’t
have
to
body
pop
there
was
no
there
was
no
structure
to
it
and
I
think
that
was
what
was
so
good
that
was
the
freedom
that
you
got,
you
know,
you
could
just
be
free
and
in
a
time
where
you
were
being
pushed
down
and
knuckle
down
and
and
and
and
a
lot
of
the
youth
was
a
bit
lost
and
you
probably
didn’t
have
any
prospects,
you
know,
and
that
time
and
a
lot
of
people
didn’t
work
but
people
live
for
that
weekend
and
it
gave
them
hope
I
think
if
we
didn’t
have
that
and
I
always
remember,
you
know,
Tommy
saying
how
we’re
high
on
hope
and
we
were
you
know,
I
think
it
was
such
an
important
and
you
can
speak to
anybody
who went
it
was
such
an
important
part
of
people’s
lives,
it
really
was
And when
it
stops
at
least
in
Blackburn,
what
was
your
story
you
at least
you
carried
on
going?
I
carried
on
Yeah
carried
on
DJing
yeah
I’d
DJ
for
really
successfully
for
years
and
what
one
of
the
main
things
that
stopped
me
was
was
the
crime
in
Manchester
the
gun
crime
and
and
clubs
clubs
closed
down
and
I
got
tired
I
was
like
I
was
a
young
a
young
boy
I
stopped
DJing
when I
was
23
I’d
started
when
I
was
18
and
I
was
dealing
with
gangsters
and
scum
and I
had to have
scum
working
on
the
door
for
me
to
stop
stop
the
scum
coming
in
so
so
I
stopped
at
23
and
then
started
up
again
about
10
years
ago
and
have
been
successful,
you
know
again,
but
it
was
it
was
it
was
hard
really
anything
where
there’s
you
know
money
involved
and
that
creeped
in
to
Blackburn
as
well
where
you
know,
the
gangs
from
Manchester
came
in
and
started
you know
taking
money
on
the
on
the
doors
but
when
that
started
for
me,
I
stopped
going
to
Blackburn
to
be
honest
because
it
it
it
become
something
that
you
know
that
I
didn’t
want
to
be
part
of
really
in
the
end
and
I’ve
and
it
wasn’t
the
same
scene
for
me.
This
is
going
to
Archive
is
part
of
working
class
story.
It’s
a
post-industrial
story
things.
that had
been happening
in
Mills
and
warehouses.
Yeah,
then
the
Northwest
and
in
the
country
for
hundreds
of
years
in
a
hundred
years
time
some
kids
going
to
be
listening
to
this.
What
would
you
say to em?
What
would
I
say
to
them?
Be
brave
enjoy
your
life.
when
you’re
young
live
for
the
moment
life
is
to
be
enjoyed
and
appreciate
everything
around
you
appreciate
other
people
and
we’re
all
actually
the
same
if
I
think
that’s
another
thing
that
you
know,
it
taught
us
is that
we
are
all
the
same
and
and
it
and
with
it
took
away
race
at that
time
it
took
away
gender
it
took
it
took
away
religion
because
before
that
I
think
we
were
very
separate
as
I
said
so it
really
opened
a
lot
of
people’s
eyes
and
sadly
is
in
the
last
four
or
five
years.
I’ve
seen
that
really
come
back
come
back,
you
know
the
separation
and
division
of
people
for
a
number
of
years
after
sort
of
89
that
that
totally
disappeared
and
I
think
people
are
have
lost
sight
of
and
as
people
get
older
the
loose
sight
of
just
just
enjoying
life
just
enjoy
your
life
and
don’t
think
too
deeply
and
every
person
is
exactly
the
same
as
you
but
no
better
than
or
worse
That’s
what
I would
say
John & Mark Getting Involved
Click to play
Yeah
I’m
John…
and…
Mark.
Okay.
So
how
did
you
first
get
involved
with
the
Acid
House
scene
in
Blackburn?
First,
first
got
involved
were…
but
mixed
up
but
I
remember
going
to…
were
it
C’est La Vie?
Ronnie
Brown?
Putting
a night…
Elizabethan
Suite.
I
remember
walking
down
some
steps
to
get
in,
…
opening
the
double
doors,
to
get in.
And it
were just
oh
my
God.
Yeah.
It
were just…
another
world.
And
when
was
this?
What,
what
year
would
you
say?
Probably
88
the
mixed
up
bit
is
that
…
I
don’t
know
if
we
went
The
Cav
first.
We
had
a
lot
of
anticipation
around,
we
knew
something
was
coming.
Yeah,
…
summat
felt
like
it
were
happening
didn’t
it.
Yeah,
musically,
something
were
happening
wasn’t
it.
Yeah.
Some
of the
Chicago
stuff
were
coming
over.
But
I
remember
going
to’
Cav,
dressed
to
go
the
Cav,
in
blazer,
pants, shoes.
Wi’
a
smiley
t-shirt
on
underneath
…
because
at
some
point
they
would
play
…
what
…
…
what
they
called
Acid
House
music.
So
it
went
from
being
…
at
the
Cav,
to
being
Acid
House,
and
then
back
to
being
Cav
music.
…
It
were
like
they
were
dipping
their
toe
into
it
…
and
it
was
at
the
time
when
you
know,
The
Sun
was
running
all
it’s
headlines
of
y’know,
fear
and
propaganda
about
all
these
kids
getting
into
this
new
music
and
it
wer’
going
to
be
the
end
of
society.
So
it
were
like
C’est La Vie
…
and
the
Cav
that ‘re
mixed
in
my
memory.
It were
being filtered
in weren’t
it.
Bits
on’
Top
of
the
Pops
were
getting
in.
…
…
But
yeah,
yeah
…
…
What
were
that
one?
Aciiid.
…
…
…
…
Yeah,
I
remember
that one
being
on
Top
of
the
Pops.
…
…
Pump
Up
The
Volume,
MARRS
got
in’charts.
And
Yeah,
so
yeah,
we’re
already
aware.
We
had
some
friends
who
used
to
go’
Hacienda.
We started
going
there
as
well.
But
in
Blackburn
…
that,
that
were
the
start
where…
that
memory
just
walking
into
that
room
and
it
were
like…
we were
ready
for it
though…
game
changer.
Yeah,
it
were,
were
like
an
epoch.
There
was
before
that,
and
then
there
was
after
that.
Yeah,
it
was
absolutely
game
changing.
And,
and
after
that,
what
was
your
involvement
in
the
parties?
Well,
my
involvement
was…
Cos I
threw
myself
into
it.
Absolutely,
totally,
hook,
line
and
sinker.
Yeah,
you
did.
For
me
…
…
…
it
felt
like,
you
know,
it
was
our
60s.
It
was
our
Summer
of
Love.
And
I
remember
Chilli,
one
of
me
mates,
saying
to
me,
he says,
how
long
do
you
think
we’ll
get
out
of
this?
And
I
thought…
what
a
stupid
question.
What
do
you
mean?
How
long
will
we
get
outta
this?
This
is
it.
This is
it.
So
my
part
in
it
was
…
…
we
used
to
go’
Hacienda,
…
we
used
to
go’
Hacienda
…
…
…
and
how
good
was
it
Hacienda
…
…
with
Blackburn
lot?
Oh
my
god.
We
were
looked
after…
Yeah.
I
know,
because
we
brought,
we
brought
summat
to
it
as well
didn’t
we.
Yeah,
a
lot
of
energy.
So
we
used
to
go
Hacienda
…
…
…
…
have
a
great
night
and
then
go
to’
Kitchen
on,
in
Hulme.
Yeah.
And
I
look
back
on
that
and
I
think
what
the
f***
were
ya doin,
goin’
Kitchen.
2
council
houses
knocked
together.
…
Yeah.
Loads
of
black
gangsters
and
prostitutes
and
a
couple
of
decks
in
the
place
but
loved
it,
absolutely
loved
it.
So
we
did
that
and
then
somewhere
along
the
line.
This
is
still
…
…
…
still
might
be
like late
88
…
and
we
thought…
why
don’t
we
do
summat
in
Blackburn?
…
Yeah?
Instead
of
goin’
Kitchen?
Why
don’t
we
do
summat
ourselves?
…
So
it’s
like
the
Sex
Pistols
at
Free
Trade
Hall.
Everybody
was
at
the
bike
shop.
Everybody
was in
on
it.
Bike
shop
which
is,
was
on…
Johnson
Street…
Davenport
Road.
But
yeah,
yeah
Johnson
Street,
Davenport
Road…
for
Goodfellows
Cycles, it
was
called.
I’ve
never…
is
that…
Yeah.
Yeah.
I’m…
Up
until
then
it’d
just
been
people’s
houses…
it
closed
down
hadn’t it…
closed
down
by then…
Up
until
then
you
had
to
like,
if
you…
if
you
brought
your
records
there
was
like,
oh
we’re
going
to
stay
out
after
Elizabethan
Suite,
or
after
Crackers.
It
was
like
someone
had
put
a
party
on,
and you
had to
take your
own
records
and
your
own
decks.
…
…
…
You
had
to,
I
remember,
I’ve
still
got
some
of
the
records
and
I
had to
write
me name
on ’em…
Yeah.
Because
you
knew
you were
pooling
em
together.
But
if
that’s
what
it
meant
to
me,
it
was
the
unity
that
we
got
from…
Oh massively…
unity…
it unified
the
whole
of
our
generation.
Yeah.
Because
up
until
then
we’d
fallen
out
a
lot.
So
we
made…
we
made…
use
of
the
bike
shop,
and
I
remember
part
of
it…
we
made
some
banners
with
day-glo
…
day-glo
…
paint,
you
know,
we
like
acid
slogans
on
it,
mad
colors
that
lit up
when’
strobe
lights
hit ’em.
It started
to
get
organised.
Yeah.
So
there
were
about
50
of
us
at
most
in
that
bike
shop.
And
then
it
just
took
off.
Snowballed
from
there.
And
then,
you
know,
the
people
started
chipping
in
stuff,
and
ideas,
and
different
ways
that
we
could
go
further
and
further
and
further
and
it
was
like
…
…
a
movement
started.
That’s
what
it
felt
like
to
me.
I
felt
like
…
to
me,
I
felt
part
of
something,
a social
movement,
yeah,
a
belonging,
coming
off
all
that
angst
of
you
know,
the
miners
strike
and
football
violence
and
all
the
stuff
in’ 80s
that
weren’t
great,
you
know,
the
smashing
of
the
Unions,
racism.
Yeah.
We’re
just
full
of
angst,
you
know,
like
…
just
saying
all
come,
you
know,
it
was
just
like,
and
then
they
were
loading
us
up
with…
you’ve
got
to
be
a
yuppie,
I was
like
actually
that
don’t
fit.
No.
It
was like
political
for
me.
It
was
like,
poorly
messages
coming
on
television
all
the
time
and
that,
really
we only
had
4
channels,
and
we
got
channel
4
in
they
mid
80’s
didn’t
we.
Sounds
like me
grandad.
and
yeah,
…
you
were…
only
had
4
channels.
you
know,
then
suddenly
hang
on
a
minute…
all
that’s
nonsense.
This
is
something
real,
tangible
that
we
can
do.
Yeah,
I think,
I
think
you’re
right,
think
it was
a
wake
up
to…
we were
just
being
brainwashed
here.
Yeah,
kids
doing
it
for
there
sel
…
Yeah, it
were like
the scales
had
fell
away.
And,
and
that’s
what
I
remember…
I
remember
that
feeling
of
being
part
of
something,
you
know…
Part
of
being
a creator
instead
of
it
like
just
a
consumer.
That’s
right.
something…
Yeh
it’s
empowering.
And
we
had
to
travel,
you
know,
if
you
wanted
records,
you
had
to go
on’ train,
or
get
in’ car
and
go to
Eastern
Bloc,
you
know,
if
you
wanted…
they
started
getting
em
in
Blackburn,
but
they
weren’t
that
quick,
you
know,
…
it
weren’t
that
quick
to
pick
the
music
up.
…
and
and
that
rarity
thing
was
always
a
drawer
for
me,
because
you
knew
that
you
were,
you
apart
o’some
underground
thing
that
wasn’t
easily
available,
you
know,
you
had
to
seek
it
out
and
I think,
party-wise,
you
had
to
kind
of
seek
venues
out
and
seek
places…
About..
asking
about
what
my
part
in…
well
my
part
evolved
from
the
bike
shop
to
me
and
a
pal,
…
scouting
venues
out
…
in
Blackburn.
So
during
the
week,
we’d
scout
venues
out.
Absolutely…
Blackburn
was
made
for
it…
old
mill
town.
Loads
of
old
disused
mills.
So
we
weren’t
short
it’s
on
venues.
…
So
we’d
scout
em
out.
Break
into
em.
Make
sure
they
were
suitable.
And
then
Sett
End
evolved.
So
we
had
our
own
club
at
that
point
didn’t
we.
We
had,
we
had
the
Sett
End.
We
took
over
the
Sett
End.
…
Yeh
they
give
it
over
to us.
So
from
the
Sett
End
on
a
Friday
or
a
Saturday.
I’d
leave
early
wi’
me
pal.
We’d
go
back
to
this
venue
we’d
scouted
out
…
we’d
break
into
it.
We
had
those
big
old
fashioned
…
mobiles,
first
ones
about.
They were
like
army
field
telephones.
So
we’d
break…
they
were…
We
thought
they
were
the
dog’s
b*****ks.
We
thought
we were
living
in
the
future
we
then.
So…
…
…
…
…
…
So
we’d
break
into
the
venue
ring
the
Sett
End
up.
Dummy
convoy
would
be
sent
off.
Hopefully
with
the
police
following
the
dummy
convoy.
Everybody
else would
follow
somebody
to
the
venue.
We’d
watch
out
for
the…
and
we
had
to
time
it,
were
about
timing.
We
had
to
open
the
doors,
just
as
the
convoy
were
turning
up.
…
But
before
the
plod
could
stop
the
convoy.
And
we did
it.
That’s
what
we
did.
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Yeah
I’m
John…
and…
Mark.
Okay.
So
how
did
you
first
get
involved
with
the
Acid
House
scene
in
Blackburn?
First,
first
got
involved
were…
but
mixed
up
but
I
remember
going
to…
were
it
C’est La Vie?
Ronnie
Brown?
Putting
a night…
Elizabethan
Suite.
I
remember
walking
down
some
steps
to
get
in,
…
opening
the
double
doors,
to
get in.
And it
were just
oh
my
God.
Yeah.
It
were just…
another
world.
And
when
was
this?
What,
what
year
would
you
say?
Probably
88
the
mixed
up
bit
is
that
…
I
don’t
know
if
we
went
The
Cav
first.
We
had
a
lot
of
anticipation
around,
we
knew
something
was
coming.
Yeah,
…
summat
felt
like
it
were
happening
didn’t
it.
Yeah,
musically,
something
were
happening
wasn’t
it.
Yeah.
Some
of the
Chicago
stuff
were
coming
over.
But
I
remember
going
to’
Cav,
dressed
to
go
the
Cav,
in
blazer,
pants, shoes.
Wi’
a
smiley
t-shirt
on
underneath
…
because
at
some
point
they
would
play
…
what
…
…
what
they
called
Acid
House
music.
So
it
went
from
being
…
at
the
Cav,
to
being
Acid
House,
and
then
back
to
being
Cav
music.
…
It
were
like
they
were
dipping
their
toe
into
it
…
and
it
was
at
the
time
when
you
know,
The
Sun
was
running
all
it’s
headlines
of
y’know,
fear
and
propaganda
about
all
these
kids
getting
into
this
new
music
and
it
wer’
going
to
be
the
end
of
society.
So
it
were
like
C’est La Vie
…
and
the
Cav
that ‘re
mixed
in
my
memory.
It were
being filtered
in weren’t
it.
Bits
on’
Top
of
the
Pops
were
getting
in.
…
…
But
yeah,
yeah
…
…
What
were
that
one?
Aciiid.
…
…
…
…
Yeah,
I
remember
that one
being
on
Top
of
the
Pops.
…
…
Pump
Up
The
Volume,
MARRS
got
in’charts.
And
Yeah,
so
yeah,
we’re
already
aware.
We
had
some
friends
who
used
to
go’
Hacienda.
We started
going
there
as
well.
But
in
Blackburn
…
that,
that
were
the
start
where…
that
memory
just
walking
into
that
room
and
it
were
like…
we were
ready
for it
though…
game
changer.
Yeah,
it
were,
were
like
an
epoch.
There
was
before
that,
and
then
there
was
after
that.
Yeah,
it
was
absolutely
game
changing.
And,
and
after
that,
what
was
your
involvement
in
the
parties?
Well,
my
involvement
was…
Cos I
threw
myself
into
it.
Absolutely,
totally,
hook,
line
and
sinker.
Yeah,
you
did.
For
me
…
…
…
it
felt
like,
you
know,
it
was
our
60s.
It
was
our
Summer
of
Love.
And
I
remember
Chilli,
one
of
me
mates,
saying
to
me,
he says,
how
long
do
you
think
we’ll
get
out
of
this?
And
I
thought…
what
a
stupid
question.
What
do
you
mean?
How
long
will
we
get
outta
this?
This
is
it.
This is
it.
So
my
part
in
it
was
…
…
we
used
to
go’
Hacienda,
…
we
used
to
go’
Hacienda
…
…
…
and
how
good
was
it
Hacienda
…
…
with
Blackburn
lot?
Oh
my
god.
We
were
looked
after…
Yeah.
I
know,
because
we
brought,
we
brought
summat
to
it
as well
didn’t
we.
Yeah,
a
lot
of
energy.
So
we
used
to
go
Hacienda
…
…
…
…
have
a
great
night
and
then
go
to’
Kitchen
on,
in
Hulme.
Yeah.
And
I
look
back
on
that
and
I
think
what
the
f***
were
ya doin,
goin’
Kitchen.
2
council
houses
knocked
together.
…
Yeah.
Loads
of
black
gangsters
and
prostitutes
and
a
couple
of
decks
in
the
place
but
loved
it,
absolutely
loved
it.
So
we
did
that
and
then
somewhere
along
the
line.
This
is
still
…
…
…
still
might
be
like late
88
…
and
we
thought…
why
don’t
we
do
summat
in
Blackburn?
…
Yeah?
Instead
of
goin’
Kitchen?
Why
don’t
we
do
summat
ourselves?
…
So
it’s
like
the
Sex
Pistols
at
Free
Trade
Hall.
Everybody
was
at
the
bike
shop.
Everybody
was in
on
it.
Bike
shop
which
is,
was
on…
Johnson
Street…
Davenport
Road.
But
yeah,
yeah
Johnson
Street,
Davenport
Road…
for
Goodfellows
Cycles, it
was
called.
I’ve
never…
is
that…
Yeah.
Yeah.
I’m…
Up
until
then
it’d
just
been
people’s
houses…
it
closed
down
hadn’t it…
closed
down
by then…
Up
until
then
you
had
to
like,
if
you…
if
you
brought
your
records
there
was
like,
oh
we’re
going
to
stay
out
after
Elizabethan
Suite,
or
after
Crackers.
It
was
like
someone
had
put
a
party
on,
and you
had to
take your
own
records
and
your
own
decks.
…
…
…
You
had
to,
I
remember,
I’ve
still
got
some
of
the
records
and
I
had to
write
me name
on ’em…
Yeah.
Because
you
knew
you were
pooling
em
together.
But
if
that’s
what
it
meant
to
me,
it
was
the
unity
that
we
got
from…
Oh massively…
unity…
it unified
the
whole
of
our
generation.
Yeah.
Because
up
until
then
we’d
fallen
out
a
lot.
So
we
made…
we
made…
use
of
the
bike
shop,
and
I
remember
part
of
it…
we
made
some
banners
with
day-glo
…
day-glo
…
paint,
you
know,
we
like
acid
slogans
on
it,
mad
colors
that
lit up
when’
strobe
lights
hit ’em.
It started
to
get
organised.
Yeah.
So
there
were
about
50
of
us
at
most
in
that
bike
shop.
And
then
it
just
took
off.
Snowballed
from
there.
And
then,
you
know,
the
people
started
chipping
in
stuff,
and
ideas,
and
different
ways
that
we
could
go
further
and
further
and
further
and
it
was
like
…
…
a
movement
started.
That’s
what
it
felt
like
to
me.
I
felt
like
…
to
me,
I
felt
part
of
something,
a social
movement,
yeah,
a
belonging,
coming
off
all
that
angst
of
you
know,
the
miners
strike
and
football
violence
and
all
the
stuff
in’ 80s
that
weren’t
great,
you
know,
the
smashing
of
the
Unions,
racism.
Yeah.
We’re
just
full
of
angst,
you
know,
like
…
just
saying
all
come,
you
know,
it
was
just
like,
and
then
they
were
loading
us
up
with…
you’ve
got
to
be
a
yuppie,
I was
like
actually
that
don’t
fit.
No.
It
was like
political
for
me.
It
was
like,
poorly
messages
coming
on
television
all
the
time
and
that,
really
we only
had
4
channels,
and
we
got
channel
4
in
they
mid
80’s
didn’t
we.
Sounds
like me
grandad.
and
yeah,
…
you
were…
only
had
4
channels.
you
know,
then
suddenly
hang
on
a
minute…
all
that’s
nonsense.
This
is
something
real,
tangible
that
we
can
do.
Yeah,
I think,
I
think
you’re
right,
think
it was
a
wake
up
to…
we were
just
being
brainwashed
here.
Yeah,
kids
doing
it
for
there
sel
…
Yeah, it
were like
the scales
had
fell
away.
And,
and
that’s
what
I
remember…
I
remember
that
feeling
of
being
part
of
something,
you
know…
Part
of
being
a creator
instead
of
it
like
just
a
consumer.
That’s
right.
something…
Yeh
it’s
empowering.
And
we
had
to
travel,
you
know,
if
you
wanted
records,
you
had
to go
on’ train,
or
get
in’ car
and
go to
Eastern
Bloc,
you
know,
if
you
wanted…
they
started
getting
em
in
Blackburn,
but
they
weren’t
that
quick,
you
know,
…
it
weren’t
that
quick
to
pick
the
music
up.
…
and
and
that
rarity
thing
was
always
a
drawer
for
me,
because
you
knew
that
you
were,
you
apart
o’some
underground
thing
that
wasn’t
easily
available,
you
know,
you
had
to
seek
it
out
and
I think,
party-wise,
you
had
to
kind
of
seek
venues
out
and
seek
places…
About..
asking
about
what
my
part
in…
well
my
part
evolved
from
the
bike
shop
to
me
and
a
pal,
…
scouting
venues
out
…
in
Blackburn.
So
during
the
week,
we’d
scout
venues
out.
Absolutely…
Blackburn
was
made
for
it…
old
mill
town.
Loads
of
old
disused
mills.
So
we
weren’t
short
it’s
on
venues.
…
So
we’d
scout
em
out.
Break
into
em.
Make
sure
they
were
suitable.
And
then
Sett
End
evolved.
So
we
had
our
own
club
at
that
point
didn’t
we.
We
had,
we
had
the
Sett
End.
We
took
over
the
Sett
End.
…
Yeh
they
give
it
over
to us.
So
from
the
Sett
End
on
a
Friday
or
a
Saturday.
I’d
leave
early
wi’
me
pal.
We’d
go
back
to
this
venue
we’d
scouted
out
…
we’d
break
into
it.
We
had
those
big
old
fashioned
…
mobiles,
first
ones
about.
They were
like
army
field
telephones.
So
we’d
break…
they
were…
We
thought
they
were
the
dog’s
b*****ks.
We
thought
we were
living
in
the
future
we
then.
So…
…
…
…
…
…
So
we’d
break
into
the
venue
ring
the
Sett
End
up.
Dummy
convoy
would
be
sent
off.
Hopefully
with
the
police
following
the
dummy
convoy.
Everybody
else would
follow
somebody
to
the
venue.
We’d
watch
out
for
the…
and
we
had
to
time
it,
were
about
timing.
We
had
to
open
the
doors,
just
as
the
convoy
were
turning
up.
…
But
before
the
plod
could
stop
the
convoy.
And
we did
it.
That’s
what
we
did.