Click to play
tell
me
about
how
you
got
involved.
I
first
heard
about
Acid
House
from
a
good
friend
of
mine
in
Darwen.
There was
a
gang
of
us
who’d
been
into
Electro
music
and
Hip-Hop
and
we
kind
of
got
out
of
that
around
late
1985
and
he
…
he
got
into
a
thing
called
Jazz
Fusion
and
they
used
to
go
to
a
lot
of
all
dayers
and
I
remember
him
telling
me
that
he
was
into
House
music
and
saying
there’s
this
new
type
of
house
music
called
Acid
House
And
I
thought
that’s
odd
because
I’d
heard
I knew
what
acid
was
and
I
knew
what
House
music
was,
but
I
thought
what
an
odd
combination
and
…
then
probably
a
few
months
after
that
that
would
have
been
kind
of
early
1988
a
few
months
after
that
would
have
been
August
1988
I
was
in
a
bar
in
Blackburn.
It
was
called
Blakey’s
I
don’t
know
if
it was
called
Blakey’s
at
that
point,
but
it
was
at the
back of
King George’s Hall
and
a
lad
I
knew
called
Bucky…
bless
his
soul.
He’s
no
longer
with
us,
came
rushing
in
there
with
a
massively
oversized
t-shirt
with
a
big
smiley
face
on
the
front
and
it
looked
like
he
was
out
of
breath
and
I
thought
what’s
going
on
here ?
And
then
a
few
days
after
seeing
Bucky
in
there
because
he
was
like…
you
know
…
you’ve
got
to
get
into
Acid
House.
You’ve
got
to
go
into
Acid
House
and
I
was
like…
what’s
this?
what’s
going
on
here?
I
moved
to
Manchester.
I
think
it
would
have
been
within
a
matter
of
days
after
bumping
into
him
in
Blackburn.
I
moved
to
Manchester
August
1988
to
go
over
there
to
study
fashion
design
and
I
got
a
part-time
job
in
a
clothes
shop
in
Bridge
Street
in
Manchester
called
Carl
Twigg
and
two
girls
worked
in
that
shop
with
me
one
was
called
Fiona…
one was
called
Rebecca.
Fiona
did
the
door
of
the
Hacienda
and
Rebecca
was
one of
the
staff
of
the
Hacienda.
Rebecca’s
a
girl
who’s
got
short
dark
hair
and who
Shaun
Ryder
dances
with
in
the
Wrote
For
Luck
video.
Happy Mondays
Happy Mondays
…
Wrote For Luck
Wrote For Luck
video.
And
I
used
to
have
a
laugh
with
them
in
the
shop.
And
you
know…
they
just
thought
I was
some
cheeky
Scally
from
Darwen
and
I
didn’t
last
very
long
in
that
job
because
what
happened
was…
they
invited
me
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
remember
going
to
Hacienda
with…
I
met
a lad
from
Middlesbrough
who
was
at
College
as
well.
And
he
used
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
met
his
kind
of
crowd
of
mates
and
they
were
from
all
over…
you
know…
they’re
from
Nottingham…
London…
you
know,
they’d
all
gone
to
Manchester
to
go
to
College
and
so
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda…
It
would
have
been
the
end
of
August
88
and
when
I
was
in
the
Hacienda
with
my
new
kind
of
group
of
mates,
I’ve
met
in
Manchester
I
bumped
into
some
of
the
older
crowd
from
Blackburn
who
were
from
predominantly
from
the
Mill Hill
area of
Blackburn
and
I
knew
a
few
of
them
from
err
cos
they used
to come up
Caz’s bar
in
Darwen.
And
and
I
started
to
stand
with
them
in
the
Hacienda.
We
used
to
stand
there
were
there
were
like
alcoves
from
the
balcony
of
the
Hacienda.
The
first
alcove
eventually
became
known
as
Salford
corner.
And
that’s
where
people
like
Shaun
Ryder
and
Andy
Rourke
from
The
Smiths
used
to
sit
along
with
a
lot
of
kind
of
pretty
moody
Manchester
characters…
but
they
were
you
know,
there
were
some
colorful
characters
who
used
to
stand
in
there.
And
then
the
next
section
along
was
where
everybody
from
Blackburn
used
to
stand
…
Blackburn
Blackburn
and
Darwen.
And
erm..
there
was
a
group
of
us
in
there.
And
then
I
think
it
would
have
been
a
week
or
so
after
that.
…
the
first
Acid
House
night
happened
in
Blackburn
at
C’est La Vie’s
on a
Thursday
night.
And
so
I
was
kind
of
I
was
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn
for
much
of
the
next
kind
of
twelve
to
eighteen
months
really….
and
so
I
sort
of
saw
both
sides
of
it.
I
was
I
was
a
regular
in
the
Hacienda
on
the
Wednesday
night
and
a
Friday
night.
And
then
I
would
generally
come
up
to
Blackburn
on
a
Saturday.
Once
the
Blackburn
Acid
House
nights
moved
onto
Saturdays…
when
it
started
to
go
to
Crackers
and
then
later
to
the
Sett End
Sett End
So
yeah,
it
was
a
really.
It
was
just
a
phenomenal
time.
It’s
just
right…
it’s
just
the…
being
in
the
right
place
at the
right
time
and
what
I
saw
happen
was
nothing
short
of
transformative
really
because
being
from
Darwen
and
hanging
around
with
a
multi-racial
gang
of kids.
We’d
spent
much
of
the
mid-80s
going
over
to
Bolton…
Farnworth…
Manchester…
Bury…
and
just
avoiding
Blackburn
because
there
was
so
much
violence
in
Blackburn
And
there
was
so
much
racism
in Blackburn
and
every
area
of
Blackburn
had
it’s own
gang
and
one
thing
all
those
gangs
in
Blackburn
had
in
common
was
they
all
hated
kids
from
Darwen
and
I
remember
when
I
went
to
art
college
in
Blackburn
I’d
have
been
Seventeen
years
old
in
1987
I
used
to
go
to
walk to
college
with
a
bat
in
my
bag
because
it
was
dangerous
to…
it
was
like
running
the
gauntlet
walking
through
Blackburn
for
a
Darwen…
for
a
Darwen
kid
at
that
age.
It
was
it
was…
it
was
volatile
and
it
was
rough
and
it
was
ruthless.
And
so
you
had
to
watch
your
back
and
it
was…
the
interesting
thing
was
you
know,
I
knew
a
lot
of
lads
from
Blackburn
From
different
areas
of
Blackburn…
and
lived with
a
few
lads
from
Mill
Hill.
A
few
lads
from
Little
Harwood
erm…
I’d
been
to
Prestatyn
on
holiday…
a
few
years
earlier
I
met
a
lot
of
them and
I
got
on with
one
particular
lad
from
Blackburn who
moved
up
to
Darwen
and
I
became
very
good
friends
with
him.
And
so
it
was…
yeah
it
was…
it
was
really
really
dangerous
for
for
us
going
in
to
Blackburn
at
that
time
for
us
Lads
from
Darwen…
And…
and
then
when
Acid
House
came
along
that
night at
C’est La Vie’s…
it
literally
changed
overnight.
It
just…
it
just
stopped
years
worth
of
gang
violence
between
different
areas.
It
just
stopped
and
I
remember
feeling
slightly
uneasy
at
that
first
night
in
C’est La Vie’s
because
it
just
seemed
bizarre
that
all
these
Lads
from
different
areas of
Blackburn
and
Darwen
were
all
under
the
same
roof.
It’s
like
you
if
you’d
gone
to
anything
like
that
prior to that
you
were
almost
waiting
for
that
moment
when
the
music
would
stop
and
there’d
be
like
a
fight
on
the
dance
floor
and
chairs
would
be
getting
thrown.
Then
bottles
would
be
getting
thrown
it
was
it
just…
it
just
stopped
overnight
which
was
great,
you
know,
it
was
great
and
you
know…
and
we
all
kind
of
knew
each
other
and
it
was
almost
like
it
was
just
like
overnight
there
was
like
this
ceasefire
and
it
was
yeah,
it
was
phenomenal.
So,
do
you
have
any
particular
favorite
memories
or
what
were
the
best
moments
about
that
time
for
you?
Well
interestingly,
you
know,
I
was
going
to
the
Hacienda
So
I
was
also
going
to
The
Kitchen
in
Manchester
which
was
in
Hulme
and
that…
The
Kitchen
was
about
five
minutes
walk
from
where
I
lived
and
the…
there
was
the
first
Kitchen
which
was
on
the
top
floor
of
Charles
Barry
Crescent
Charles
Barry
Crescent’s
not
there
now….
as
far
as
I’m
aware…
and
you
know,
but
it
was
like
Hume
was
the
like
this
completely,
you
know,
it
was
almost
like
an
area of
Manchester
that
just
been
written
off.
Barely
anyone
in
Hulme
paid
rent,
you
know…
you
know…
I
remember
when
I
eventually
moved
into
Hulme
you
know
people
come
around
and
put
your
electricity
on
for
you
and
like…
it
was
it
was…
was
pretty
lawless
down
there
really,
you
know,
and
there’d
be
…
sort
of
graffiti
on
the
flats
about
Virage
Mendis
and
you
know,
and
the
first
Kitchen
was…
I
think
it
was
a
guy
called
Jamie
it
it was
on
the
top
floor
of
the
Charles
Barry
Crescent
and
it
was
two
flats
had
been
knocked
together
and
it
was
tiny.
It
was
tiny.
And
I
remember
it
would
have
been
the
beginning of
beginning of
September
1998
I
were…
in
there
and
a
lad
from
Blackburn
…
got
in
a
fight
in
there
with
a
lad
from
Manchester
and
they
were
both
big
lads
and
it
was
scary
and
we
were
looking
at
each
other
like…
are
they
going
to
close
the
doors
in
there?
And
is
there
going
to
be
a
witch hunt
for
Blackburners?
you
know…
but
there
wasn’t
and
there
was
kind
of…
that
didn’t
happen…
but
there
was…
That
was
nothing
that
was
nothing.
It
wasn’t
comparable
The
kitchen
to
what
eventually
happened
in
Blackburn.
The
Kitchen…
a guy
ended up
getting
thrown
off
the…
the
top
I
believe
erm…
from
a
different
area
Manchester
and
then
The
Kitchen
shut
down
and
then
there
was
a
second
kitchen
that
happened
and
that
was
reopened
by
a
guy
called
Para.
Para
was
one
of
these
characters
that
I
met
in
the
Hacienda,
he
was
a
bit
older
than
me…
and
my
mate
from
Middlesbrough
introduced
me
to
him…
and
said
you
got…
you’ve
got
to
meet
this
guy!
You’ll
buzz
off
him.
He’d
been
living
in
India
with
a
cult
that
worships
swans
and
he
had
this…..
this….
this..
thing
around
his
neck.
It
was
like
a…
it
was
like
two
it
was
like
two
swans
together
on
a
kind
of
like
a
piece
of
leather
around
his
neck.
He
was
like
a…
kind
of
bit
older
and
a
bit
of
a
hippy
sorta
and
he’d
been
living
with
this
cult
in
India.
And
then
you
know…
who
were
into
all
kinds
of
mad
orgies
and
all
sorts
he’d
come
back
and
lived
in
London
for
a
bit
and
then
he
moved
up
to
Manchester
and
he
was
the
guy
who
started
the
second
Kitchen
which
was
on
a
lower
floor
than
the
first
Kitchen
and…
and
I
became
good
friends
with
Para
at
that
time
and
you
know…
but
there were
all
sorts
of
kind
of
characters
around…
you
know,
I
remember
you
know
the
Hacienda
there
were
few
faces
from
Leeds
or
Sheffield
a
lot
of…
there
was a
contingent
from
Blackpool
contingent
from
around
Chorley
to
Charnock
Richard
area.
Bunch
of
us
from
Blackburn
and
Darwen
you
know,
it
was…
it
was
like
a
Melting
Pot
of
people
from
different
areas.
It
was
like…
and
it
was
like
the
great
thing
about
it
when
it
all
first
started
was
there
was
an
unspoken
code
of
conduct
amongst
everybody.
It
was
like
if
you’re
in
here
listening
to
this
music
wearing
these
clothes
doing
this
with
us….
Then
you
get
it.
You
know,
you
don’t…
you
don’t…
you
know
break
into
people’s
cars
on
the
car
park
outside.
You
don’t…
like
we’re
all
here
together.
It
was
a…
like
a
communal
thing
and
that
unspoken
code
of
conduct
that
existed
amongst
us
all
in
the
early…
you
know
in
1988
was
slowly
eroded
as
it
got
bigger
and
bigger.
And
so…
so
like
what
happened
in
Blackburn
was
after
C’est la Vie
I
remember
went
went
back
to
a
house,
which
was….
it’s
called
Dukes
Brow
it runs
up
the
side
of
Queen
Elizabeth’s
Grammar
at
the
top
of
there…
to a
house
there
and…
and
then
you
know…
for
those
first
Blackburn
parties,
it
was
like…
you
know
those…
it
was
a
very
small
group
of
people.
One
of
the
seminal
events
that
happened
in
Blackburn that
doesn’t
get
talked
about
a
lot
was….
there
was
a
party
in
a
flat
on
Pendle
Drive
and
the
police
broke
into
that
party.
I
wasn’t
at
that
particular
party.
I
was
in
I
was
in
Manchester
that
night….
Was
on
a
Friday
night
and
And
yeah…
So
that
was
one
of
the
seminal
moments….
and
then
the…
the
change
happened
with
the
parties
when
it
went
to
the
Bubble
Factory.
The
Bubble
Factory
was
the
first
Blackburn
warehouse
party.
That
was
when
it
became
a
warehouse
thing.
Not
just
a
lot
of
people
with
a
sound
system
in
somebody’s
flat…
or
somebody’s
house…
and…
And
it
started
to
grow
and
like
I
say…
it
was….
I
can’t
begin
to
tell
you
how
many
good
memories
I
have
of
it
the
first…
the
first
twelve
months.
Nothing
but
good
memories
of those
parties
in
Blackburn.
Yes,
there
were
out-of-towners
there,
but
they
were
predominantly
local
people
in
those
parties…
those
early
parties.
You
know…
to
go
from
kind
of,
you
know,
scally…
shoplifting…
football
hooligans…
You
know
nasty
little
scruffs
to
sort
of…
this
mentality
of
“Parties
for
the
People
by
the
People” …
Parties
without
profit,
you
know,
any
profits
got
to
go
back
to
the
community.
It
was
like
so
idealistic
and
so
exciting
and
we
genuinely…
I
certainly
you
know…
I
naively
thought
we
were
going
to
change
the
world.
Give
up
your
job…
Give
up
College…
Grow
your
hair…
It
was
just…
it
was
just
a
it
was
just
a
great
time
you
know…
You
know
The
Bubble
Factory
parties
again,
you
know,
there
were
there
were
there
were
several
of
them
and
you
know…
the
police
would
be
outside
but
it
was…
it
was
like
and
when
Crackers
was
happening
around
that
time,
you
know,
C’est La vie
didn’t
last
for
very
long
then
it
went
to
Crackers
and
you
know
Crackers….
I
mean
that
was
just
absolutely
rammed
to
capacity,
you
know,
there
was
like
sweat
coming
off
the
ceiling,
you
know,
same in
the
Hacienda..
you
know,
There’d
be
sweat
dripping
off
the
underside
of
the
balcony
onto
you…
your
head..
you
know ?
I
mean
it
was
like,
you
know…
open
that
fire
door
which
kind
of
backed
out
onto
the
canal
at
the
back
of
the
Hacienda
and
there’d
just
be
steam
pouring
out
of
there,
you
know,
but
it
was
predominantly
locals
and
we’d
all
kind
of
come
up
together
and
it
was
just
such…
such
a
you
know…
it
was
like…
it
was
just
so
refreshing
and
just
honest
and
1
and
pure
and
then
it
started
to
change
as
time
went
on.
But
those
first
twelve
months,
you
know
from
August
88
to
August
89
Yeah…
you
know
it
got
off
to
a
kind
of
bumpy
start .
I can
talk
about
someone
having
a
fight
in
the
Kitchen
and
everything
but,
you
know
within
a
very
short
space
of
time
everybody
kind
of
got
on
the
same
buzz…
the
same
groove.
It
was
just
it
was
great,
you
know,
when…
then,
you
know
some
of
those
parties
like
Finnington
Barn
…
some
you
know…
…
phenomenal
nights
there…
you
know,
I
remember
but
one
night at
Finnington
Barn
when
they
tried
to
flood
us
out.
They’ve
got
the
fire
brigade
to
come
down
and
flood us
out
and
then
you’d
see
all
the
stuff
in
the
Telegraph,
which
was
just
you
know…
just
propaganda
basically…
just
lies
about
it.
And
there’s
an
eighteen
year
old
kid
you’d
see
that
stuff
and
that
kind
of
gave
me
a
inherent
distrust
of
the
media
and
the
establishment
for
you
know…
I’m
not
going
to
say
that…
you
know
there
weren’t
you
know…
that
it
wasn’t
flawed
in
some
ways
it
was
but
the
way
it
was
being
demonised
at the time,
you
know,
we
all
knew
that
wasn’t
1
and
in
some
ways
it
made
it
more
kind
of
more
fun.
Was
kind
of
like
they
don’t
like
it?
Great!
It
me
almost
made
it
more
appealing
and
you
know
because
there’s
something
very
subversive
about
that
attitude
of
you
know,
look
after
each
other
be
cool
to
each
other
But
you
know…
stop…
the
fighting
stopped
the
violence,
you
know,
let’s
go
out
there.
Let’s
have
a
party.
Let’s
have
a
good
time
and
the
really
was
a
sense
of
trying
to
look
after
each
other
and
you
know…
the
idea,
you
know…
I
remember
organisers
….
trying
to
give
the
money
to
Blackamore
special school
and
the
you
know…
the
money
being
rejected
and
you
know…
but
seeing
these
guys
who
were
older
than
me
doing
that
stuff.
You
know…
and
some
of
those
guys
came
from
criminal
backgrounds,
you
know…
it
was
like
seeing
such
a
massive
sea
change
in
people’s
attitudes.
It
was…
it
was
like
nothing
I’ve
ever
experienced
before
and
nothing
I’ve
seen
since
really
and
it
was
yeah…
it’s
great.
The
girls
were
pretty…
it
was
just
it
was
just
it
was
just
fun.
It
was
just
fun,
You
know,
you’d
drive
in
you
could
dive
in
a
car
with
people
you
barely
knew
d’ya know
what I mean ?
and
did
have
the
tunes
on
and
it
was…
it
was
you
know…
to
go
from
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
divisive
mentality
the
1980s
and
you
know
football
violence
that
had
sort
of
perpetuated
those
years
that had
felt
like
it
was
never
going
to
go
away
and
hilariously,
you
know…
the
government
was
sort
of
saying
they’d
quashed
hooliganism
when
actually…
you
know…
all
the
hooligans
had
….
just
decided
to
go
party
and
instead,
you
know,
And
so
yeah,
it
was…
you
know
just
lots
of
good
memories
of
it
really.
You
know,
the
Crackers
was
you
know…
that
was
pretty
short-lived
and
then
it
went
to
the
Sett
End
and
the
Sett
End
was
you
know…
it
was
different
than
the
Hacienda
because
the
Hacienda
had
all
the
kind
of
you
know,
the
connection
to
Factory
Records…
New
Order
and
you
know
these
amazing
interiors
and
amazing
aesthetic
with
the
you
know,
the
graphics
and
the
Flyers
and
the
posters.
Where
what
was
happening
in
Blackburn
was
much
more
kind
of
spit
and
sawdust
really.
D’ya know
what I mean ?
And
the
Sett
End
you
know…
the
Red
Parrot
woulda
been
you
know…
I
knew
it
as
a
strip
club
really
and
after
Crackers
stopped
you
know
that
opened
and
it
was
a
Blackburn
Self
Help
and
Leisure
Group
and
you
know…
we
used
to
always
stand
over
near…
the
back
entrance
with
the
fire
exit
was
and
the
toilets
were
and
the
Sett
End
was
just…
it
was
just
great
because
you
know,
Tony
Wilson
used
to say
that
culture
needs
hubs.
And
for
the
Blackburn
parties
the
Sett
End
was
the
hub.
That
was
the
hub.
That
was…
that
that
was
the
place,
you
know,
you
wanted
to
go
to
the
Sett
End
and
then
you
wanted
to
go
to
a
party
later
on,
you
know,
and
one
thing
I’ve
not
heard
anybody
talk
about
was
the
last
night
at
the
Sett
End.
I
never
hear
anyone
talking
about
it
nowadays,
but
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
most
bizarre
experiences,
you
know,
because
from
what
I
gather
and
and
again
my
memory
is
not
that
clear
as
to
what
exactly
had
gone
on
but
I
think
the
brewery
had
refused
to
renew
the
license
and
basically
all
the
Scallywags
who
were in there
just
reverted
to
form
and
it’s
like
we’ve
lost
our
club.
So
let’s
smash
It
up
and
that’s
what
happened.
And
it
was
one
of
the
bizarrest
of
things
because
everybody’s
smiling
partying
while
they’re
ripping
down
the
suspended
ceiling…
Smashing
up
the
toilets…
Emptying
the
cigarette
machines…
Helping
themselves
behind
the
bar.
It
was
like
nothing
you’ve
ever
seen.
It was
just
like
the
Wild
West
in
there.
You
know ?
and
you
know,
you’re
dealing
with
colourful
characters…
and
a
lot
of
them
were,
you
know,
they
weren’t
necessarily
angelic
but
you
know,
I
think
like
I
said
the
intention
with
the
parties
originally
was
it
was
not…
it
was
not
driven
by
money.
It
was
driven
by
something
really
pure
and
really
communal.
And
it
was
only
later
as
the
money
started
to
appear
and
it
started
to
grow.
You
know…
I
feel
it
was
destroyed
from
the
inside
as
much
as
it
was
from
the
outside
really
and….
and
I
don’t
mean
that
necessarily
about
people
from
Blackburn.
I
mean
when
I
say
the
inside
I
mean
people
that
started
to
come
to
the
parties,
you
know?
to
me…
to
me…
the
the
high-tide
mark
of
the
Blackburn
parties
was
September
1989
Live
the
Dream.
Live
the
Dream
was
the
beginning
of
the
end
as
far
as
I’m
concerned,
you
know,
one
thing
that
would
that
I
saw at
Live
the
Dream
that
would
never
have
happened
in
a
Blackburn
party
in
the
early
days….
a
V.I.P
tent!
Nobody
was
any
more
important
than
anybody
else.
Do…
yeah,
you might
of got
the
odd
person
who
might’ve
thought
they
were….
but
it
was
it
was
a…
it
was
a
“WE”
thing….
It
was
a
it
was
not
an
” I “
thing.
It
was
an
” OUR “
thing.
It
was…
it
was
all
of
us
doing
this
together.
We’re
all
doing
this
together
and….
and
so
Live
the
Dream
for
me
while
it’s
remembered
as
being
one
of
the
seminal
Blackburn
parties….
was
really….
…
really
the
beginning
of
when
a
lot
of
the
tourists
started
to turn
up.
A
lot
of
the
tourists…
what
they
didn’t
bring
that…
that
spirit
with
them
and
that
was
when
the
cracks
started
to
show.
and
that
was
when
the
gangsters
started
turning
up
and
that
was
when
the
nastiness
started
happening.
I
remember
one
of
the
parties
…
where
the
police
got
there
before
the
before
the
party
people
got
there.
And
you
know,
it
was
like…
just
went
round
with
…
with
buckets
d’you know
what I
mean?
Just
to
kind
of
cover
the
cost
of
the
party
because
everybody
had
to
rush
the
doors
to
get
in…
There
was
no
taking
money
on
the
door
and
I
said
that
it
was
like
a
nominal
fee.
It
was
it
was
it
was
nothing
and
and
but
then
later
on
when
you
get
in
thousands
and
thousands
of
people
and
….
police
outside,
I
pretty
much
stopped
going.
Early
1990
I
went
to
the
odd
one
after
that.
I’m
really
glad
I
wasn’t
there
to
see
its
demise…
you
know,
and
I
saw
people
chasing
their
tails
for
a
good
year
or
so
after
the
Blackburn
parties
ended.
You
know….
People
driving
round
and
round
to
Charnock
Richard
services
hoping
that
there’s
going
to
be
a
party
appearing
from
somewhere
and
it
was….
it
didn’t
happen.
It
wasn’t…
it
wasn’t
it
wasn’t
going
to
happen…
you
know,
it
was
over
it
was
you
know
there
was
a
nucleus
of
people
in
Blackburn
who
were
a
bit
older
than
me
on
the
whole
who
put
that
thing
together…
and
you
know….
they
know
who
they
are
and
you
know,
the
Godfather
of
it
all
for
me….
the
guy
who
you
know
who
started
the
whole
thing
in
Blackburn
went
away
in
late
88
and
he
was
….is
a
notorious
United
fan…
and
he
knew
a
lot
of
the
Lads
all
the
lads
from
United
and
that
in
a
way…
I
think
that
was
a
lot
of
how
the
Blackburn
Manchester
connection
started.
There
was
a
lot
of
respect
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn,
you
know,
there’s
this
idea
that
someone
had….
a line
in
the
newspaper
the
other
week….
where
they
were
talking
about
when
Blackburn
out
partied
Manchester.
Nobody
out
partied
anybody
because
Manchester
were
integral
to
it,
you
know….
just
as
Blackburn
was
integral
to
the
Hacienda.
So
yeah,
I
mean
just
I
mean
it’s
there
was
so
many
amazing
times.
I
went
on
the
Granada
Upfront
thing.
I
don’t
even
remember
how
that
came
about.
I
was
one
of
the
only
people
from
Darwen
that
was
in
the
audience.
I
remember
getting
the
coach
from
the
Sett
End
to
to
the
TV
studios
to….
to
be
on
there
and
that
that
was
another
of
those
kind
of
moments…
but
by
the
time
that
Upfront
thing
happened,
I
can’t
even
remember
exactly
what
date
Upfront
happened,
…
but
I
think
that
was
just
around
that
time
when
it
was
just
starting
to
for
me
lose
its
magic.
It
was
really
interesting
to
hear
you
talk
about
this
The
reason
there’s
that
connection
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn
and
because
it
is
really
obviously
there
but
a
lot
of
the
they’re
sort
of
conversation
about
it
is
Manchester
gangsters
coming
in
to
the
end
of
it,
but
actually
just
seems
it
was
a
massive
link
through
in
the
positive
area
of
it
as
well?
And
and
you
talked
about
a
few
of
the
negative
things
within
it
as
well
and
some
of
that
kind
of
trajectory
of
everyone
having
this
like
almost
verbal
agreement
of
how
you
treat
each
of
them
and
that
definitely
just
changed.
Towards
the
end.
Can
you
talk
to
me
about
any
more
of
the
negative
things
any
of
the
bad
times
and
that
could
be
in
the
Arc
of
what
happened
after
the
parties
ended
around
Blackburn?
Yeah,
you
know
the
thing
about
the
bad
memories
of
it
is,
you
know…
like
I
said.
I
kind
of
jumped
ship
from
it
really
early
1990
and
so,
you
know,
I
didn’t
witness
a
lot
of
that.
I
remember
going
to
the
Hacienda.
I
started
seeing
a
girl
and
she
took
me
to
the
Hacienda.
on
a
Saturday
night
in
1991
and
it
was
unrecognisable
to
what
I’d
seen
in
1989
…
Totally
different
crowd
of
people.
Everyone’s
dressed
up
like
clothes
horses.
It
was
just
it
was
not
the
same
thing,
you
know.
What
happened
between
…
1988
and
1989
it
was
a
scally
thing.
It
was
a…
it
was
really
scally.
It
was
you
know…
it
was
for
me.
It
was
a
laugh
it
was
you
know…
it
was
it
was
loveable
rogues
during..
dya’
know
what
I
mean ?
They
were
really
Rogues
but
it
was
it
was
it
was
a
it
was
a
giggle.
It
was
a
laugh…
you
know…
and
you
know
Manchester
at
the…
you
know
on
the
face
if it…
the
best
club
….
the
best
bands
….
the
best
DJs
Mike
Pickering
….
was
a
Visionary,
you
know…
but
they
had
you
know,
there’s
always
been
that
connection
that
what…
you
know,
Blackburn
has
always
had that
really
strong
following for
Factory
records.
For
the
size
of
the
place…
you
know,
massive
following
for
New
Order
and
you
know
New
Order
were
aware of
that
and
you
know
that…
so
that
whole
Manchester
thing
was
you
know…
it
was
because
of
the
way
the
media
picked
up
on
“Madchester”
It’s
like
Blackburn
got
kind
of
overshadowed
in it
somewhere,
but
also
Blackburn
was
quite…
it
was
quite….
well
quite
happy
with
it
being
that
way
because
it
was
an
underground
thing.
It
wasn’t
for
the
kind
of
you
know,
tourists
who
were
going
to
go
to
Afflecks
Palace
and
buy
oversized
Joe
Bloggs
jeans
and
Inspiral
Carpets
tops
or
whatever.
You
know ?
the
Hacienda
in
88
and
89
it
was
Chippie
and
Chevignon
Ian
and
Armani
and
Hugo
Boss
and
Martin’s
Evolution
and
CP
company.
It
was…
It
was
kind
of
it
was
you
know,
it
was
it
was
not
that
kind
of…
you
know
media
created
thing.
You
know ?
And
so
there
was…
Yeah,
there
was
there’s
a
mutual
respect
between
between
the
two
places
Manchester
always
had,
you
know,
there
was
always
faces
from
Manchester
at
the
Blackburn
parties
from
the
very
beginning,
you
know.
I mean…
but
those
faces
at
the
very
beginning
were…
were
like,
so
there
was
there
was
just
a
….
just
a
mutual
respect.
I
started
to
see
the
cracks
around
late…
you
know
around
89
I
just
started
to
see
the
cracks.
It
was
like,
you
know…
I
was
going
out
and
didn’t
recognise
everybody
that
was
you
know…
like
there’d
be
you
know
there’d
be
people
coming
over
from
like
say
from
Leeds
or
Huddersfield
….
or
whatever,
but
you
recognised
them
in
you…
you
didn’t
necessarily
go
and
hang
out.
with
them
Same
in the
Hacienda….
just
because
you
know,
the
Happy
Mondays
and
all
their
crowd
was
stood
right
next
to
us.
We
weren’t
going
shaking
hands
Because
they
were
not
part
of
our
crowd…
but
there
was
like
just
an
acknowledgement
between
people
you
kind
of
just
knew
who
the
faces
were
and
you
knew
who
the
faces
were
in
the
scene.
dya know
what
I mean ?
There
was
a
student
element
in
the
Hacienda
and
at
the
same
time
as
there
was
a
kind
of
a
football
hooligan
element
in
the
Hacienda
but
it
was…
it
was
that
kind
of
Melting
Pot
that
made
it
what
it
was…
and
all
you
ever
kind
of….
you
know…
I
don’t
want
to
dwell
on
the
negative
stuff
because
there’s
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
who
were
involved
in
them
parties
and
there
was….
in
the…
you
know
in
the
same
way
as
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
went
to
the
Hacienda.
But
all
you’ll
ever
hear
about
is
that
you
know,
when
it
all
kind
of
went
off
the
boil…
where
I’d
prefer
to
sort
of
just
think
about…
I
just
had
one
of
the
best
years
of
my
life
in
1988-89
at
what
was
one
of
the
most
confusing
times
of
my
life,
you
know ?
because
I
kind
of
wouldn’t
fancy
being
a
teenager
again.
I
found
it
really
kind
of
tough
time
really…
being
a
teenager
trying
to
figure…
figure
out
who
you
are
and
figure
out
your
identity.
But
that
year
it
just
kind
of…
you
know…
it
just
gave
me
faith
in
humanity
which
might
sound
really
over-the-top
statement,
but
it
did.
It
gave
me
faith
in
humanity.
It
made
me
realise
that
even
in
supposedly
bad
people
…
there’s
good,
you
know
the
mean?
and….
and
then
and
then
I
guess
in
the
same
way
in
good
people
there’s
bad,
you
know?
It’s
like
it
was
it
was
just
a….
It
was
just
something
that
you
know…
it’s
very
very
difficult
to
verbalise
and
explain
unless
you
were
there.
Was
just
you
know,
I
would
go
out
on
a
Wednesday
that’d
be
it
for
me.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday
and
when
you
know…
I
remember…
you
know
people
would
be
kind
of
getting
off
at
ten
a.m.
on
a
Sunday
morning
when
the
sun
had
come
up….
and
i’d
be
going…
What
are
you
doing?
Where
are
you
going?
Stay!
Stay!
You
know…
and
I
went
to…
I
went…
the
other
thing
I’d say
as
well…
I
went
to
party…
a
couple
of
parties
in
London
So
I
went
to
the
bigger
went
to
Energy
I
went to
one
of
the
early
Energy
parties…
which
was
in the
film
studios
in
Shepherds
Bush
and
I
went
to
the
big
Sunrise
party
that
was
in
the
airplane
hangar.
That
was
on
the
front
page
of
the
Sun
and
you
know…
it
was
interesting
that
the
cultural
differences
between
Acid
House
in
London
versus
Acid
House
in
Blackburn.
In
Blackburn,
It
was…
it
had
a
much
more
DIY
ethic
about
it.
You
know
and
for
me
the
whole
casual
scally
thing
was
always
subversive…
you
know…
when
we
were
wearing
designer
clothes
in
the
early
and
mid
80s,
you
know,
those
clothes
were
not
aimed
at
kids
like
us….
Giorgio.
Armani
was
not
aiming
to
dress
snotty
kids
off
council
estates
out
of
terraced
houses
do you
know what
I mean ?
It
was…
It
was
kind
of
these
things
that
we
were
wearing
were
objects
of
aspiration,
but
it
was
almost
like
they
weren’t
meant
for
us.
So
it’s
like
well…
they’re
not
for
us.
Well,
we’ll
find
a
way
to
get
them
and
you
know…
and
so
Blackburn
had
a
whole
subculture
which
had
kind
of
come
from
a
generation
before
me…
of
kids
going
abroad.
And
so
that
well…
you
know…
we’ll
find
a
way
to
acquire
these
these
things.
And…
it
was
you
know…
it
wasn’t…
you
know…
it
wasn’t
because
they
were
trying
to
appear
like
they’re
kind
of
at
a
yacht
on
the
French
Riviera.
It
was
kind
of…
it
was
almost
like
saying
we’re
not
supposed
to
wear
this
but
we’re
taking
it
anyway..
you
know…
and…
and
so
that
sort
of
subversive
mentality
It’s
like
there
was
a…
there
was
a
shift
in
that
when
Acid
House
started
..
because
it
was
you
know…
Acid
House
was
as
subversive
as
it
gets…
you
know
speaking
to
some
of
the
lads
who
were
older
than me
who were
around
for
Punk
Rock.
They’re
like….
this
is
the
best
thing
since
Punk.
This
is
better
than
Punk…
you
know.
The
last
question…
we’re
looking
at
this
through
the
lens
of
a
social
history.
So
creating
a
future
archive
so
essentially
there’s someone
someone in
the
future
trying
to
research
things
that
happened
in
working-class
communities
or
youth
culture
around
Blackburn…
and
then
finding
this
archive…
What
message
would
you
give
to
them
or
what
would
you
like
them
to
understand
about
what
this
era
really
meant
in
Blackburn?
For
me
Blackburn
has
got
a
very
rich
history
particularly
when
it
comes
to
its
industrial
history.
But
as
far
as
its
cultural
history
goes
from
a
pop
culture
point
of
view.
There’s
never
been
a
famous
band
really
that
have
come
from
Blackburn.
It’s
not
a
place
that’s
like,
you
know,
I
can’t
think
of
any
famous
artists
that
really
came
from
Blackburn.
So
to
me
when
you’re
looking
at
Pop
Culture….
music..
Culture….
this
thing
that
happened
in
Blackburn
in
1988
was
the
most
significant
thing
that
has
ever
happened
in
Blackburn
when
it
comes…
when
you’re
talking
about
music
culture
and
pop
culture.
It
was
the
most
important
and
most
significant
thing
that
ever
happened
there.
It
was
the
one
thing
about
it
was…
we
were
all
very
present.
We
were
very
present.
I
wasn’t
thinking
about
what
I
was
going
to
be
doing
next
week
or
next
month
or
next
year.
I
was
we
were
all
living
for
the
moment.
We
were
living
for
the
now.
Smartphones
have
really
taken
that
away
from
people.
Very
few
people
live
in
the
now..
now.
Constantly
distracted
by
smartphones…
Acid
House
happened
prior
to
the
internet,
you
know,
and
but
the
the
spirit
of
it….
That
subversive
spirit’s
always
going
to
be
there…
and
it’s…
and
it’s
still
there
now.
You
know ?
It’s
got
its
legacy.
There’s
kids
now
who
are
doing
They’re
doing
parties
…
now
in
2020
They’re
playing
Drum & Bass
and
you
know…
I
went…
I
went
to
one
a couple
of
years
ago.
I
was
about
twenty five
years
older
than
anybody…
than
the
next
youngest
person
in
there,
but
I
found
out
about
it…
and
I
went
and
saw
what
they
were
doing.
And
to
me
it
was
the
spirit
of
1988
all
over
again.
They
weren’t
charging
anybody
to
get
in.
They
advertised
it
on
the
internet.
Kids
get
taxis
to
go
there.
They
meet
out
in
the
middle
of
the
woods
in
Summer.
They
play
their
music.
They
party
and
the
next
morning…
They
clear
the
mess
up
after
themselves
and
they
disappear
back
to
where
they’re
going to.
They’re
not
doing
anybody
any
harm.
It’s
great.
So
it’s
already
got
Legacy.
You
know
a
hundred
years
time….
I
can’t
talk
about
that.
But
you
know,
no
matter
what
you
do.
There’ll
always
be
a
spirit
of
subversion
in
Lancashire.
It
was
there
hundreds
of
years
before
Acid
House…
and
I’m
sure
it’ll
be
there
..
a hundred
years
after.
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tell
me
about
how
you
got
involved.
I
first
heard
about
Acid
House
from
a
good
friend
of
mine
in
Darwen.
There was
a
gang
of
us
who’d
been
into
Electro
music
and
Hip-Hop
and
we
kind
of
got
out
of
that
around
late
1985
and
he
…
he
got
into
a
thing
called
Jazz
Fusion
and
they
used
to
go
to
a
lot
of
all
dayers
and
I
remember
him
telling
me
that
he
was
into
House
music
and
saying
there’s
this
new
type
of
house
music
called
Acid
House
And
I
thought
that’s
odd
because
I’d
heard
I knew
what
acid
was
and
I
knew
what
House
music
was,
but
I
thought
what
an
odd
combination
and
…
then
probably
a
few
months
after
that
that
would
have
been
kind
of
early
1988
a
few
months
after
that
would
have
been
August
1988
I
was
in
a
bar
in
Blackburn.
It
was
called
Blakey’s
I
don’t
know
if
it was
called
Blakey’s
at
that
point,
but
it
was
at the
back of
King George’s Hall
and
a
lad
I
knew
called
Bucky…
bless
his
soul.
He’s
no
longer
with
us,
came
rushing
in
there
with
a
massively
oversized
t-shirt
with
a
big
smiley
face
on
the
front
and
it
looked
like
he
was
out
of
breath
and
I
thought
what’s
going
on
here ?
And
then
a
few
days
after
seeing
Bucky
in
there
because
he
was
like…
you
know
…
you’ve
got
to
get
into
Acid
House.
You’ve
got
to
go
into
Acid
House
and
I
was
like…
what’s
this?
what’s
going
on
here?
I
moved
to
Manchester.
I
think
it
would
have
been
within
a
matter
of
days
after
bumping
into
him
in
Blackburn.
I
moved
to
Manchester
August
1988
to
go
over
there
to
study
fashion
design
and
I
got
a
part-time
job
in
a
clothes
shop
in
Bridge
Street
in
Manchester
called
Carl
Twigg
and
two
girls
worked
in
that
shop
with
me
one
was
called
Fiona…
one was
called
Rebecca.
Fiona
did
the
door
of
the
Hacienda
and
Rebecca
was
one of
the
staff
of
the
Hacienda.
Rebecca’s
a
girl
who’s
got
short
dark
hair
and who
Shaun
Ryder
dances
with
in
the
Wrote
For
Luck
video.
Happy Mondays
Happy Mondays
…
Wrote For Luck
Wrote For Luck
video.
And
I
used
to
have
a
laugh
with
them
in
the
shop.
And
you
know…
they
just
thought
I was
some
cheeky
Scally
from
Darwen
and
I
didn’t
last
very
long
in
that
job
because
what
happened
was…
they
invited
me
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
remember
going
to
Hacienda
with…
I
met
a lad
from
Middlesbrough
who
was
at
College
as
well.
And
he
used
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
met
his
kind
of
crowd
of
mates
and
they
were
from
all
over…
you
know…
they’re
from
Nottingham…
London…
you
know,
they’d
all
gone
to
Manchester
to
go
to
College
and
so
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda…
It
would
have
been
the
end
of
August
88
and
when
I
was
in
the
Hacienda
with
my
new
kind
of
group
of
mates,
I’ve
met
in
Manchester
I
bumped
into
some
of
the
older
crowd
from
Blackburn
who
were
from
predominantly
from
the
Mill Hill
area of
Blackburn
and
I
knew
a
few
of
them
from
err
cos
they used
to come up
Caz’s bar
in
Darwen.
And
and
I
started
to
stand
with
them
in
the
Hacienda.
We
used
to
stand
there
were
there
were
like
alcoves
from
the
balcony
of
the
Hacienda.
The
first
alcove
eventually
became
known
as
Salford
corner.
And
that’s
where
people
like
Shaun
Ryder
and
Andy
Rourke
from
The
Smiths
used
to
sit
along
with
a
lot
of
kind
of
pretty
moody
Manchester
characters…
but
they
were
you
know,
there
were
some
colorful
characters
who
used
to
stand
in
there.
And
then
the
next
section
along
was
where
everybody
from
Blackburn
used
to
stand
…
Blackburn
Blackburn
and
Darwen.
And
erm..
there
was
a
group
of
us
in
there.
And
then
I
think
it
would
have
been
a
week
or
so
after
that.
…
the
first
Acid
House
night
happened
in
Blackburn
at
C’est La Vie’s
on a
Thursday
night.
And
so
I
was
kind
of
I
was
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn
for
much
of
the
next
kind
of
twelve
to
eighteen
months
really….
and
so
I
sort
of
saw
both
sides
of
it.
I
was
I
was
a
regular
in
the
Hacienda
on
the
Wednesday
night
and
a
Friday
night.
And
then
I
would
generally
come
up
to
Blackburn
on
a
Saturday.
Once
the
Blackburn
Acid
House
nights
moved
onto
Saturdays…
when
it
started
to
go
to
Crackers
and
then
later
to
the
Sett End
Sett End
So
yeah,
it
was
a
really.
It
was
just
a
phenomenal
time.
It’s
just
right…
it’s
just
the…
being
in
the
right
place
at the
right
time
and
what
I
saw
happen
was
nothing
short
of
transformative
really
because
being
from
Darwen
and
hanging
around
with
a
multi-racial
gang
of kids.
We’d
spent
much
of
the
mid-80s
going
over
to
Bolton…
Farnworth…
Manchester…
Bury…
and
just
avoiding
Blackburn
because
there
was
so
much
violence
in
Blackburn
And
there
was
so
much
racism
in Blackburn
and
every
area
of
Blackburn
had
it’s own
gang
and
one
thing
all
those
gangs
in
Blackburn
had
in
common
was
they
all
hated
kids
from
Darwen
and
I
remember
when
I
went
to
art
college
in
Blackburn
I’d
have
been
Seventeen
years
old
in
1987
I
used
to
go
to
walk to
college
with
a
bat
in
my
bag
because
it
was
dangerous
to…
it
was
like
running
the
gauntlet
walking
through
Blackburn
for
a
Darwen…
for
a
Darwen
kid
at
that
age.
It
was
it
was…
it
was
volatile
and
it
was
rough
and
it
was
ruthless.
And
so
you
had
to
watch
your
back
and
it
was…
the
interesting
thing
was
you
know,
I
knew
a
lot
of
lads
from
Blackburn
From
different
areas
of
Blackburn…
and
lived with
a
few
lads
from
Mill
Hill.
A
few
lads
from
Little
Harwood
erm…
I’d
been
to
Prestatyn
on
holiday…
a
few
years
earlier
I
met
a
lot
of
them and
I
got
on with
one
particular
lad
from
Blackburn who
moved
up
to
Darwen
and
I
became
very
good
friends
with
him.
And
so
it
was…
yeah
it
was…
it
was
really
really
dangerous
for
for
us
going
in
to
Blackburn
at
that
time
for
us
Lads
from
Darwen…
And…
and
then
when
Acid
House
came
along
that
night at
C’est La Vie’s…
it
literally
changed
overnight.
It
just…
it
just
stopped
years
worth
of
gang
violence
between
different
areas.
It
just
stopped
and
I
remember
feeling
slightly
uneasy
at
that
first
night
in
C’est La Vie’s
because
it
just
seemed
bizarre
that
all
these
Lads
from
different
areas of
Blackburn
and
Darwen
were
all
under
the
same
roof.
It’s
like
you
if
you’d
gone
to
anything
like
that
prior to that
you
were
almost
waiting
for
that
moment
when
the
music
would
stop
and
there’d
be
like
a
fight
on
the
dance
floor
and
chairs
would
be
getting
thrown.
Then
bottles
would
be
getting
thrown
it
was
it
just…
it
just
stopped
overnight
which
was
great,
you
know,
it
was
great
and
you
know…
and
we
all
kind
of
knew
each
other
and
it
was
almost
like
it
was
just
like
overnight
there
was
like
this
ceasefire
and
it
was
yeah,
it
was
phenomenal.
So,
do
you
have
any
particular
favorite
memories
or
what
were
the
best
moments
about
that
time
for
you?
Well
interestingly,
you
know,
I
was
going
to
the
Hacienda
So
I
was
also
going
to
The
Kitchen
in
Manchester
which
was
in
Hulme
and
that…
The
Kitchen
was
about
five
minutes
walk
from
where
I
lived
and
the…
there
was
the
first
Kitchen
which
was
on
the
top
floor
of
Charles
Barry
Crescent
Charles
Barry
Crescent’s
not
there
now….
as
far
as
I’m
aware…
and
you
know,
but
it
was
like
Hume
was
the
like
this
completely,
you
know,
it
was
almost
like
an
area of
Manchester
that
just
been
written
off.
Barely
anyone
in
Hulme
paid
rent,
you
know…
you
know…
I
remember
when
I
eventually
moved
into
Hulme
you
know
people
come
around
and
put
your
electricity
on
for
you
and
like…
it
was
it
was…
was
pretty
lawless
down
there
really,
you
know,
and
there’d
be
…
sort
of
graffiti
on
the
flats
about
Virage
Mendis
and
you
know,
and
the
first
Kitchen
was…
I
think
it
was
a
guy
called
Jamie
it
it was
on
the
top
floor
of
the
Charles
Barry
Crescent
and
it
was
two
flats
had
been
knocked
together
and
it
was
tiny.
It
was
tiny.
And
I
remember
it
would
have
been
the
beginning of
beginning of
September
1998
I
were…
in
there
and
a
lad
from
Blackburn
…
got
in
a
fight
in
there
with
a
lad
from
Manchester
and
they
were
both
big
lads
and
it
was
scary
and
we
were
looking
at
each
other
like…
are
they
going
to
close
the
doors
in
there?
And
is
there
going
to
be
a
witch hunt
for
Blackburners?
you
know…
but
there
wasn’t
and
there
was
kind
of…
that
didn’t
happen…
but
there
was…
That
was
nothing
that
was
nothing.
It
wasn’t
comparable
The
kitchen
to
what
eventually
happened
in
Blackburn.
The
Kitchen…
a guy
ended up
getting
thrown
off
the…
the
top
I
believe
erm…
from
a
different
area
Manchester
and
then
The
Kitchen
shut
down
and
then
there
was
a
second
kitchen
that
happened
and
that
was
reopened
by
a
guy
called
Para.
Para
was
one
of
these
characters
that
I
met
in
the
Hacienda,
he
was
a
bit
older
than
me…
and
my
mate
from
Middlesbrough
introduced
me
to
him…
and
said
you
got…
you’ve
got
to
meet
this
guy!
You’ll
buzz
off
him.
He’d
been
living
in
India
with
a
cult
that
worships
swans
and
he
had
this…..
this….
this..
thing
around
his
neck.
It
was
like
a…
it
was
like
two
it
was
like
two
swans
together
on
a
kind
of
like
a
piece
of
leather
around
his
neck.
He
was
like
a…
kind
of
bit
older
and
a
bit
of
a
hippy
sorta
and
he’d
been
living
with
this
cult
in
India.
And
then
you
know…
who
were
into
all
kinds
of
mad
orgies
and
all
sorts
he’d
come
back
and
lived
in
London
for
a
bit
and
then
he
moved
up
to
Manchester
and
he
was
the
guy
who
started
the
second
Kitchen
which
was
on
a
lower
floor
than
the
first
Kitchen
and…
and
I
became
good
friends
with
Para
at
that
time
and
you
know…
but
there were
all
sorts
of
kind
of
characters
around…
you
know,
I
remember
you
know
the
Hacienda
there
were
few
faces
from
Leeds
or
Sheffield
a
lot
of…
there
was a
contingent
from
Blackpool
contingent
from
around
Chorley
to
Charnock
Richard
area.
Bunch
of
us
from
Blackburn
and
Darwen
you
know,
it
was…
it
was
like
a
Melting
Pot
of
people
from
different
areas.
It
was
like…
and
it
was
like
the
great
thing
about
it
when
it
all
first
started
was
there
was
an
unspoken
code
of
conduct
amongst
everybody.
It
was
like
if
you’re
in
here
listening
to
this
music
wearing
these
clothes
doing
this
with
us….
Then
you
get
it.
You
know,
you
don’t…
you
don’t…
you
know
break
into
people’s
cars
on
the
car
park
outside.
You
don’t…
like
we’re
all
here
together.
It
was
a…
like
a
communal
thing
and
that
unspoken
code
of
conduct
that
existed
amongst
us
all
in
the
early…
you
know
in
1988
was
slowly
eroded
as
it
got
bigger
and
bigger.
And
so…
so
like
what
happened
in
Blackburn
was
after
C’est la Vie
I
remember
went
went
back
to
a
house,
which
was….
it’s
called
Dukes
Brow
it runs
up
the
side
of
Queen
Elizabeth’s
Grammar
at
the
top
of
there…
to a
house
there
and…
and
then
you
know…
for
those
first
Blackburn
parties,
it
was
like…
you
know
those…
it
was
a
very
small
group
of
people.
One
of
the
seminal
events
that
happened
in
Blackburn that
doesn’t
get
talked
about
a
lot
was….
there
was
a
party
in
a
flat
on
Pendle
Drive
and
the
police
broke
into
that
party.
I
wasn’t
at
that
particular
party.
I
was
in
I
was
in
Manchester
that
night….
Was
on
a
Friday
night
and
And
yeah…
So
that
was
one
of
the
seminal
moments….
and
then
the…
the
change
happened
with
the
parties
when
it
went
to
the
Bubble
Factory.
The
Bubble
Factory
was
the
first
Blackburn
warehouse
party.
That
was
when
it
became
a
warehouse
thing.
Not
just
a
lot
of
people
with
a
sound
system
in
somebody’s
flat…
or
somebody’s
house…
and…
And
it
started
to
grow
and
like
I
say…
it
was….
I
can’t
begin
to
tell
you
how
many
good
memories
I
have
of
it
the
first…
the
first
twelve
months.
Nothing
but
good
memories
of those
parties
in
Blackburn.
Yes,
there
were
out-of-towners
there,
but
they
were
predominantly
local
people
in
those
parties…
those
early
parties.
You
know…
to
go
from
kind
of,
you
know,
scally…
shoplifting…
football
hooligans…
You
know
nasty
little
scruffs
to
sort
of…
this
mentality
of
“Parties
for
the
People
by
the
People” …
Parties
without
profit,
you
know,
any
profits
got
to
go
back
to
the
community.
It
was
like
so
idealistic
and
so
exciting
and
we
genuinely…
I
certainly
you
know…
I
naively
thought
we
were
going
to
change
the
world.
Give
up
your
job…
Give
up
College…
Grow
your
hair…
It
was
just…
it
was
just
a
it
was
just
a
great
time
you
know…
You
know
The
Bubble
Factory
parties
again,
you
know,
there
were
there
were
there
were
several
of
them
and
you
know…
the
police
would
be
outside
but
it
was…
it
was
like
and
when
Crackers
was
happening
around
that
time,
you
know,
C’est La vie
didn’t
last
for
very
long
then
it
went
to
Crackers
and
you
know
Crackers….
I
mean
that
was
just
absolutely
rammed
to
capacity,
you
know,
there
was
like
sweat
coming
off
the
ceiling,
you
know,
same in
the
Hacienda..
you
know,
There’d
be
sweat
dripping
off
the
underside
of
the
balcony
onto
you…
your
head..
you
know ?
I
mean
it
was
like,
you
know…
open
that
fire
door
which
kind
of
backed
out
onto
the
canal
at
the
back
of
the
Hacienda
and
there’d
just
be
steam
pouring
out
of
there,
you
know,
but
it
was
predominantly
locals
and
we’d
all
kind
of
come
up
together
and
it
was
just
such…
such
a
you
know…
it
was
like…
it
was
just
so
refreshing
and
just
honest
and
1
and
pure
and
then
it
started
to
change
as
time
went
on.
But
those
first
twelve
months,
you
know
from
August
88
to
August
89
Yeah…
you
know
it
got
off
to
a
kind
of
bumpy
start .
I can
talk
about
someone
having
a
fight
in
the
Kitchen
and
everything
but,
you
know
within
a
very
short
space
of
time
everybody
kind
of
got
on
the
same
buzz…
the
same
groove.
It
was
just
it
was
great,
you
know,
when…
then,
you
know
some
of
those
parties
like
Finnington
Barn
…
some
you
know…
…
phenomenal
nights
there…
you
know,
I
remember
but
one
night at
Finnington
Barn
when
they
tried
to
flood
us
out.
They’ve
got
the
fire
brigade
to
come
down
and
flood us
out
and
then
you’d
see
all
the
stuff
in
the
Telegraph,
which
was
just
you
know…
just
propaganda
basically…
just
lies
about
it.
And
there’s
an
eighteen
year
old
kid
you’d
see
that
stuff
and
that
kind
of
gave
me
a
inherent
distrust
of
the
media
and
the
establishment
for
you
know…
I’m
not
going
to
say
that…
you
know
there
weren’t
you
know…
that
it
wasn’t
flawed
in
some
ways
it
was
but
the
way
it
was
being
demonised
at the time,
you
know,
we
all
knew
that
wasn’t
1
and
in
some
ways
it
made
it
more
kind
of
more
fun.
Was
kind
of
like
they
don’t
like
it?
Great!
It
me
almost
made
it
more
appealing
and
you
know
because
there’s
something
very
subversive
about
that
attitude
of
you
know,
look
after
each
other
be
cool
to
each
other
But
you
know…
stop…
the
fighting
stopped
the
violence,
you
know,
let’s
go
out
there.
Let’s
have
a
party.
Let’s
have
a
good
time
and
the
really
was
a
sense
of
trying
to
look
after
each
other
and
you
know…
the
idea,
you
know…
I
remember
organisers
….
trying
to
give
the
money
to
Blackamore
special school
and
the
you
know…
the
money
being
rejected
and
you
know…
but
seeing
these
guys
who
were
older
than
me
doing
that
stuff.
You
know…
and
some
of
those
guys
came
from
criminal
backgrounds,
you
know…
it
was
like
seeing
such
a
massive
sea
change
in
people’s
attitudes.
It
was…
it
was
like
nothing
I’ve
ever
experienced
before
and
nothing
I’ve
seen
since
really
and
it
was
yeah…
it’s
great.
The
girls
were
pretty…
it
was
just
it
was
just
it
was
just
fun.
It
was
just
fun,
You
know,
you’d
drive
in
you
could
dive
in
a
car
with
people
you
barely
knew
d’ya know
what I mean ?
and
did
have
the
tunes
on
and
it
was…
it
was
you
know…
to
go
from
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
divisive
mentality
the
1980s
and
you
know
football
violence
that
had
sort
of
perpetuated
those
years
that had
felt
like
it
was
never
going
to
go
away
and
hilariously,
you
know…
the
government
was
sort
of
saying
they’d
quashed
hooliganism
when
actually…
you
know…
all
the
hooligans
had
….
just
decided
to
go
party
and
instead,
you
know,
And
so
yeah,
it
was…
you
know
just
lots
of
good
memories
of
it
really.
You
know,
the
Crackers
was
you
know…
that
was
pretty
short-lived
and
then
it
went
to
the
Sett
End
and
the
Sett
End
was
you
know…
it
was
different
than
the
Hacienda
because
the
Hacienda
had
all
the
kind
of
you
know,
the
connection
to
Factory
Records…
New
Order
and
you
know
these
amazing
interiors
and
amazing
aesthetic
with
the
you
know,
the
graphics
and
the
Flyers
and
the
posters.
Where
what
was
happening
in
Blackburn
was
much
more
kind
of
spit
and
sawdust
really.
D’ya know
what I mean ?
And
the
Sett
End
you
know…
the
Red
Parrot
woulda
been
you
know…
I
knew
it
as
a
strip
club
really
and
after
Crackers
stopped
you
know
that
opened
and
it
was
a
Blackburn
Self
Help
and
Leisure
Group
and
you
know…
we
used
to
always
stand
over
near…
the
back
entrance
with
the
fire
exit
was
and
the
toilets
were
and
the
Sett
End
was
just…
it
was
just
great
because
you
know,
Tony
Wilson
used
to say
that
culture
needs
hubs.
And
for
the
Blackburn
parties
the
Sett
End
was
the
hub.
That
was
the
hub.
That
was…
that
that
was
the
place,
you
know,
you
wanted
to
go
to
the
Sett
End
and
then
you
wanted
to
go
to
a
party
later
on,
you
know,
and
one
thing
I’ve
not
heard
anybody
talk
about
was
the
last
night
at
the
Sett
End.
I
never
hear
anyone
talking
about
it
nowadays,
but
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
most
bizarre
experiences,
you
know,
because
from
what
I
gather
and
and
again
my
memory
is
not
that
clear
as
to
what
exactly
had
gone
on
but
I
think
the
brewery
had
refused
to
renew
the
license
and
basically
all
the
Scallywags
who
were in there
just
reverted
to
form
and
it’s
like
we’ve
lost
our
club.
So
let’s
smash
It
up
and
that’s
what
happened.
And
it
was
one
of
the
bizarrest
of
things
because
everybody’s
smiling
partying
while
they’re
ripping
down
the
suspended
ceiling…
Smashing
up
the
toilets…
Emptying
the
cigarette
machines…
Helping
themselves
behind
the
bar.
It
was
like
nothing
you’ve
ever
seen.
It was
just
like
the
Wild
West
in
there.
You
know ?
and
you
know,
you’re
dealing
with
colourful
characters…
and
a
lot
of
them
were,
you
know,
they
weren’t
necessarily
angelic
but
you
know,
I
think
like
I
said
the
intention
with
the
parties
originally
was
it
was
not…
it
was
not
driven
by
money.
It
was
driven
by
something
really
pure
and
really
communal.
And
it
was
only
later
as
the
money
started
to
appear
and
it
started
to
grow.
You
know…
I
feel
it
was
destroyed
from
the
inside
as
much
as
it
was
from
the
outside
really
and….
and
I
don’t
mean
that
necessarily
about
people
from
Blackburn.
I
mean
when
I
say
the
inside
I
mean
people
that
started
to
come
to
the
parties,
you
know?
to
me…
to
me…
the
the
high-tide
mark
of
the
Blackburn
parties
was
September
1989
Live
the
Dream.
Live
the
Dream
was
the
beginning
of
the
end
as
far
as
I’m
concerned,
you
know,
one
thing
that
would
that
I
saw at
Live
the
Dream
that
would
never
have
happened
in
a
Blackburn
party
in
the
early
days….
a
V.I.P
tent!
Nobody
was
any
more
important
than
anybody
else.
Do…
yeah,
you might
of got
the
odd
person
who
might’ve
thought
they
were….
but
it
was
it
was
a…
it
was
a
“WE”
thing….
It
was
a
it
was
not
an
” I “
thing.
It
was
an
” OUR “
thing.
It
was…
it
was
all
of
us
doing
this
together.
We’re
all
doing
this
together
and….
and
so
Live
the
Dream
for
me
while
it’s
remembered
as
being
one
of
the
seminal
Blackburn
parties….
was
really….
…
really
the
beginning
of
when
a
lot
of
the
tourists
started
to turn
up.
A
lot
of
the
tourists…
what
they
didn’t
bring
that…
that
spirit
with
them
and
that
was
when
the
cracks
started
to
show.
and
that
was
when
the
gangsters
started
turning
up
and
that
was
when
the
nastiness
started
happening.
I
remember
one
of
the
parties
…
where
the
police
got
there
before
the
before
the
party
people
got
there.
And
you
know,
it
was
like…
just
went
round
with
…
with
buckets
d’you know
what I
mean?
Just
to
kind
of
cover
the
cost
of
the
party
because
everybody
had
to
rush
the
doors
to
get
in…
There
was
no
taking
money
on
the
door
and
I
said
that
it
was
like
a
nominal
fee.
It
was
it
was
it
was
nothing
and
and
but
then
later
on
when
you
get
in
thousands
and
thousands
of
people
and
….
police
outside,
I
pretty
much
stopped
going.
Early
1990
I
went
to
the
odd
one
after
that.
I’m
really
glad
I
wasn’t
there
to
see
its
demise…
you
know,
and
I
saw
people
chasing
their
tails
for
a
good
year
or
so
after
the
Blackburn
parties
ended.
You
know….
People
driving
round
and
round
to
Charnock
Richard
services
hoping
that
there’s
going
to
be
a
party
appearing
from
somewhere
and
it
was….
it
didn’t
happen.
It
wasn’t…
it
wasn’t
it
wasn’t
going
to
happen…
you
know,
it
was
over
it
was
you
know
there
was
a
nucleus
of
people
in
Blackburn
who
were
a
bit
older
than
me
on
the
whole
who
put
that
thing
together…
and
you
know….
they
know
who
they
are
and
you
know,
the
Godfather
of
it
all
for
me….
the
guy
who
you
know
who
started
the
whole
thing
in
Blackburn
went
away
in
late
88
and
he
was
….is
a
notorious
United
fan…
and
he
knew
a
lot
of
the
Lads
all
the
lads
from
United
and
that
in
a
way…
I
think
that
was
a
lot
of
how
the
Blackburn
Manchester
connection
started.
There
was
a
lot
of
respect
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn,
you
know,
there’s
this
idea
that
someone
had….
a line
in
the
newspaper
the
other
week….
where
they
were
talking
about
when
Blackburn
out
partied
Manchester.
Nobody
out
partied
anybody
because
Manchester
were
integral
to
it,
you
know….
just
as
Blackburn
was
integral
to
the
Hacienda.
So
yeah,
I
mean
just
I
mean
it’s
there
was
so
many
amazing
times.
I
went
on
the
Granada
Upfront
thing.
I
don’t
even
remember
how
that
came
about.
I
was
one
of
the
only
people
from
Darwen
that
was
in
the
audience.
I
remember
getting
the
coach
from
the
Sett
End
to
to
the
TV
studios
to….
to
be
on
there
and
that
that
was
another
of
those
kind
of
moments…
but
by
the
time
that
Upfront
thing
happened,
I
can’t
even
remember
exactly
what
date
Upfront
happened,
…
but
I
think
that
was
just
around
that
time
when
it
was
just
starting
to
for
me
lose
its
magic.
It
was
really
interesting
to
hear
you
talk
about
this
The
reason
there’s
that
connection
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn
and
because
it
is
really
obviously
there
but
a
lot
of
the
they’re
sort
of
conversation
about
it
is
Manchester
gangsters
coming
in
to
the
end
of
it,
but
actually
just
seems
it
was
a
massive
link
through
in
the
positive
area
of
it
as
well?
And
and
you
talked
about
a
few
of
the
negative
things
within
it
as
well
and
some
of
that
kind
of
trajectory
of
everyone
having
this
like
almost
verbal
agreement
of
how
you
treat
each
of
them
and
that
definitely
just
changed.
Towards
the
end.
Can
you
talk
to
me
about
any
more
of
the
negative
things
any
of
the
bad
times
and
that
could
be
in
the
Arc
of
what
happened
after
the
parties
ended
around
Blackburn?
Yeah,
you
know
the
thing
about
the
bad
memories
of
it
is,
you
know…
like
I
said.
I
kind
of
jumped
ship
from
it
really
early
1990
and
so,
you
know,
I
didn’t
witness
a
lot
of
that.
I
remember
going
to
the
Hacienda.
I
started
seeing
a
girl
and
she
took
me
to
the
Hacienda.
on
a
Saturday
night
in
1991
and
it
was
unrecognisable
to
what
I’d
seen
in
1989
…
Totally
different
crowd
of
people.
Everyone’s
dressed
up
like
clothes
horses.
It
was
just
it
was
not
the
same
thing,
you
know.
What
happened
between
…
1988
and
1989
it
was
a
scally
thing.
It
was
a…
it
was
really
scally.
It
was
you
know…
it
was
for
me.
It
was
a
laugh
it
was
you
know…
it
was
it
was
loveable
rogues
during..
dya’
know
what
I
mean ?
They
were
really
Rogues
but
it
was
it
was
it
was
a
it
was
a
giggle.
It
was
a
laugh…
you
know…
and
you
know
Manchester
at
the…
you
know
on
the
face
if it…
the
best
club
….
the
best
bands
….
the
best
DJs
Mike
Pickering
….
was
a
Visionary,
you
know…
but
they
had
you
know,
there’s
always
been
that
connection
that
what…
you
know,
Blackburn
has
always
had that
really
strong
following for
Factory
records.
For
the
size
of
the
place…
you
know,
massive
following
for
New
Order
and
you
know
New
Order
were
aware of
that
and
you
know
that…
so
that
whole
Manchester
thing
was
you
know…
it
was
because
of
the
way
the
media
picked
up
on
“Madchester”
It’s
like
Blackburn
got
kind
of
overshadowed
in it
somewhere,
but
also
Blackburn
was
quite…
it
was
quite….
well
quite
happy
with
it
being
that
way
because
it
was
an
underground
thing.
It
wasn’t
for
the
kind
of
you
know,
tourists
who
were
going
to
go
to
Afflecks
Palace
and
buy
oversized
Joe
Bloggs
jeans
and
Inspiral
Carpets
tops
or
whatever.
You
know ?
the
Hacienda
in
88
and
89
it
was
Chippie
and
Chevignon
Ian
and
Armani
and
Hugo
Boss
and
Martin’s
Evolution
and
CP
company.
It
was…
It
was
kind
of
it
was
you
know,
it
was
it
was
not
that
kind
of…
you
know
media
created
thing.
You
know ?
And
so
there
was…
Yeah,
there
was
there’s
a
mutual
respect
between
between
the
two
places
Manchester
always
had,
you
know,
there
was
always
faces
from
Manchester
at
the
Blackburn
parties
from
the
very
beginning,
you
know.
I mean…
but
those
faces
at
the
very
beginning
were…
were
like,
so
there
was
there
was
just
a
….
just
a
mutual
respect.
I
started
to
see
the
cracks
around
late…
you
know
around
89
I
just
started
to
see
the
cracks.
It
was
like,
you
know…
I
was
going
out
and
didn’t
recognise
everybody
that
was
you
know…
like
there’d
be
you
know
there’d
be
people
coming
over
from
like
say
from
Leeds
or
Huddersfield
….
or
whatever,
but
you
recognised
them
in
you…
you
didn’t
necessarily
go
and
hang
out.
with
them
Same
in the
Hacienda….
just
because
you
know,
the
Happy
Mondays
and
all
their
crowd
was
stood
right
next
to
us.
We
weren’t
going
shaking
hands
Because
they
were
not
part
of
our
crowd…
but
there
was
like
just
an
acknowledgement
between
people
you
kind
of
just
knew
who
the
faces
were
and
you
knew
who
the
faces
were
in
the
scene.
dya know
what
I mean ?
There
was
a
student
element
in
the
Hacienda
and
at
the
same
time
as
there
was
a
kind
of
a
football
hooligan
element
in
the
Hacienda
but
it
was…
it
was
that
kind
of
Melting
Pot
that
made
it
what
it
was…
and
all
you
ever
kind
of….
you
know…
I
don’t
want
to
dwell
on
the
negative
stuff
because
there’s
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
who
were
involved
in
them
parties
and
there
was….
in
the…
you
know
in
the
same
way
as
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
went
to
the
Hacienda.
But
all
you’ll
ever
hear
about
is
that
you
know,
when
it
all
kind
of
went
off
the
boil…
where
I’d
prefer
to
sort
of
just
think
about…
I
just
had
one
of
the
best
years
of
my
life
in
1988-89
at
what
was
one
of
the
most
confusing
times
of
my
life,
you
know ?
because
I
kind
of
wouldn’t
fancy
being
a
teenager
again.
I
found
it
really
kind
of
tough
time
really…
being
a
teenager
trying
to
figure…
figure
out
who
you
are
and
figure
out
your
identity.
But
that
year
it
just
kind
of…
you
know…
it
just
gave
me
faith
in
humanity
which
might
sound
really
over-the-top
statement,
but
it
did.
It
gave
me
faith
in
humanity.
It
made
me
realise
that
even
in
supposedly
bad
people
…
there’s
good,
you
know
the
mean?
and….
and
then
and
then
I
guess
in
the
same
way
in
good
people
there’s
bad,
you
know?
It’s
like
it
was
it
was
just
a….
It
was
just
something
that
you
know…
it’s
very
very
difficult
to
verbalise
and
explain
unless
you
were
there.
Was
just
you
know,
I
would
go
out
on
a
Wednesday
that’d
be
it
for
me.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday
and
when
you
know…
I
remember…
you
know
people
would
be
kind
of
getting
off
at
ten
a.m.
on
a
Sunday
morning
when
the
sun
had
come
up….
and
i’d
be
going…
What
are
you
doing?
Where
are
you
going?
Stay!
Stay!
You
know…
and
I
went
to…
I
went…
the
other
thing
I’d say
as
well…
I
went
to
party…
a
couple
of
parties
in
London
So
I
went
to
the
bigger
went
to
Energy
I
went to
one
of
the
early
Energy
parties…
which
was
in the
film
studios
in
Shepherds
Bush
and
I
went
to
the
big
Sunrise
party
that
was
in
the
airplane
hangar.
That
was
on
the
front
page
of
the
Sun
and
you
know…
it
was
interesting
that
the
cultural
differences
between
Acid
House
in
London
versus
Acid
House
in
Blackburn.
In
Blackburn,
It
was…
it
had
a
much
more
DIY
ethic
about
it.
You
know
and
for
me
the
whole
casual
scally
thing
was
always
subversive…
you
know…
when
we
were
wearing
designer
clothes
in
the
early
and
mid
80s,
you
know,
those
clothes
were
not
aimed
at
kids
like
us….
Giorgio.
Armani
was
not
aiming
to
dress
snotty
kids
off
council
estates
out
of
terraced
houses
do you
know what
I mean ?
It
was…
It
was
kind
of
these
things
that
we
were
wearing
were
objects
of
aspiration,
but
it
was
almost
like
they
weren’t
meant
for
us.
So
it’s
like
well…
they’re
not
for
us.
Well,
we’ll
find
a
way
to
get
them
and
you
know…
and
so
Blackburn
had
a
whole
subculture
which
had
kind
of
come
from
a
generation
before
me…
of
kids
going
abroad.
And
so
that
well…
you
know…
we’ll
find
a
way
to
acquire
these
these
things.
And…
it
was
you
know…
it
wasn’t…
you
know…
it
wasn’t
because
they
were
trying
to
appear
like
they’re
kind
of
at
a
yacht
on
the
French
Riviera.
It
was
kind
of…
it
was
almost
like
saying
we’re
not
supposed
to
wear
this
but
we’re
taking
it
anyway..
you
know…
and…
and
so
that
sort
of
subversive
mentality
It’s
like
there
was
a…
there
was
a
shift
in
that
when
Acid
House
started
..
because
it
was
you
know…
Acid
House
was
as
subversive
as
it
gets…
you
know
speaking
to
some
of
the
lads
who
were
older
than me
who were
around
for
Punk
Rock.
They’re
like….
this
is
the
best
thing
since
Punk.
This
is
better
than
Punk…
you
know.
The
last
question…
we’re
looking
at
this
through
the
lens
of
a
social
history.
So
creating
a
future
archive
so
essentially
there’s someone
someone in
the
future
trying
to
research
things
that
happened
in
working-class
communities
or
youth
culture
around
Blackburn…
and
then
finding
this
archive…
What
message
would
you
give
to
them
or
what
would
you
like
them
to
understand
about
what
this
era
really
meant
in
Blackburn?
For
me
Blackburn
has
got
a
very
rich
history
particularly
when
it
comes
to
its
industrial
history.
But
as
far
as
its
cultural
history
goes
from
a
pop
culture
point
of
view.
There’s
never
been
a
famous
band
really
that
have
come
from
Blackburn.
It’s
not
a
place
that’s
like,
you
know,
I
can’t
think
of
any
famous
artists
that
really
came
from
Blackburn.
So
to
me
when
you’re
looking
at
Pop
Culture….
music..
Culture….
this
thing
that
happened
in
Blackburn
in
1988
was
the
most
significant
thing
that
has
ever
happened
in
Blackburn
when
it
comes…
when
you’re
talking
about
music
culture
and
pop
culture.
It
was
the
most
important
and
most
significant
thing
that
ever
happened
there.
It
was
the
one
thing
about
it
was…
we
were
all
very
present.
We
were
very
present.
I
wasn’t
thinking
about
what
I
was
going
to
be
doing
next
week
or
next
month
or
next
year.
I
was
we
were
all
living
for
the
moment.
We
were
living
for
the
now.
Smartphones
have
really
taken
that
away
from
people.
Very
few
people
live
in
the
now..
now.
Constantly
distracted
by
smartphones…
Acid
House
happened
prior
to
the
internet,
you
know,
and
but
the
the
spirit
of
it….
That
subversive
spirit’s
always
going
to
be
there…
and
it’s…
and
it’s
still
there
now.
You
know ?
It’s
got
its
legacy.
There’s
kids
now
who
are
doing
They’re
doing
parties
…
now
in
2020
They’re
playing
Drum & Bass
and
you
know…
I
went…
I
went
to
one
a couple
of
years
ago.
I
was
about
twenty five
years
older
than
anybody…
than
the
next
youngest
person
in
there,
but
I
found
out
about
it…
and
I
went
and
saw
what
they
were
doing.
And
to
me
it
was
the
spirit
of
1988
all
over
again.
They
weren’t
charging
anybody
to
get
in.
They
advertised
it
on
the
internet.
Kids
get
taxis
to
go
there.
They
meet
out
in
the
middle
of
the
woods
in
Summer.
They
play
their
music.
They
party
and
the
next
morning…
They
clear
the
mess
up
after
themselves
and
they
disappear
back
to
where
they’re
going to.
They’re
not
doing
anybody
any
harm.
It’s
great.
So
it’s
already
got
Legacy.
You
know
a
hundred
years
time….
I
can’t
talk
about
that.
But
you
know,
no
matter
what
you
do.
There’ll
always
be
a
spirit
of
subversion
in
Lancashire.
It
was
there
hundreds
of
years
before
Acid
House…
and
I’m
sure
it’ll
be
there
..
a hundred
years
after.
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me
Blackburn
has
got
a
very
rich
history
particularly
when
it
comes
to
its
industrial
history.
But
as
far
as
its
cultural
history
goes
from
a
pop
culture
point
of
view.
There’s
never
been
a
famous
band
really
that
have
come
from
Blackburn.
It’s
not
a
place
that
sort
of…
you
know…
I
can’t
think
of
any
famous
artists
that
really
came
from
Blackburn.
So
to
me
when
you’re
looking
at
Pop
Culture..
music
culture
this
thing
that
happened
in
Blackburn
in
1988
was
the
most
significant
thing
that
has
ever
happened
in
Blackburn
when
it
comes…
when
you’re
talking
about
music
culture
and
pop
culture.
It
was
the
most
important
and
most
significant
thing
that
ever
happened
there.
It
was
the
one
thing
about
it
was…
we
were
all
very
present.
We
were
very
present.
I
wasn’t
thinking
about
what
I
was
going
to
be
doing
next
week
or
next
month
or
next
year.
I
was…
we
were
all
living
for
the
moment.
We
were
living
for
the
now.
Smartphones
have
really
taken
that
away
from
people.
Very
few
people
live
in
the
now
now.
Constantly
distracted
by
smartphones
Acid
House
happened
prior
to
the
internet.
You
know…
and
but
the
the
spirit
of
it…
that’s
subversive
spirit’s
always
going
to
be
there…
and
it’s…
and
it’s
still
there.
Now.
You
know.
It’s
got
its
legacy.
There’s
kids
now
who
are
doing
the..
they’re
doing
parties
now
in
2020
They’re
playing
Drum & Bass
and
you
know…
I
went…
I
went
to
one
a
couple
of
years
ago.
I
was
about
twenty five
years
older
than
anybody…
than
the
next
youngest
person
in
there
but
I
found
out
about
it…
and
I
went
and
saw
what
they
were
doing.
And
to
me
it
was
the
spirit
of
88
all
over
again.
They
weren’t
charging
anybody
to
get
in.
They
advertised
it
on
the
internet.
Kids
get
taxi’s
to
go
there.
They
meet
out
in
the
middle
of the
woods
in
Summer.
They
play
their
music.
They
party
and
the
next
morning
they
clear
the
mess
up
after
themselves
and
they
disappear
back
to
where
they’re
going
to.
Not
doing
anybody
any
harm.
It’s
great.
So
it’s
already
got
legacy.
You
know
a hundred
years
time.
I
can’t
talk
about
that.
But
you
know,
no
matter
what
you
do.
They’ll
always
be
a
spirit
of
subversion
in
Lancashire.
It
was
there
hundreds
of
years
before
Acid
House
and
I’m
sure
it’ll
be
there
hundreds of
years
after.
Full Transcript:
For
me
Blackburn
has
got
a
very
rich
history
particularly
when
it
comes
to
its
industrial
history.
But
as
far
as
its
cultural
history
goes
from
a
pop
culture
point
of
view.
There’s
never
been
a
famous
band
really
that
have
come
from
Blackburn.
It’s
not
a
place
that
sort
of…
you
know…
I
can’t
think
of
any
famous
artists
that
really
came
from
Blackburn.
So
to
me
when
you’re
looking
at
Pop
Culture..
music
culture
this
thing
that
happened
in
Blackburn
in
1988
was
the
most
significant
thing
that
has
ever
happened
in
Blackburn
when
it
comes…
when
you’re
talking
about
music
culture
and
pop
culture.
It
was
the
most
important
and
most
significant
thing
that
ever
happened
there.
It
was
the
one
thing
about
it
was…
we
were
all
very
present.
We
were
very
present.
I
wasn’t
thinking
about
what
I
was
going
to
be
doing
next
week
or
next
month
or
next
year.
I
was…
we
were
all
living
for
the
moment.
We
were
living
for
the
now.
Smartphones
have
really
taken
that
away
from
people.
Very
few
people
live
in
the
now
now.
Constantly
distracted
by
smartphones
Acid
House
happened
prior
to
the
internet.
You
know…
and
but
the
the
spirit
of
it…
that’s
subversive
spirit’s
always
going
to
be
there…
and
it’s…
and
it’s
still
there.
Now.
You
know.
It’s
got
its
legacy.
There’s
kids
now
who
are
doing
the..
they’re
doing
parties
now
in
2020
They’re
playing
Drum & Bass
and
you
know…
I
went…
I
went
to
one
a
couple
of
years
ago.
I
was
about
twenty five
years
older
than
anybody…
than
the
next
youngest
person
in
there
but
I
found
out
about
it…
and
I
went
and
saw
what
they
were
doing.
And
to
me
it
was
the
spirit
of
88
all
over
again.
They
weren’t
charging
anybody
to
get
in.
They
advertised
it
on
the
internet.
Kids
get
taxi’s
to
go
there.
They
meet
out
in
the
middle
of the
woods
in
Summer.
They
play
their
music.
They
party
and
the
next
morning
they
clear
the
mess
up
after
themselves
and
they
disappear
back
to
where
they’re
going
to.
Not
doing
anybody
any
harm.
It’s
great.
So
it’s
already
got
legacy.
You
know
a hundred
years
time.
I
can’t
talk
about
that.
But
you
know,
no
matter
what
you
do.
They’ll
always
be
a
spirit
of
subversion
in
Lancashire.
It
was
there
hundreds
of
years
before
Acid
House
and
I’m
sure
it’ll
be
there
hundreds of
years
after.
Gary Bad Memories Part 2
Click to play
I
started
to
see
the
cracks
around
late…
you
know
around
89
I
just
started
to
see
the
cracks.
It
was
like,
you
know…
I
was
going
out
and
didn’t
recognise
everybody
that
was
you
know…
like
there’d
be
you
know
there’d
be
people
coming
over
from
like
say
from
Leeds
or
Huddersfield
or
wherever
but
you
recognised
them
and
you…
you
didn’t
necessarily
go
and
hang
out with them.
It
was
the same
in the
Hacienda…
just
because
you
know..
the
Happy
Monday’s
and
all
their
crowd
was
stood
right
next
to
us.
We
weren’t
going
shaking
their
hands
because
they
weren’t
part
of
our
crowd
but
there
was
like
just
an
acknowledgement
between
people
you
kind
of
just
knew
who
the
faces
were
and
you
knew
who
the
faces
were
in
the
scene.
D’ya
know,
what
I
mean?
And
there
was
a
student
element
in
the
Hacienda
and
at
the
same
time
as
there
was
a
kind
of
a
football
hooligan
element
in
the
Hacienda
but
it
was…
it
was
that
kind
of
melting
pot
that
made
it
what
it
was…
and
all
you
ever
kind
of…
you
know…
I
don’t
want
to
dwell
on
the
negatives.
Cos’
there’s
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
who
were
involved
in
them
parties
and
there
was…
in
the…
you
know
…
in
the
same
way
as
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
went
to
the
Hacienda.
But
all
you’ll
ever
hear
about
is
that
you
know…
when
it
all
kind
of
went
off
the
boil…
where…
I’d
prefer
to
sort
of
just
think
about…
I
just
had
one
of
the
best
years
of
my
life
in
1988-89
at
what
was
one
of
the
most
confusing
times
of
my
life.
You
know…
because
I
kind
of
wouldn’t
fancy
being
a
teenager
again.
I
found
it
really
kind
of
tough
time
really…
being
a
teenager
trying
to
figure…
figure
out
who
you
are
and
figure
out
your
identity.
But
that
year
it
just
kind
of…
you
know…
it
just
gave
me
faith
in
humanity
which
might
sound a
really
over-the-top
statement…
but
it
did.
It
gave
me
faith
in
humanity.
It
made
me
realise
that
even
in
supposedly
bad
people
there’s
good.
You
know
what I
mean
and,,,
and
then
I
guess
in
the
same
way
in
good
people
there’s
bad
you
know
It’s
like…
it
was…
it
was
just
a…
it
was
just
something
that
you
know…
it’s
very
very
difficult
to
verbalise
and
explain
unless
you
were
there.
You
just…
you
know
I
would
go
out
on
a
Wednesday
and
that’d
be it
for
me.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday
and
when
you
know…
I
remember…
you
know
people
would
be
kind
of
getting
off
at
0.4166666666666667
on
a
Sunday
morning
when
the
sun
had
come
up
and
i’d
be
going..
C’mon
…
What
are
you
doing?
Where
are
you
going?
Stay!
Stay!
And
you
know..
and I
went
to…
I
went…
the
other
thing
i’d
say
as
well…
I
went
to
party..
a
couple
of
parties
in
London.
So
I
went
to
the
big..
I went
to
Energy
I
went to
one
of
the
early
Energy
parties…
which
was
in
the
film
studios
in
Shepherds
Bush
and
I
went
to
the
big
Sunrise
party
that
was
in
the
airplane
hangar.
That
was
on
the
front
page
of
the
Sun
and
you
know…
it
was
interesting
that…
the
cultural
differences
between
Acid
House
in
London
versus
Acid
House
in
Blackburn.
In
Blackburn
it
was…
it
had
a
much
more
DIY
ethic
about
it.
You
know
and
for
me
the
whole
casual
scally
thing
was
always
subversive…
you
know…
when
we
were
wearing
designer
clothes
in
the
early
and
mid
80s
you
know
those
clothes
were
not
aimed
at
kids
like
us.
Giorgio.
Armani
was
not
aiming
to
dress
snotty
kids
off
council
estates
and
out
of
terrace
style
houses
dy’a
know what
I mean?
It
was…
it
was
kind
of…
these
things
that
we
were
wearing
were
objects
of
aspiration
but
it
was
almost
like
they
weren’t
meant
for
us.
So
it’s
like
well…
they’re
not
for
us.
Well
we’ll
find
a
way
to
get
them
and
you
know…
and
so
Blackburn
had
a
whole
subculture
which
had
kind
of
come
from
a
generation
before
me
of
kids
going
abroad.
And
so
that
well…
you
know…
we’ll
find
a
way
to
acquire
these
these
things
and…
and
it
was
you
know…
it
wasn’t…
you
know…
it
wasn’t
because
they
were
trying
to
appear
like
they’re
kind
of
at
a
yacht
on
the
French
Riviera.
It
was
kind
of…
it
was
almost
like
saying
we’re
not
supposed
to
wear
this
but
we’re
taking
it
anyway..
you
know…
and…
and
so
that’s
sort of
subversive
mentality
it’s
like
there
was
a…
there
was
a
shift
in
that
when
Acid
House
started
because
it
was
you
know
Acid
House
was
as
subversive
as
it
gets…
you
know
speaking
to
some
of
the
lads
who
were
older
than
me
who
were
around
for
Punk.
Rock.
They’re
like…
this
is
the
best
thing
since
Punk.
This
is
better
than
Punk
you
know.
Full Transcript:
I
started
to
see
the
cracks
around
late…
you
know
around
89
I
just
started
to
see
the
cracks.
It
was
like,
you
know…
I
was
going
out
and
didn’t
recognise
everybody
that
was
you
know…
like
there’d
be
you
know
there’d
be
people
coming
over
from
like
say
from
Leeds
or
Huddersfield
or
wherever
but
you
recognised
them
and
you…
you
didn’t
necessarily
go
and
hang
out with them.
It
was
the same
in the
Hacienda…
just
because
you
know..
the
Happy
Monday’s
and
all
their
crowd
was
stood
right
next
to
us.
We
weren’t
going
shaking
their
hands
because
they
weren’t
part
of
our
crowd
but
there
was
like
just
an
acknowledgement
between
people
you
kind
of
just
knew
who
the
faces
were
and
you
knew
who
the
faces
were
in
the
scene.
D’ya
know,
what
I
mean?
And
there
was
a
student
element
in
the
Hacienda
and
at
the
same
time
as
there
was
a
kind
of
a
football
hooligan
element
in
the
Hacienda
but
it
was…
it
was
that
kind
of
melting
pot
that
made
it
what
it
was…
and
all
you
ever
kind
of…
you
know…
I
don’t
want
to
dwell
on
the
negatives.
Cos’
there’s
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
who
were
involved
in
them
parties
and
there
was…
in
the…
you
know
…
in
the
same
way
as
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
went
to
the
Hacienda.
But
all
you’ll
ever
hear
about
is
that
you
know…
when
it
all
kind
of
went
off
the
boil…
where…
I’d
prefer
to
sort
of
just
think
about…
I
just
had
one
of
the
best
years
of
my
life
in
1988-89
at
what
was
one
of
the
most
confusing
times
of
my
life.
You
know…
because
I
kind
of
wouldn’t
fancy
being
a
teenager
again.
I
found
it
really
kind
of
tough
time
really…
being
a
teenager
trying
to
figure…
figure
out
who
you
are
and
figure
out
your
identity.
But
that
year
it
just
kind
of…
you
know…
it
just
gave
me
faith
in
humanity
which
might
sound a
really
over-the-top
statement…
but
it
did.
It
gave
me
faith
in
humanity.
It
made
me
realise
that
even
in
supposedly
bad
people
there’s
good.
You
know
what I
mean
and,,,
and
then
I
guess
in
the
same
way
in
good
people
there’s
bad
you
know
It’s
like…
it
was…
it
was
just
a…
it
was
just
something
that
you
know…
it’s
very
very
difficult
to
verbalise
and
explain
unless
you
were
there.
You
just…
you
know
I
would
go
out
on
a
Wednesday
and
that’d
be it
for
me.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday
and
when
you
know…
I
remember…
you
know
people
would
be
kind
of
getting
off
at
0.4166666666666667
on
a
Sunday
morning
when
the
sun
had
come
up
and
i’d
be
going..
C’mon
…
What
are
you
doing?
Where
are
you
going?
Stay!
Stay!
And
you
know..
and I
went
to…
I
went…
the
other
thing
i’d
say
as
well…
I
went
to
party..
a
couple
of
parties
in
London.
So
I
went
to
the
big..
I went
to
Energy
I
went to
one
of
the
early
Energy
parties…
which
was
in
the
film
studios
in
Shepherds
Bush
and
I
went
to
the
big
Sunrise
party
that
was
in
the
airplane
hangar.
That
was
on
the
front
page
of
the
Sun
and
you
know…
it
was
interesting
that…
the
cultural
differences
between
Acid
House
in
London
versus
Acid
House
in
Blackburn.
In
Blackburn
it
was…
it
had
a
much
more
DIY
ethic
about
it.
You
know
and
for
me
the
whole
casual
scally
thing
was
always
subversive…
you
know…
when
we
were
wearing
designer
clothes
in
the
early
and
mid
80s
you
know
those
clothes
were
not
aimed
at
kids
like
us.
Giorgio.
Armani
was
not
aiming
to
dress
snotty
kids
off
council
estates
and
out
of
terrace
style
houses
dy’a
know what
I mean?
It
was…
it
was
kind
of…
these
things
that
we
were
wearing
were
objects
of
aspiration
but
it
was
almost
like
they
weren’t
meant
for
us.
So
it’s
like
well…
they’re
not
for
us.
Well
we’ll
find
a
way
to
get
them
and
you
know…
and
so
Blackburn
had
a
whole
subculture
which
had
kind
of
come
from
a
generation
before
me
of
kids
going
abroad.
And
so
that
well…
you
know…
we’ll
find
a
way
to
acquire
these
these
things
and…
and
it
was
you
know…
it
wasn’t…
you
know…
it
wasn’t
because
they
were
trying
to
appear
like
they’re
kind
of
at
a
yacht
on
the
French
Riviera.
It
was
kind
of…
it
was
almost
like
saying
we’re
not
supposed
to
wear
this
but
we’re
taking
it
anyway..
you
know…
and…
and
so
that’s
sort of
subversive
mentality
it’s
like
there
was
a…
there
was
a
shift
in
that
when
Acid
House
started
because
it
was
you
know
Acid
House
was
as
subversive
as
it
gets…
you
know
speaking
to
some
of
the
lads
who
were
older
than
me
who
were
around
for
Punk.
Rock.
They’re
like…
this
is
the
best
thing
since
Punk.
This
is
better
than
Punk
you
know.
Gary Bad Memories Part 1
Click to play
Yeah
you
know
the
thing
about
the
bad
memories
of
it
is…
you
know…
like
I
said.
I
kind
of
jumped
ship
from
it
really
early
1990
and
so
you
know
I
didn’t
witness
a
lot
of
that.
I
remember
going
to
the
I
Hacienda.
I
started
seeing
a
girl
and
she
took
me
to
the
Hacienda.
on
a
Saturday
night
1991
and
it
was
unrecognisable
to
what
I’d
seen
in
1989
Totally
different
crowd
of
people.
Everyone’s
dressed
up
like
clothes
horses.
It
was
just
it
was
not
the
same
thing…
you
know.
What
happened
in
between ’88
and 89
it
was
a
scally
thing.
It
was
a…
it
was
really
scally.
It
was
you
know…
it
was
for
me.
It
was
a
laugh
it
was
you
know…
it
was…
it
was
loveable
rogues
during
dya’
know
what
I
mean ?
They
were
really
it
was
it
was
it
was
a
it
was
a
giggle.
It
was
a
laugh…
you
know…
and
you
know
Manchester
had
the…
you
know
on
the
face
if it…
the
best
club
…
the
best
bands
…
the
best
DJs.
Mike
Pickering
was
a
visionary
you
know…
but
they
had
you
know
there’s
always
been
that
connection.
that
what…
you
know
Blackburn
has
always
had that
really
strong
following for
Factory
records.
For
the
size
of
the
place…
you
know.
Massive
following
for
New
Order
and
you
know
New
Order
were
aware
of
that
and
you
know
that…
so
that
whole
Manchester
thing
was
you
know…
it
was
because
of
the
way
the
media
picked
up
on
Madchester.’
It’s
like
Blackburn
got
kind
of
overshadowed
in it
somewhere,
but
also
Blackburn
was
quite…
it
was
quite…
well
quite
happy
with
it
being
that
way
because
it
was
an
underground
thing.
It
wasn’t
for
the
kind
of
y’know
…
tourists
who
were
going
to
go
to
Afflecks
Palace
and
buy
oversized
Joe
Blogs
jeans
and
Inspiral
Carpets
tops
…
or
whatever
you
know.
The
Hacienda
in
88
and
89
It
was
Chippie
and
Chevignon
and
Armani
and
Hugo
Boss
and
Martin’s
Evolution
and
CP
company.
It
was…
it
was
kind
of..
it
was
you
know…
it
was…
it
was
not
that
kind
of…
you
know
media
created
thing
you
know.
And
so
there
was…
yeah
there
was
there’s
a
mutual
respect
…
between
the
two
places.
Manchester
always
had,
you
know,
there
was
always
faces
from
Manchester
at
the
Blackburn
parties
from
the
very
beginning…
you
know.
I mean
but
those
faces
at
the
very
beginning
were…
like
I
say
there
was
there
was
just
a…
just
a
mutual
respect
there.
Full Transcript:
Yeah
you
know
the
thing
about
the
bad
memories
of
it
is…
you
know…
like
I
said.
I
kind
of
jumped
ship
from
it
really
early
1990
and
so
you
know
I
didn’t
witness
a
lot
of
that.
I
remember
going
to
the
I
Hacienda.
I
started
seeing
a
girl
and
she
took
me
to
the
Hacienda.
on
a
Saturday
night
1991
and
it
was
unrecognisable
to
what
I’d
seen
in
1989
Totally
different
crowd
of
people.
Everyone’s
dressed
up
like
clothes
horses.
It
was
just
it
was
not
the
same
thing…
you
know.
What
happened
in
between ’88
and 89
it
was
a
scally
thing.
It
was
a…
it
was
really
scally.
It
was
you
know…
it
was
for
me.
It
was
a
laugh
it
was
you
know…
it
was…
it
was
loveable
rogues
during
dya’
know
what
I
mean ?
They
were
really
it
was
it
was
it
was
a
it
was
a
giggle.
It
was
a
laugh…
you
know…
and
you
know
Manchester
had
the…
you
know
on
the
face
if it…
the
best
club
…
the
best
bands
…
the
best
DJs.
Mike
Pickering
was
a
visionary
you
know…
but
they
had
you
know
there’s
always
been
that
connection.
that
what…
you
know
Blackburn
has
always
had that
really
strong
following for
Factory
records.
For
the
size
of
the
place…
you
know.
Massive
following
for
New
Order
and
you
know
New
Order
were
aware
of
that
and
you
know
that…
so
that
whole
Manchester
thing
was
you
know…
it
was
because
of
the
way
the
media
picked
up
on
Madchester.’
It’s
like
Blackburn
got
kind
of
overshadowed
in it
somewhere,
but
also
Blackburn
was
quite…
it
was
quite…
well
quite
happy
with
it
being
that
way
because
it
was
an
underground
thing.
It
wasn’t
for
the
kind
of
y’know
…
tourists
who
were
going
to
go
to
Afflecks
Palace
and
buy
oversized
Joe
Blogs
jeans
and
Inspiral
Carpets
tops
…
or
whatever
you
know.
The
Hacienda
in
88
and
89
It
was
Chippie
and
Chevignon
and
Armani
and
Hugo
Boss
and
Martin’s
Evolution
and
CP
company.
It
was…
it
was
kind
of..
it
was
you
know…
it
was…
it
was
not
that
kind
of…
you
know
media
created
thing
you
know.
And
so
there
was…
yeah
there
was
there’s
a
mutual
respect
…
between
the
two
places.
Manchester
always
had,
you
know,
there
was
always
faces
from
Manchester
at
the
Blackburn
parties
from
the
very
beginning…
you
know.
I mean
but
those
faces
at
the
very
beginning
were…
like
I
say
there
was
there
was
just
a…
just
a
mutual
respect
there.
Gary Good Memories Part 2
Click to play
I
pretty
much
stopped
going
early
1990
I
went
to
the
old
one
after
that.
I’m
really
glad
I
wasn’t
there
to
see
its
demise…
you
know.
And
I
saw
people
chasing
their
tails
for
a
good
year
or
so
after
the
Blackburn
parties
ended
you
know.
People
driving
round
and
round
to
Charnock
Richard
services
hoping
that
there’s
going
to
be
a
party
appearing
from
somewhere
and
it
was…
it
didn’t
happen.
It wasn’t…
it
wasn’t…
it
wasn’t
going
to
happen…
you
know.
It
was
over
it
was
you
know…
there
was
a
nucleus
of
people
in
Blackburn
who
were
a
bit
older
than
me
on
the
whole
who
put
that
thing
together…
and
you
know…
they
know
who they
are…
and
you
know…
the
Godfather
of
it
all
for
me…
the
guy
who
you
know…
who
started
the
whole
thing
in
Blackburn…
went
away
in
late 88.
And
he
was
is
notorious
United
fan.
And
he
knew
a
lot
of
the
lads..
all
the
lads
from
United
and
that
in
a
way…
I
think
that
was
a
lot
of
how
the
Blackburn
Manchester
connection
started.
There
was
a
lot
of
respect
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn.
You
know
there’s
this
idea
that…
someone
had
line
in
the
newspaper
the
other
week
where
they
were
talking
about
when
Blackburn
out
partied
Manchester’
Nobody
out
partied
anybody
because
Manchester
was
integral
to
it
you
know
just
as
Blackburn
was
integral
to
the
Hacienda
and
so…
Yeah
I
mean
this…
I
mean
it’s…
there
was
so
many
amazing
times.
I
went
on
the
Granada
Upfront
thing.
I
don’t
even
remember
how
that
came
about.
I
was
one
of
the
only
people
from
Darwen
that
was
in
the
audience.
I remember
getting
the
coach
from
the
Sett
End
to…
to
the
TV
studios
to…
to
be
on
there
and
that
was
another
of
those
kind
of
moments…
but
by
the
time
that
Upfront
thing
happened
I
can’t
even
remember
exactly
what
date
Upfront
happened.
But
I
think
that
was
just
around
that
time
when
it
was
just
starting
to…
for
me…
lose
its
magic.
Full Transcript:
I
pretty
much
stopped
going
early
1990
I
went
to
the
old
one
after
that.
I’m
really
glad
I
wasn’t
there
to
see
its
demise…
you
know.
And
I
saw
people
chasing
their
tails
for
a
good
year
or
so
after
the
Blackburn
parties
ended
you
know.
People
driving
round
and
round
to
Charnock
Richard
services
hoping
that
there’s
going
to
be
a
party
appearing
from
somewhere
and
it
was…
it
didn’t
happen.
It wasn’t…
it
wasn’t…
it
wasn’t
going
to
happen…
you
know.
It
was
over
it
was
you
know…
there
was
a
nucleus
of
people
in
Blackburn
who
were
a
bit
older
than
me
on
the
whole
who
put
that
thing
together…
and
you
know…
they
know
who they
are…
and
you
know…
the
Godfather
of
it
all
for
me…
the
guy
who
you
know…
who
started
the
whole
thing
in
Blackburn…
went
away
in
late 88.
And
he
was
is
notorious
United
fan.
And
he
knew
a
lot
of
the
lads..
all
the
lads
from
United
and
that
in
a
way…
I
think
that
was
a
lot
of
how
the
Blackburn
Manchester
connection
started.
There
was
a
lot
of
respect
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn.
You
know
there’s
this
idea
that…
someone
had
line
in
the
newspaper
the
other
week
where
they
were
talking
about
when
Blackburn
out
partied
Manchester’
Nobody
out
partied
anybody
because
Manchester
was
integral
to
it
you
know
just
as
Blackburn
was
integral
to
the
Hacienda
and
so…
Yeah
I
mean
this…
I
mean
it’s…
there
was
so
many
amazing
times.
I
went
on
the
Granada
Upfront
thing.
I
don’t
even
remember
how
that
came
about.
I
was
one
of
the
only
people
from
Darwen
that
was
in
the
audience.
I remember
getting
the
coach
from
the
Sett
End
to…
to
the
TV
studios
to…
to
be
on
there
and
that
was
another
of
those
kind
of
moments…
but
by
the
time
that
Upfront
thing
happened
I
can’t
even
remember
exactly
what
date
Upfront
happened.
But
I
think
that
was
just
around
that
time
when
it
was
just
starting
to…
for
me…
lose
its
magic.
Gary Good Memories Part 1
Click to play
Well
interestingly
you
know…
I
was
going
to
the
Hacienda
so
I
was
also
going
to
The
Kitchen
in
Manchester
which
was
in
Hulme
and
that…
The
Kitchen
was
about
five
minutes
walk
from
where
I
lived
and
the…
there
was
the
first
Kitchen
which
was
on
the
top
floor
of
Charles
Barry
Crescent.
Charles
Barry
Crescent’s
not
there
now
as
far
as
I’m
aware..
you
know…
but
it
was
like…
Hulme
was
…
like
this
completely
you
know…
it
was
almost
like
an
area
Manchester
that’d
just
been
written
off
like…
barely
anyone
in
Hulme
paid
rent
you
know…
You
know…
I
remember
when
I
eventually
moved
into
Hulme
you
know
people
came
round
and
put
your
electricity
on
for
you
and
like…
it
was
it
was…
was
pretty
lawless
down
there
really
you
know…
and
there’d
be
…
sort
of
graffiti
on
the
flats
about
Viraj
Mendis
and
you
know…
and
the
first
Kitchen
was…
I
think
it
was
a
guy
called
Jamie
who was
behind
it.
It was
on
the
top
floor
of
the
Charles
Barry
Crescent
and
it
was
two
flats
had
been
knocked
together
and
it
was
tiny.
It
was
tiny.
And
I
remember
it
would
have
been
the
beginning of
beginning of
September
1998
I were
in
there
and
a
lad
of
from
Blackburn
…
got
in
a
fight
in
there
with
a
lad
from
Manchester
and
they
were
both
big
lads
and
it
was
scary
and
we
were
looking
at
each
other
like..
Are
they
going
to
close
the
doors
on
there?
And
Is
there
going
to
be
a
witch hunt
for
Blackburners
you
know…
but
there
wasn’t
and
there
was
kind
of…
that
didn’t
happen.
but
there
was…
That
was
nothing…
that
was
nothing.
It
wasn’t
comparable
The
Kitchen
to
what
eventually
happened
in
Blackburn.
The
Kitchen
a guy
ended up
getting
thrown
off
the…
the
top
I
believe
erm..
from
a
different
area of
Manchester
and
then
The
Kitchen
shut
down
and
then
there
was
a
second
kitchen
that
reopened
and
that
was
reopened
by
a
guy
called
Para.
Para
was
one
of
these
characters
that
I
met
in
Hacienda.
And
he
was
a
bit
older
than
me
and
my
mate
from
Middlesbrough
introduced
me
to
him…
and
said
you
got…
you’ve
got
to
meet
this
guy.
You’ll
buzz
off
him.
He’d
been
living
in
India
with
a
cult
that
worships
swans
and
he
had
this…
this…
this
thing
around
his
neck.
It
was
like
a…
it
was
like
two…
it
was
like
two…
…
swans
together
on
a
kind
of…
like
a
piece
of
leather
around
his
neck.
He
was
like
a…
kind
of
bit
older
and
a
bit
of
a
hippy
sorta
…
and
he’d
been
living
with
this
cult
in
India.
And
then
you
know…
who were
into
all
kinds
of
mad
orgies
and
all
sorts…
he’d
each
come
back and
lived
in
London
for
a
bit
and
then
he
moved
up
to
Manchester
…
and
he
was
the
guy
who
started
the
second
Kitchen
which
was
on
a
lower
floor
than
the
first
Kitchen
and…
and
I
became
good
friends
with
Para
at
that
time
and
you
know…
but
there were
all
sorts
of
kind
of
characters
around…
you
know.
I
remember
you
know
the
Hacienda.
There
were
few
faces
from
Leeds
or
Sheffield
a
lot
of…
there
was a
contingent
from
Blackpool…
a contingent
from
around
sort
of
Chorley
…
Charnock Richard
area.
Bunch
of
us
from
Blackburn
with
Darwen
you
know.
It
was…
it
was
like
a
melting
pot
of
people
from
different
areas.
It
was
like…
and
it
was
like
the
great
thing
about
it
when
it
all
first
started
was
there
was
an
unspoken
code
of
conduct
amongst
everybody.
It
was
like
if
you’re
in
here
listening
to
this
music.
Wearing
these
clothes/
Doing
this.
With
us.
Then
you
get
it.
You
know
you
don’t…
you
don’t…
you
know
break
into
people’s
cars
on
the
car
park
outside.
You
don’t…
like
we’re
all
here
together.
It
was
a…
like
a
communal
thing
and
that
unspoken
code
of
conduct
that
existed
amongst
us
all
in
the
early…
you
know
in
1988
was
slowly
eroded
as
it
got
bigger
and
bigger.
And
so…
so
like
what
happened
in
Blackburn
was
after
C’est la Vie
I
Remember
we
all
went
back
to
a
house
which
was…
it’s
called
Dukes
Brow..
it runs
up
the
side
of
Queen
Elizabeth’s
Grammar
at
the
top
of
there..
to
house
there
and…
and
then
you
know…
for
those
first
Blackburn
parties
it
was
like…
you
know
those…
it
was
a
very
small
group
of
people.
One
of
the
seminal
events
that
happened
in
Blackburn
that
nobody
talks
about
a
lot
was…
there
was
a
party
in
a
flat
on
Pendle
Drive
and
the
police
broke
into
that
party.
I
wasn’t
at
that
particular
party.
I
was
in…
I
was
in
Manchester
that
night
was
on
a
Friday
night
and
And
yeah,
so
that
was
one
of
the
seminal
moments…
and
then
the…
the
change
happened
with
the
parties
when
it
went
to
the
Bubble
Factory.
The
Bubble
Factory
was
the
first
Blackburn
warehouse
parties.
That
was
when
it
became
a
warehouse
thing.
Not
just
a
lot
of
people
with
a
sound
system
in
somebody’s
flat
or
somebody’s
house
and…
and
it
started
to
grow
and
like
I
say…
it
was…
I
can’t
begin
to
tell
you
how
many
good
memories
I
have
of
it.
The
first…
the
first
twelve
months.
Nothing
but
good
memories
those
parties
in
Blackburn.
Yes
there
were
out-of-towners
there,
but
they
were
predominantly
local
people
in
those
parties
those
early
parties
you
know…
to
go
from
kind
of…
you
know…
scally
shoplifting
football
hooligans…
You
know
nasty
little
scruffs.
To
sort
of
this
mentality
of
parties
for
the
People
by
the
people.
Parties
without
profit
you
know.
Any
profits
got
to
go
back
to
the
community.
It
was
like
so
idealistic
and
so
exciting
and
we
genuinely…
I
certainly
you
know…
I
naively
thought
we
were
going
to
change
the
world.
Give
up
your
job.
Give
up
college.
Grow
your
hair.
It
was
just…
it
was
just
a…
it
was
just
a
great
time
you
know.
You
know
The
Bubble
Factory
parties
again
you
know…
there
were…
there
were….
there
were
several
of
them
and
you
know…
the
police
would
be
outside
but
it
was…
it
was
like
and
when
Crackers
was
happening
around
that
time
you
know…
C’est La vie
didn’t
last
for
very
long
then
it
went
to
Crackers
and
you
know
Crackers…
I
mean
that
was
just
absolutely
rammed
to
capacity
you
know.
There
was
like
sweat
coming
off
the
ceiling
you
know…
same in
the
Hacienda
you
know.
There’d
sweat
dripping
off
the
underside
of
the
balcony
onto
you
your
heads
you
know.
I
mean
it
was
like
you
know…
open
that
fire
door
which
kind
of
backed
out
onto
the
canal
at
the
back
of
the
Hacienda
and
there’d
just
be
steam
pouring
out
of
there
you
know.
But
it
was
predominantly
locals
and
we’d
all
kind
of
come
up
together
and
it
was
just
such…
such
a
you
know…
it
was
like…
it
was
just
so
refreshing
and
just
honest
and
true
and
pure
and
then
it
started
to
change
as
time
went
on
but
those
first
twelve
months
you
know…
from
August
88
to
August
89
Yeah…
you
know
it
got
off
to
a
kind
of
bumpy
start.
I can
talk
about
someone
having
a
fight
in
The
Kitchen
and
everything
but
you
know
within
a
very
short
space
of
time
everybody
kind
of
got
on
the
same buzz…
the
same
groove.
It
was
just
it
was
great.
you
know
when…
and
then…
you
know,
some
of
those
parties
like
Finnington
Barn
…
some
you
know…
phenomenal
nights
there…
you
know.
I
remember
one
night
at
Finnington
Barn
when
they
tried
to
flood
us
out.
They’ve
got
the
fire
brigade
to
come
down
and
flood us
out
and
then
you’d
see
all
the
stuff
in
the
Telegraph,
which
was
just
you
know…
Just
propaganda
basically…
just
lies
about
it.
And
there
as an
eighteen
year
old
kid
you’d
see
that
stuff
and
that
kind
of
gave
me
an
inherent
distrust
of
the
media
and
the
establishment
for
you
know…
I’m
not
going
to
say
that…
you
know
there
weren’t
you
know…
that
it
wasn’t
flawed
in
some
ways.
It
was
but
the
way
it
was
being
demonised
at the
time
y’know…
we
all
knew
that
wasn’t
true
and
in
some
ways
it
made
it
more…
kind
of
more
fun.
It
was
kind
of
like…
they
don’t
like
it?
Great.
It
almost
made
it
more
appealing
and
you
know
because
there’s
something
very
subversive
about
that
attitude
of
you
know…
look
after
each
other
be
cool
to
each
other.
But
you
know…
stop…
the
fighting
stopped
the
violence
you
know…
let’s
go
out
there.
Let’s
have
a
party.
Let’s
have
a
good
time
and
there
really
was
a
sense
of
trying
to
look
after
each
other
and
you
know…
the
idea
you
know…
I
remember…
organisers
trying
to
give
the
money
to
Blackamore
special
school
…
and
the
you
know…
the
money
being
rejected
and
you
know…
but
seeing
these
guys
who
were
older
than
me
doing
that
stuff.
You
know…
and
some
of
those
guys
came
from
criminal
backgrounds
you
know…
It
was
like
seeing
such
a
massive
sea
change
in
people’s
attitudes.
It
was…
it
was
like
nothing
I’ve
ever
experienced
before
and
nothing
I’ve
seen
since
really
and
it
was
Yeah…
it’s
great.
The
girls
were
pretty.
It
was
just
it
was
just
it
was
just
fun.
It
was
just
fun.
You
know
you’d
drive
in
it…
you
could
drive
in
a
car
with
people
you
barely
knew
d’ya know
what I mean
and
did
have
the
tunes
on
and
it
was…
it
was
you
know….
to
go
from
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
divisive
mentality
of the
1980s
and
you
know
football
violence.
That had
sort
of
perpetuated
those
years
that had
felt
like
it
was
never
going
to
go
away
and
then
hilariously
you
know…
the
government
was
sort
of
saying
they’d
quashed
football
hooliganism
when
actually…
you
know..
all
the
hooligans
had
just
decided
…
to
go
party
and
instead
you
know.
And
so
yeah
it
was…
you
know
just
lots
of
good
memories
of
it
really.
You
know
the
Crackers
was
you
know…
that
was
pretty
short-lived
and
then
it
went
to
the
Sett
End
and
the
Sett
End
was
you
know…
it
was
different
than
the
Hacienda
because
the
Hacienda
had
all
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
connection
to
Factory
Records…
New
Order
and
you
know
these
amazing
interiors
and
amazing
aesthetic
with
the
you
know…
the
graphics
and
the
flyers
and
the
posters.
Where
what
was
happening
in
Blackburn
was
much
more
kind
of
spit
and
sawdust
really.
D’ya know
What
I
mean
in
the
Sett
End
you
know…
the
Red
Parrot
woulda
been
you
know…
I
knew
it
as
a
strip
club
really
and
after
Crackers
stopped
you
know
…
that
opened
and
it
was
the
Blackburn
Self
Help
and
Leisure
Group
and
you
know…
we
used
to
always
stand
over
near…
the
back
entrance
with
the
fire
exit
was
and
the
toilets
were…
and….
The
Sett
End
was
just..
it
was
just
great
because
you
know,
Tony
Wilson
used
to say
that…
culture
needs
hubs.
And
for
the
Blackburn
parties
the
Sett
End
was
the
hub.
That
was
the
hub.
That
was…
that…
that
was
the
place…
you
know
you
wanted
to go
to
The Sett
End
and
then
you
wanted
to
go
to
a
party
later
on.
You
know
it
was
…
One
thing
I’ve
not
heard
anybody
talk
about
was
the
last
night
at
The
Sett
End.
I
never
hear
anyone
talking
about
it
nowadays
but
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
most
bizarre
experiences
you
know…
because
they…
from
what
I
gather
and
and
again
my
memory
is
not
that
clear
as
to
what
exactly
had
gone
on
but
I
think
the
brewery
had
refused
to
renew
the
license
and
basically
all
the
Scallywags
who
were
in
there
just
reverted
to
form
and
it’s
like…
we’ve
lost
our
club.
So
let’s
smash
It
up
and
that’s
what
happened.
And
it
was
one
of
the
bizarrest
of
things
because
everybody’s
smiling
partying
while
they’re
ripping
down
the
suspended
ceiling.
Smashing
up
the
toilets.
Emptying
the
cigarette
machines.
Helping
theirselves
behind
the
bar.
It
was
like
nothing
you’ve
ever
seen.
It was
just
like
the
Wild
West
in
there…
you
know…
and
like
I
say,
you
know…
like
you
know…
you
dealing
with
colorful
characters
and
a
lot
of
them
were,
you
know,
they
weren’t
necessarily
angelic
but
you
know…
I
think
like
I
said
the
intention
with
the
parties
originally
was…
it
was
not…
it
was
not
driven
by
money.
It
was
driven
by
something
really
pure
and
really
communal.
And
it
was
only
later
as
the
money
started
to
appear
and
it
started
to
grow.
You
know…
I
feel
it
was
destroyed
from
the
inside
as
much
as
it
was
from
the
outside
really
and…
and
I
don’t
mean
that
necessarily
about
people
from
Blackburn.
I
mean
when
I
say
the
inside.
I
mean
people
that
started
to
come
to
the
parties
you
know.
To
me
to
me
the…
the
high
tide
mark
of
the
Blackburn
parties
was
September
1989
Live
the
Dream
Live.
The
Dream
was
the
beginning
of
the
end
as
far
as
I’m
concerned
you
know.
One
thing
that
would
that
I
saw at
Live
The
Dream
that
would
never
have
happened
in
a
Blackburn
party
in
the
early
days…
a
VIP
tent!
Nobody
was
any
more
important
than
anybody
else.
Do…
yeah
you might
of got
the
odd
person
who
might
thought
they
were
but
it
was…
it
was
a…
it
was
a
we
thing.
It
was
a…
it
was
not
an
i
thing.
It
was
an
our
thing.
It
was…
it
was
all
of
us
doing
this
together.
We’re
all
doing
this
together
and…
and
so
Live
The
Dream
for
me
while
it’s
remembered
as
being
one
of
the
seminal
Blackburn
parties.
It
was
really…
really
the
beginning
of
when
a
lot
of
the
tourists
started
to turn
up.
A
lot
of
tourists…
what
they
didn’t
bring
that…
that
spirit
with
them
and
that
was
when
the
cracks
started
to
show.
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Well
interestingly
you
know…
I
was
going
to
the
Hacienda
so
I
was
also
going
to
The
Kitchen
in
Manchester
which
was
in
Hulme
and
that…
The
Kitchen
was
about
five
minutes
walk
from
where
I
lived
and
the…
there
was
the
first
Kitchen
which
was
on
the
top
floor
of
Charles
Barry
Crescent.
Charles
Barry
Crescent’s
not
there
now
as
far
as
I’m
aware..
you
know…
but
it
was
like…
Hulme
was
…
like
this
completely
you
know…
it
was
almost
like
an
area
Manchester
that’d
just
been
written
off
like…
barely
anyone
in
Hulme
paid
rent
you
know…
You
know…
I
remember
when
I
eventually
moved
into
Hulme
you
know
people
came
round
and
put
your
electricity
on
for
you
and
like…
it
was
it
was…
was
pretty
lawless
down
there
really
you
know…
and
there’d
be
…
sort
of
graffiti
on
the
flats
about
Viraj
Mendis
and
you
know…
and
the
first
Kitchen
was…
I
think
it
was
a
guy
called
Jamie
who was
behind
it.
It was
on
the
top
floor
of
the
Charles
Barry
Crescent
and
it
was
two
flats
had
been
knocked
together
and
it
was
tiny.
It
was
tiny.
And
I
remember
it
would
have
been
the
beginning of
beginning of
September
1998
I were
in
there
and
a
lad
of
from
Blackburn
…
got
in
a
fight
in
there
with
a
lad
from
Manchester
and
they
were
both
big
lads
and
it
was
scary
and
we
were
looking
at
each
other
like..
Are
they
going
to
close
the
doors
on
there?
And
Is
there
going
to
be
a
witch hunt
for
Blackburners
you
know…
but
there
wasn’t
and
there
was
kind
of…
that
didn’t
happen.
but
there
was…
That
was
nothing…
that
was
nothing.
It
wasn’t
comparable
The
Kitchen
to
what
eventually
happened
in
Blackburn.
The
Kitchen
a guy
ended up
getting
thrown
off
the…
the
top
I
believe
erm..
from
a
different
area of
Manchester
and
then
The
Kitchen
shut
down
and
then
there
was
a
second
kitchen
that
reopened
and
that
was
reopened
by
a
guy
called
Para.
Para
was
one
of
these
characters
that
I
met
in
Hacienda.
And
he
was
a
bit
older
than
me
and
my
mate
from
Middlesbrough
introduced
me
to
him…
and
said
you
got…
you’ve
got
to
meet
this
guy.
You’ll
buzz
off
him.
He’d
been
living
in
India
with
a
cult
that
worships
swans
and
he
had
this…
this…
this
thing
around
his
neck.
It
was
like
a…
it
was
like
two…
it
was
like
two…
…
swans
together
on
a
kind
of…
like
a
piece
of
leather
around
his
neck.
He
was
like
a…
kind
of
bit
older
and
a
bit
of
a
hippy
sorta
…
and
he’d
been
living
with
this
cult
in
India.
And
then
you
know…
who were
into
all
kinds
of
mad
orgies
and
all
sorts…
he’d
each
come
back and
lived
in
London
for
a
bit
and
then
he
moved
up
to
Manchester
…
and
he
was
the
guy
who
started
the
second
Kitchen
which
was
on
a
lower
floor
than
the
first
Kitchen
and…
and
I
became
good
friends
with
Para
at
that
time
and
you
know…
but
there were
all
sorts
of
kind
of
characters
around…
you
know.
I
remember
you
know
the
Hacienda.
There
were
few
faces
from
Leeds
or
Sheffield
a
lot
of…
there
was a
contingent
from
Blackpool…
a contingent
from
around
sort
of
Chorley
…
Charnock Richard
area.
Bunch
of
us
from
Blackburn
with
Darwen
you
know.
It
was…
it
was
like
a
melting
pot
of
people
from
different
areas.
It
was
like…
and
it
was
like
the
great
thing
about
it
when
it
all
first
started
was
there
was
an
unspoken
code
of
conduct
amongst
everybody.
It
was
like
if
you’re
in
here
listening
to
this
music.
Wearing
these
clothes/
Doing
this.
With
us.
Then
you
get
it.
You
know
you
don’t…
you
don’t…
you
know
break
into
people’s
cars
on
the
car
park
outside.
You
don’t…
like
we’re
all
here
together.
It
was
a…
like
a
communal
thing
and
that
unspoken
code
of
conduct
that
existed
amongst
us
all
in
the
early…
you
know
in
1988
was
slowly
eroded
as
it
got
bigger
and
bigger.
And
so…
so
like
what
happened
in
Blackburn
was
after
C’est la Vie
I
Remember
we
all
went
back
to
a
house
which
was…
it’s
called
Dukes
Brow..
it runs
up
the
side
of
Queen
Elizabeth’s
Grammar
at
the
top
of
there..
to
house
there
and…
and
then
you
know…
for
those
first
Blackburn
parties
it
was
like…
you
know
those…
it
was
a
very
small
group
of
people.
One
of
the
seminal
events
that
happened
in
Blackburn
that
nobody
talks
about
a
lot
was…
there
was
a
party
in
a
flat
on
Pendle
Drive
and
the
police
broke
into
that
party.
I
wasn’t
at
that
particular
party.
I
was
in…
I
was
in
Manchester
that
night
was
on
a
Friday
night
and
And
yeah,
so
that
was
one
of
the
seminal
moments…
and
then
the…
the
change
happened
with
the
parties
when
it
went
to
the
Bubble
Factory.
The
Bubble
Factory
was
the
first
Blackburn
warehouse
parties.
That
was
when
it
became
a
warehouse
thing.
Not
just
a
lot
of
people
with
a
sound
system
in
somebody’s
flat
or
somebody’s
house
and…
and
it
started
to
grow
and
like
I
say…
it
was…
I
can’t
begin
to
tell
you
how
many
good
memories
I
have
of
it.
The
first…
the
first
twelve
months.
Nothing
but
good
memories
those
parties
in
Blackburn.
Yes
there
were
out-of-towners
there,
but
they
were
predominantly
local
people
in
those
parties
those
early
parties
you
know…
to
go
from
kind
of…
you
know…
scally
shoplifting
football
hooligans…
You
know
nasty
little
scruffs.
To
sort
of
this
mentality
of
parties
for
the
People
by
the
people.
Parties
without
profit
you
know.
Any
profits
got
to
go
back
to
the
community.
It
was
like
so
idealistic
and
so
exciting
and
we
genuinely…
I
certainly
you
know…
I
naively
thought
we
were
going
to
change
the
world.
Give
up
your
job.
Give
up
college.
Grow
your
hair.
It
was
just…
it
was
just
a…
it
was
just
a
great
time
you
know.
You
know
The
Bubble
Factory
parties
again
you
know…
there
were…
there
were….
there
were
several
of
them
and
you
know…
the
police
would
be
outside
but
it
was…
it
was
like
and
when
Crackers
was
happening
around
that
time
you
know…
C’est La vie
didn’t
last
for
very
long
then
it
went
to
Crackers
and
you
know
Crackers…
I
mean
that
was
just
absolutely
rammed
to
capacity
you
know.
There
was
like
sweat
coming
off
the
ceiling
you
know…
same in
the
Hacienda
you
know.
There’d
sweat
dripping
off
the
underside
of
the
balcony
onto
you
your
heads
you
know.
I
mean
it
was
like
you
know…
open
that
fire
door
which
kind
of
backed
out
onto
the
canal
at
the
back
of
the
Hacienda
and
there’d
just
be
steam
pouring
out
of
there
you
know.
But
it
was
predominantly
locals
and
we’d
all
kind
of
come
up
together
and
it
was
just
such…
such
a
you
know…
it
was
like…
it
was
just
so
refreshing
and
just
honest
and
true
and
pure
and
then
it
started
to
change
as
time
went
on
but
those
first
twelve
months
you
know…
from
August
88
to
August
89
Yeah…
you
know
it
got
off
to
a
kind
of
bumpy
start.
I can
talk
about
someone
having
a
fight
in
The
Kitchen
and
everything
but
you
know
within
a
very
short
space
of
time
everybody
kind
of
got
on
the
same buzz…
the
same
groove.
It
was
just
it
was
great.
you
know
when…
and
then…
you
know,
some
of
those
parties
like
Finnington
Barn
…
some
you
know…
phenomenal
nights
there…
you
know.
I
remember
one
night
at
Finnington
Barn
when
they
tried
to
flood
us
out.
They’ve
got
the
fire
brigade
to
come
down
and
flood us
out
and
then
you’d
see
all
the
stuff
in
the
Telegraph,
which
was
just
you
know…
Just
propaganda
basically…
just
lies
about
it.
And
there
as an
eighteen
year
old
kid
you’d
see
that
stuff
and
that
kind
of
gave
me
an
inherent
distrust
of
the
media
and
the
establishment
for
you
know…
I’m
not
going
to
say
that…
you
know
there
weren’t
you
know…
that
it
wasn’t
flawed
in
some
ways.
It
was
but
the
way
it
was
being
demonised
at the
time
y’know…
we
all
knew
that
wasn’t
true
and
in
some
ways
it
made
it
more…
kind
of
more
fun.
It
was
kind
of
like…
they
don’t
like
it?
Great.
It
almost
made
it
more
appealing
and
you
know
because
there’s
something
very
subversive
about
that
attitude
of
you
know…
look
after
each
other
be
cool
to
each
other.
But
you
know…
stop…
the
fighting
stopped
the
violence
you
know…
let’s
go
out
there.
Let’s
have
a
party.
Let’s
have
a
good
time
and
there
really
was
a
sense
of
trying
to
look
after
each
other
and
you
know…
the
idea
you
know…
I
remember…
organisers
trying
to
give
the
money
to
Blackamore
special
school
…
and
the
you
know…
the
money
being
rejected
and
you
know…
but
seeing
these
guys
who
were
older
than
me
doing
that
stuff.
You
know…
and
some
of
those
guys
came
from
criminal
backgrounds
you
know…
It
was
like
seeing
such
a
massive
sea
change
in
people’s
attitudes.
It
was…
it
was
like
nothing
I’ve
ever
experienced
before
and
nothing
I’ve
seen
since
really
and
it
was
Yeah…
it’s
great.
The
girls
were
pretty.
It
was
just
it
was
just
it
was
just
fun.
It
was
just
fun.
You
know
you’d
drive
in
it…
you
could
drive
in
a
car
with
people
you
barely
knew
d’ya know
what I mean
and
did
have
the
tunes
on
and
it
was…
it
was
you
know….
to
go
from
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
divisive
mentality
of the
1980s
and
you
know
football
violence.
That had
sort
of
perpetuated
those
years
that had
felt
like
it
was
never
going
to
go
away
and
then
hilariously
you
know…
the
government
was
sort
of
saying
they’d
quashed
football
hooliganism
when
actually…
you
know..
all
the
hooligans
had
just
decided
…
to
go
party
and
instead
you
know.
And
so
yeah
it
was…
you
know
just
lots
of
good
memories
of
it
really.
You
know
the
Crackers
was
you
know…
that
was
pretty
short-lived
and
then
it
went
to
the
Sett
End
and
the
Sett
End
was
you
know…
it
was
different
than
the
Hacienda
because
the
Hacienda
had
all
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
connection
to
Factory
Records…
New
Order
and
you
know
these
amazing
interiors
and
amazing
aesthetic
with
the
you
know…
the
graphics
and
the
flyers
and
the
posters.
Where
what
was
happening
in
Blackburn
was
much
more
kind
of
spit
and
sawdust
really.
D’ya know
What
I
mean
in
the
Sett
End
you
know…
the
Red
Parrot
woulda
been
you
know…
I
knew
it
as
a
strip
club
really
and
after
Crackers
stopped
you
know
…
that
opened
and
it
was
the
Blackburn
Self
Help
and
Leisure
Group
and
you
know…
we
used
to
always
stand
over
near…
the
back
entrance
with
the
fire
exit
was
and
the
toilets
were…
and….
The
Sett
End
was
just..
it
was
just
great
because
you
know,
Tony
Wilson
used
to say
that…
culture
needs
hubs.
And
for
the
Blackburn
parties
the
Sett
End
was
the
hub.
That
was
the
hub.
That
was…
that…
that
was
the
place…
you
know
you
wanted
to go
to
The Sett
End
and
then
you
wanted
to
go
to
a
party
later
on.
You
know
it
was
…
One
thing
I’ve
not
heard
anybody
talk
about
was
the
last
night
at
The
Sett
End.
I
never
hear
anyone
talking
about
it
nowadays
but
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
most
bizarre
experiences
you
know…
because
they…
from
what
I
gather
and
and
again
my
memory
is
not
that
clear
as
to
what
exactly
had
gone
on
but
I
think
the
brewery
had
refused
to
renew
the
license
and
basically
all
the
Scallywags
who
were
in
there
just
reverted
to
form
and
it’s
like…
we’ve
lost
our
club.
So
let’s
smash
It
up
and
that’s
what
happened.
And
it
was
one
of
the
bizarrest
of
things
because
everybody’s
smiling
partying
while
they’re
ripping
down
the
suspended
ceiling.
Smashing
up
the
toilets.
Emptying
the
cigarette
machines.
Helping
theirselves
behind
the
bar.
It
was
like
nothing
you’ve
ever
seen.
It was
just
like
the
Wild
West
in
there…
you
know…
and
like
I
say,
you
know…
like
you
know…
you
dealing
with
colorful
characters
and
a
lot
of
them
were,
you
know,
they
weren’t
necessarily
angelic
but
you
know…
I
think
like
I
said
the
intention
with
the
parties
originally
was…
it
was
not…
it
was
not
driven
by
money.
It
was
driven
by
something
really
pure
and
really
communal.
And
it
was
only
later
as
the
money
started
to
appear
and
it
started
to
grow.
You
know…
I
feel
it
was
destroyed
from
the
inside
as
much
as
it
was
from
the
outside
really
and…
and
I
don’t
mean
that
necessarily
about
people
from
Blackburn.
I
mean
when
I
say
the
inside.
I
mean
people
that
started
to
come
to
the
parties
you
know.
To
me
to
me
the…
the
high
tide
mark
of
the
Blackburn
parties
was
September
1989
Live
the
Dream
Live.
The
Dream
was
the
beginning
of
the
end
as
far
as
I’m
concerned
you
know.
One
thing
that
would
that
I
saw at
Live
The
Dream
that
would
never
have
happened
in
a
Blackburn
party
in
the
early
days…
a
VIP
tent!
Nobody
was
any
more
important
than
anybody
else.
Do…
yeah
you might
of got
the
odd
person
who
might
thought
they
were
but
it
was…
it
was
a…
it
was
a
we
thing.
It
was
a…
it
was
not
an
i
thing.
It
was
an
our
thing.
It
was…
it
was
all
of
us
doing
this
together.
We’re
all
doing
this
together
and…
and
so
Live
The
Dream
for
me
while
it’s
remembered
as
being
one
of
the
seminal
Blackburn
parties.
It
was
really…
really
the
beginning
of
when
a
lot
of
the
tourists
started
to turn
up.
A
lot
of
tourists…
what
they
didn’t
bring
that…
that
spirit
with
them
and
that
was
when
the
cracks
started
to
show.
Gary Getting Involved
Click to play
I
first
heard
about
Acid
House
from
a
good
friend
of
mine
in
Darwen.
There was
a
gang
of
us
who’d
been
into
Electro
music
and
Hip-Hop
and
we
kind
of
got
out
of
that
around
late
1985
and
he
can…
he
got
into
a
thing
called
Jazz
Fusion
and
they
used
to
go
to
a
lot
of
all
dayers
and
I
remember
him
telling
me
that
he
was
into
House
music
and
saying
there’s
this
new
new
type
of
house
music
called
Acid
House.
And
I
thought
that’s
odd
because
I’d
heard
I knew
what
acid
was
and
I
knew
what
House
music
was
but
I
thought
what
an
odd
combination
and
…
then
probably
a
few
months
after
that
that
would
have
been
kind
of
early
1988
a
few
months
after…
that
would
have
been
August
1988
I
was
in
a
bar
in
Blackburn.
It
was
called
Blakey’s
I
don’t
know
if
was
called
Blakey’s
at
that
point
and
it
was back of
King
George’s
Hall
and
a
lad
I
knew
called
Bucky…
bless
his
soul.
He’s
no
longer
with
us.
Came
rushing
in
there
with
a
massively
oversized
t-shirt
with
a
big
smiley
face
on
the
front
and
he
looked
like
he
was
out
of
breath
and
I
thought..
what’s
going
on
here?
And
then
a
few
days
after
seeing
Bucky
in
there
because
he
was
like…
you
know
…
you’ve
got
to
get
into
Acid
House.
You’ve
got
to
get
into
Acid
House
and
I
was
like…
what’s
this?
What’s
going
on
here?
And I
moved
to
Manchester
I
think
it
would
have
been
within
a
matter
of
days
after
bumping
into
him
in
Blackburn.
I
moved
to
Manchester
August
1988
to
go
over
there
to
study
fashion
design
and
I
got
a
part-time
job
in
a
clothes
shop
in
Bridge
Street
in
Manchester
called
Carl
Twigg
and
two
girls
worked
in
that
shop
with
me
one
was
called
Fiona…
one was
called
Rebecca.
Fiona
did
the
door
of
the
Hacienda
and
Rebecca
was
on
the
staff
of
the
Hacienda.
Rebecca’s
a
girl
who’s
got
short
dark
hair
and who
Shaun
Ryder
dances
with
in
the
Wrote
For
Luck
video.
Happy
Monday’s
Wrote
For
Luck
video.
And
I
used
to
have
a
laugh
with
them
in
the
shop.
And
you
know…
they
just
thought
I was
some
cheeky
Scally
from
Darwen
and
I
didn’t
last
very
long
in
that
job
because
what
happened
was…
they
invited
me
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
remember
going
to
Hacienda
with…
I
met
a lad
from
Middlesbrough
who
was
at
college
as
well.
And
he
used
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
met
his
kind
of
crowd
of
mates
and
they
were
from
all
over…
you
know…
they’re
from
Nottingham
London
you
know
and
they’d
all
gone
to
Manchester
to
go
to
college.
And
so
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda…
it
would
have
been
the
end
of
August ’88
and
when
I
was
in
the
Hacienda
with
my
new
kind
of
group
of
mates
I’ve
met
in
Manchester
I
bumped
into
some
of
the
older
crowd
from
Blackburn
who
were
from…
predominantly
from
the
Mill Hill
area of
Blackburn
and
I
knew
a
few
of
them
from
err
cos’
they used
to come up
Caz’s bar
in
Darwen
and…
and
I
started
to
stand
with
them
in
the
Hacienda.
We
used
to
stand…
there
were…
there
were
like
alcoves
under
the
balcony
of
the
Hacienda.
The
first
alcove
eventually
became
known
as
Salford
corner.
And
that’s
where
people
like
Shaun
Ryder
and
Andy
Rourke
from
The
Smiths
used
to
sit
along
with
a
lot
of
kind
of
pretty
moody
Manchester
characters…
but
they
were
you
know
there
were
some
colorful
characters
who
used
to
stand
in
there.
And
then
the
next
section
along
was
where
everybody
from
Blackburn
used
to
stand
say
Blackburn.
Blackburn
and
Darwen.
And
erm..
there
was
a
group
of
us
in
there.
And
then
I
think
it
would
have
been
a
week
or
so
after
that
…
the
first
Acid
House
night
happened
in
Blackburn
at
C’est La Vie’s
on a
Thursday
night.
And
so
I
was
kind
of
I
was
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn
for
much
of
the
next
kind
of
twelve
to
eighteen
months
really
and
so
I
sort
of
saw
both
sides
of
it.
I
was
I
was
a
regular
in
the
Hacienda
on
the
Wednesday
night
and
a
Friday
night.
And
then
I
would
generally
come
up
to
Blackburn
on
a
Saturday.
Once
the
Blackburn
Acid
House
nights
moved
on
to
Saturdays
when
it
started
to
go
to
Crackers
and
then
later
to
the
Sett
End.
So
yeah
it
was
a
really.
It
was
just
a
phenomenal
time.
It’s
just
right…
it’s
just
the…
being
in
the
right
place
at
the
right
time
and
what
I
saw
happen
was
nothing
short
of
transformative
really
because
being
from
Darwen
and
hanging
around
with
a
multi-racial
gang
of kids.
We’d
spent
much
of
the
mid-80s
going
over
to
Bolton…
Farnworth…
Manchester…
Bury…
and
just
avoiding
Blackburn
because
there
was
so
much
violence
in
Blackburn
and
there
was
so
much
racism.
Blackburn
and
every
area
of
Blackburn
had
it’s own
gang
and one
one
thing
all
those
gangs
in
Blackburn
had
in
common
was
they
all
hated
kids
from
Darwen
and
I
remember
when
I
went
to
art
college
in
Blackburn
i’d
have
been
seventeen
years
old
in
1987
I
used
to
go
to
walk to
college
with
a
bat
in
my
bag
because
it
was
dangerous
to…
it
was
like
running
the
gauntlet
…
walking
through
Blackburn
for
a
Darwen…
for
a
Darwen
kid
at
that
age.
It
was..
it
was…
it
was
volatile
and
it
was
rough
and
it
was
ruthless.
And
so
you
had
to
watch
your
back
and
it
was…
the
interesting
thing
was
you
know…
I
knew
a
lot
of
lads
from
Blackburn
from
different
areas
of
Blackburn
and
lived with
a
few
lads
from
Mill
Hill…
a
few
lads
from
Little
Harwood
erm…
i’d
been
to
Prestatyn
on
holiday…
a
few
years
earlier.
I
met
a
lot
of
them and
I
got
on with
one
particular
lad
from
Blackburn who
moved
up
to
Darwen
and
I
became
very
good
friends
with
him.
And
so
it
was…
yeah
it
was…
it
was
really
really
dangerous
for…
for
us
going
in
to
Blackburn
at
that
time.
for
us
lads
from
Darwen
and…
and
then
when
Acid
House
came
along
that
night at
C’est La Vie’s…
it
literally
changed
overnight.
It
just…
it
just
stopped
years
worth
of
gang
violence
between
different
areas.
It
just
stopped
and
I
remember
feeling
slightly
uneasy
at
that
first
night
in
C’est La Vie’s
because
it
just
seemed
bizarre.
But
all
these
lads
from
different
areas
of
Blackburn
and
Darwen
were
all
under
the
same
roof.
It’s
like
you
if
you’d
gone
to
anything
like
that
prior to that
you
were
almost
waiting
for
that
moment.
When
the
music
would
stop
and
there’d
be
like
a
fight
on
the
dance
floor
and
chairs
would
be
getting
thrown.
Then
bottles
would
be
getting
thrown.
It
was…
it
just…
it
just
stopped
overnight
and…
which
was
great
you
know.
It
was
great
and
you
know…
and
we
all
kind
of
knew
each
other
and
it
was
almost
like
it
was
just
like
overnight
there
was
like
this
ceasefire
and
it
was…
yeah
it
was
phenomenal.
Full Transcript:
I
first
heard
about
Acid
House
from
a
good
friend
of
mine
in
Darwen.
There was
a
gang
of
us
who’d
been
into
Electro
music
and
Hip-Hop
and
we
kind
of
got
out
of
that
around
late
1985
and
he
can…
he
got
into
a
thing
called
Jazz
Fusion
and
they
used
to
go
to
a
lot
of
all
dayers
and
I
remember
him
telling
me
that
he
was
into
House
music
and
saying
there’s
this
new
new
type
of
house
music
called
Acid
House.
And
I
thought
that’s
odd
because
I’d
heard
I knew
what
acid
was
and
I
knew
what
House
music
was
but
I
thought
what
an
odd
combination
and
…
then
probably
a
few
months
after
that
that
would
have
been
kind
of
early
1988
a
few
months
after…
that
would
have
been
August
1988
I
was
in
a
bar
in
Blackburn.
It
was
called
Blakey’s
I
don’t
know
if
was
called
Blakey’s
at
that
point
and
it
was back of
King
George’s
Hall
and
a
lad
I
knew
called
Bucky…
bless
his
soul.
He’s
no
longer
with
us.
Came
rushing
in
there
with
a
massively
oversized
t-shirt
with
a
big
smiley
face
on
the
front
and
he
looked
like
he
was
out
of
breath
and
I
thought..
what’s
going
on
here?
And
then
a
few
days
after
seeing
Bucky
in
there
because
he
was
like…
you
know
…
you’ve
got
to
get
into
Acid
House.
You’ve
got
to
get
into
Acid
House
and
I
was
like…
what’s
this?
What’s
going
on
here?
And I
moved
to
Manchester
I
think
it
would
have
been
within
a
matter
of
days
after
bumping
into
him
in
Blackburn.
I
moved
to
Manchester
August
1988
to
go
over
there
to
study
fashion
design
and
I
got
a
part-time
job
in
a
clothes
shop
in
Bridge
Street
in
Manchester
called
Carl
Twigg
and
two
girls
worked
in
that
shop
with
me
one
was
called
Fiona…
one was
called
Rebecca.
Fiona
did
the
door
of
the
Hacienda
and
Rebecca
was
on
the
staff
of
the
Hacienda.
Rebecca’s
a
girl
who’s
got
short
dark
hair
and who
Shaun
Ryder
dances
with
in
the
Wrote
For
Luck
video.
Happy
Monday’s
Wrote
For
Luck
video.
And
I
used
to
have
a
laugh
with
them
in
the
shop.
And
you
know…
they
just
thought
I was
some
cheeky
Scally
from
Darwen
and
I
didn’t
last
very
long
in
that
job
because
what
happened
was…
they
invited
me
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
remember
going
to
Hacienda
with…
I
met
a lad
from
Middlesbrough
who
was
at
college
as
well.
And
he
used
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
met
his
kind
of
crowd
of
mates
and
they
were
from
all
over…
you
know…
they’re
from
Nottingham
London
you
know
and
they’d
all
gone
to
Manchester
to
go
to
college.
And
so
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda…
it
would
have
been
the
end
of
August ’88
and
when
I
was
in
the
Hacienda
with
my
new
kind
of
group
of
mates
I’ve
met
in
Manchester
I
bumped
into
some
of
the
older
crowd
from
Blackburn
who
were
from…
predominantly
from
the
Mill Hill
area of
Blackburn
and
I
knew
a
few
of
them
from
err
cos’
they used
to come up
Caz’s bar
in
Darwen
and…
and
I
started
to
stand
with
them
in
the
Hacienda.
We
used
to
stand…
there
were…
there
were
like
alcoves
under
the
balcony
of
the
Hacienda.
The
first
alcove
eventually
became
known
as
Salford
corner.
And
that’s
where
people
like
Shaun
Ryder
and
Andy
Rourke
from
The
Smiths
used
to
sit
along
with
a
lot
of
kind
of
pretty
moody
Manchester
characters…
but
they
were
you
know
there
were
some
colorful
characters
who
used
to
stand
in
there.
And
then
the
next
section
along
was
where
everybody
from
Blackburn
used
to
stand
say
Blackburn.
Blackburn
and
Darwen.
And
erm..
there
was
a
group
of
us
in
there.
And
then
I
think
it
would
have
been
a
week
or
so
after
that
…
the
first
Acid
House
night
happened
in
Blackburn
at
C’est La Vie’s
on a
Thursday
night.
And
so
I
was
kind
of
I
was
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn
for
much
of
the
next
kind
of
twelve
to
eighteen
months
really
and
so
I
sort
of
saw
both
sides
of
it.
I
was
I
was
a
regular
in
the
Hacienda
on
the
Wednesday
night
and
a
Friday
night.
And
then
I
would
generally
come
up
to
Blackburn
on
a
Saturday.
Once
the
Blackburn
Acid
House
nights
moved
on
to
Saturdays
when
it
started
to
go
to
Crackers
and
then
later
to
the
Sett
End.
So
yeah
it
was
a
really.
It
was
just
a
phenomenal
time.
It’s
just
right…
it’s
just
the…
being
in
the
right
place
at
the
right
time
and
what
I
saw
happen
was
nothing
short
of
transformative
really
because
being
from
Darwen
and
hanging
around
with
a
multi-racial
gang
of kids.
We’d
spent
much
of
the
mid-80s
going
over
to
Bolton…
Farnworth…
Manchester…
Bury…
and
just
avoiding
Blackburn
because
there
was
so
much
violence
in
Blackburn
and
there
was
so
much
racism.
Blackburn
and
every
area
of
Blackburn
had
it’s own
gang
and one
one
thing
all
those
gangs
in
Blackburn
had
in
common
was
they
all
hated
kids
from
Darwen
and
I
remember
when
I
went
to
art
college
in
Blackburn
i’d
have
been
seventeen
years
old
in
1987
I
used
to
go
to
walk to
college
with
a
bat
in
my
bag
because
it
was
dangerous
to…
it
was
like
running
the
gauntlet
…
walking
through
Blackburn
for
a
Darwen…
for
a
Darwen
kid
at
that
age.
It
was..
it
was…
it
was
volatile
and
it
was
rough
and
it
was
ruthless.
And
so
you
had
to
watch
your
back
and
it
was…
the
interesting
thing
was
you
know…
I
knew
a
lot
of
lads
from
Blackburn
from
different
areas
of
Blackburn
and
lived with
a
few
lads
from
Mill
Hill…
a
few
lads
from
Little
Harwood
erm…
i’d
been
to
Prestatyn
on
holiday…
a
few
years
earlier.
I
met
a
lot
of
them and
I
got
on with
one
particular
lad
from
Blackburn who
moved
up
to
Darwen
and
I
became
very
good
friends
with
him.
And
so
it
was…
yeah
it
was…
it
was
really
really
dangerous
for…
for
us
going
in
to
Blackburn
at
that
time.
for
us
lads
from
Darwen
and…
and
then
when
Acid
House
came
along
that
night at
C’est La Vie’s…
it
literally
changed
overnight.
It
just…
it
just
stopped
years
worth
of
gang
violence
between
different
areas.
It
just
stopped
and
I
remember
feeling
slightly
uneasy
at
that
first
night
in
C’est La Vie’s
because
it
just
seemed
bizarre.
But
all
these
lads
from
different
areas
of
Blackburn
and
Darwen
were
all
under
the
same
roof.
It’s
like
you
if
you’d
gone
to
anything
like
that
prior to that
you
were
almost
waiting
for
that
moment.
When
the
music
would
stop
and
there’d
be
like
a
fight
on
the
dance
floor
and
chairs
would
be
getting
thrown.
Then
bottles
would
be
getting
thrown.
It
was…
it
just…
it
just
stopped
overnight
and…
which
was
great
you
know.
It
was
great
and
you
know…
and
we
all
kind
of
knew
each
other
and
it
was
almost
like
it
was
just
like
overnight
there
was
like
this
ceasefire
and
it
was…
yeah
it
was
phenomenal.
Klak Full Interview
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What’s
your
first
memory?
How
how
did
this
all
start
for
you?
I
was
going
to
C’est La Vie
you
know,
and
I
was
in
there
one
night
and
for
some
reason
we
got
jumped…
dragged
into
a
car
and
taken
to
Pendle
Drive
and
there
was
a
party
going
on
up
there.
I
think
it
was
after
the
notorious
riot
…or
that
happened
up
there
…or
I
left
early.
I
think.
…
…
…
But
I
got
there
with
a
mate
and
there
was
sort
of
a
small
P.A.
stacked
up
and
nobody
knew
what
to
do
with
it,
which
was
a
sort
of
recurring
theme
to
come.
You
know,
nobody….
nobody
knew
what…
anything
about
PA’s
or
you
know
that
you
needed
one
in
some
cases,
you
know
people
trying
to
use
home
stereos
and
whatever.
So,
yeah,
and
then
I
don’t
know
what
I
was
doing
wi’ mi
life
but
then
it
was
on
to
Crackers
and
attended
Crackers.
So there
was
an
obvious
need
for
somebody
to
do
lighting
particularly
and
I
was
asked
to
do…
I
don’t
know
why
but
I
was
asked
to
do
was
some
flyers
for
Crackers.
Yeah.
I
could
knock
out
posters
for
bands
and
for
gigs
and
whatever.
…
Yeah,
I
was
asked
to
do
a
poster
for it…
and
that
carried
on
for
a
while.
So,
where’d
you
get
the
idea
from
the…
from
each
poster?
Was
it
…
was
you
like
…
asked
each
week?
Or
was
it
just…
off
the
top
of
your
head.
Usually
I’d
be
asked
later
on
…
Tony
in
particular…
he’d
give
me
like…
a
theme.
Dance
with
the
Devil
perhaps
or
Beside
the
Seaside
or
you
know…
and
I’d
have
to
work
with
that.
Other
times.
It
was
just
like
a
big
tune
at the
time..
Keep
on
Reaching
or
whatever…
inspired
by
that,
you
know,
so
…
you’d
take
that
and…
do
something
with
that.
So
obviously
they
asked
you
to
…
…
help
out
with
the
sound
and
the
lighting.
well.
there
was an
obvious
need
for
it
as
well.
You
know.
You
just
see..
…
somebody
needs
to
sort
this
out.
You
know,
like
lighting
was
just
a
strobe in
Crackers
and
it
was
but
it
certainly
inside…
I
don’t
like
this.
Y’know
…
Yeah.
They
need
more.
Yeah…
so
you
got
some
UV’s
together
and
y’know
a few
pin
spots
and a
few
moving
lights.
And
it
made
all
the
difference
y’know.
We’d
had to
go
around
all
the
like
North
West’s
available
PA
hire
systems
and
convince
them
we were
having
a
21st
or
band…
putting
a
band
on
or
something
and
we’d
hire
a
P.A.
you
know…
and
I
was
the
only
one
who
knew
how
to
do…
you
know
to
set up
a P.A.
and of
course
after…
these
places
you
can’t
you
couldn’t
really
go
back
could
you?
Oh
no.
once
they
had
the
P.A.
taken
away
by
the
police.
They’d
been
warned
by
the
police.
not
too
hire
to
anyone
y’know.
When
do
you
think
ermm
this
was?
Is
this…
what…
Can
you
put
a
time
stamp
on
it?
Well
the
early
parties
it…
it
was
like
Finnington
Lane
…
The
Bike
Shop.
All
the
early
ones
before
you
came
into
it…
y’know.
…
I
had
enough
on
my
plate
and
through
a
mutual
friend…
She
said
…
Joe…
Joe…
does
P.A.
i’ve
got
this
mate
called
Joe…
He
does
P.A.
He’ll
rent it
out
so
I
gave
you
a
call
and
the
rest
is
history
because
it
was
too
big
for
one
person
on
their
own
to
do
all
that.
It
was
a
full-time
job
seven
days
at
week
spending
all…
all
week…
I was
spending all
week
driving
around
with
Tony
and
Tommy.
Doing
something
or
other
y’know.
…
Can
you
describe
how
it
was
in
Crackers?
When…
when
it
when
it
all
started?
What
would.
you
say…
was
it
was
it
something
amazingly
new
to
you?
What
do
you…
what
did
you
think?
Y’know
it
was
just
interesting
and
it
was
just
so
you
could
sell
there
was
something
new
there
and
it
was
sort
of…
it
became
this
sort
of this
movement
that
you
know.
It
was
very
important.
It
was…
something’s
happening
here.
Y’know
people
would do
absolutely
anything,
y’know
to
get a
party
off
afterwards
y’know.
It
was
all
about
the
cause
the
cause
everything
was
for
the
cause,
you
know,
it’s
work
all
week
for
nothing
for
the
cause
y’know.
And
do
whatever
it
took
for
the
cause.
We
became
masters
of
improvisation,
you
know,
I’ll
go
and
strip
a
bit of
cable
off
that
wall…
there
now
off
this
Old
Mill
and
that’ll
do
twisted
together
and
that’ll
make
an
extension
y’know.
Yeah,
we had this
wooden
chair
and
a
long
raincoat.
I
remember
me and
Tony
taking
it
in
turns
to
stand
on
this
wooden
chair.
The
one’ d
stand
on
the
chair
with
the
coat
on
twisting
wires
around
a
breaker
bar
which
was
about
to
go
live
any
second
and
the
other
one…
would
hang
onto
the
tails
of
the
raincoat
ready
to
pull
them
off
the
chair
when
they
lit up…
when
they
made
contact,
you
know.
So
we
had
that
few
weeks.
We’d
have
it
sort
of
always
there…
the
wooden
chair
and
the
raincoat.
Be like..
it’s your
turn!
Yeah.
I
think
for
me
it
was
like
Finnington
Lane
like
Crackers
you
know
before
it
got
too
big.
It
was
just
great.
Y’know
it
was
all
good
you
know,
there
was
nothing
negative
about
it
at
all.
It
was
all
good
we
were
really
making
something
happen.
Y’know
it
was
yeah,
everyone
was
prepared
to
do
whatever
to
make
it
happen.
And
once
we’ve
got
the
party
off
it
was
like…
yes
we’ve
done
it
again.
Yeah.
How
many
people
would
you
say
for
them…
for
those
first
ones?
Probably
less
than
a hundred
y’know
we’re
talking
about
like
The
Bike
Shop
and
y’know
know
Bubble
Factory
perhaps
a
couple
of
hundred
y’know
and
then
every
week
it
would
double
that
double
that
double
that.
Finnington
Lane
was
quite
big.
The
local
Bobby
turned
up
on
his
bike.
Y’know.
What’s
happening
lads?
Said…
we’re
opening
an
engineering
works
and
that.
And
we
just
got
a
few
mates
in.
He was
like
besta luck
lads
y’know…
Hope
you
do
well
with
your
business…
and
off
he
went.
Was
this…
is this
in
the
afternoon?
Musta
been
when we were
setting
up.
Or
maybe
we’d
started
the
party
actually.
It
was
earlier…
well
it
must
have
been
like
early
evening
or…
like
late-night.
Must
of
been
if
the
party
was happening.
It
was
like…
best
of
luck
lads…
and
…
he
went
on
his
bike.
As
it
got
sort
of
outta
control,
y’know
and
everyone
wanted
a
piece
of
it…
y’know
…
money,
y’know
know
money
was
what
was
driving
a
lot
of
people
whereas
we
were
all
working
for
nothing.
For
the
cause
other
people
were
all
about
the
money,
y’know.
And
yeah,
that
was
a
big
negative
especially
looking
back,
y’know.
Yeah,
you
know
you
realise
how
much
effort
you
put
in
just
for
the
cause…
to
get
it
off
and
y’know.
It
makes
you
feel a
bit
sort
of
in
two
minds
about…
a
bit
sort
of
used
really
in
a way
perhaps?
I
don’t
know.
D’ya
wanna
talk
about
King
George’s
Hall?
Ohhh
King
George’s!
Ohhh
Yeah,
I
was
like
house
crew at
King
George’s
so
…
if
a
band
came
in…
a
touring
band.
A
few
of
us
would
go
in
there
and
you
know,
obviously
load
up
…
the
gear
and
load
out
the
gear
and
set
it
all
up
basically
so
it
was
a
handy
place
to
pick
up
bits
of
equipment
and
also…
going
back
to
the
flyers
posters.
I
used
to
be
able
to
blag
my
way
in
there
going
down
to
see
one
of
the
full-time
staff
just
breezed
past
reception.
Yeah,
you
know
they
sort of
knew
me
face
so
I
could
get
in
and
the
office
where
the
photocopier
was
it
had
a
sort
of
two-foot
gap
over
the
top
of
the
partition.
So
I
had
to
jump
in
there…
climb
over
the
top
of
the
office.
Get
on
the
photocopier
and
run
a
few
hundred
copies
of
this
poster
or
whichever
that
weeks
poster
that
was..
and
once
one of
the
big
King
George’s
…
the
big
boss
came
in
unlocked
the
door
and
I
was
trapped
…
I
couldn’t
run.
You
know,
there
was
nowhere
to
run.
So
he
came
walking
over
to
the
photocopier
picked
one
of
the
posters
up
and
went…
Oh
what’s
this
then?
Y’know…
and
went..
Very interesting’
…
put
it
down
sat at
his
desk
and
carried
on.
It
was
like
okay…
sound.
So
no…
consequences
then?
…
No…
no…
Was
there
any
equipment
ever
used
from
King
George’s
at
the
parties?
Yes.
It
was…
Dave P
…
Got
nicked
after
one
of
the
parties
Taking…
driving
this….
some
equipment
that
he’d
borrowed.
Yeah.
He
got
pulled
for
that
and
he
got
in
some
trouble
and
had
to
go
see
his manager
the
next
day
and
explain
that
he
was
facing
charges.
Y’know…
we
were
actually
doing
the
pantomime
at
the
time
and
we
borrowed
some
bits
of
lighting
equipment
and
…
a
mirror
ball
and
I
think
that
was
for
the
slaughterhouse
and
Dave
get…
he
ended
up
getting
nicked
afterwards
anyway,
and
he
had
to
go
in
the
next
day
because
he
was
a
full
time.
You
know,
he
had…
it
was
his
job
to
he
was
like
house
technician.
So
we
had
to go
and see his
manager
the
next
day
and
explain
that
he
was
facing
charges,
you
know,
it
was
a
big
deal
at
the
time
because
of…
…
they’d
scared
him.
Yeah.
He
could
lose
his
job
and
all
the
rest
of…
it.
Huh.
Pretty
serious
for a
guy who’s
got a
mortgage.
and
all
that.
But
he…
he
carried…
he
got
away
with
it?
Yeah,
nothing
came
of
it,
you
know.
Explain…
explain
more
about
the
artwork…
just
explain
what
course
you’d
been
on
and
done..
It
was just
a B-Tec…
it
was
supposed
to
in
…
graphic
design.
Y’know
sometimes
it
could
come
really
easily
and
other
times
like
I
say, i’d
be
given a
theme.
Other
times
Thursday
Friday, Saturday
night,
even
I’d
be
sitting
there
thinking
oh God
I’ve
got
to
do
these
posters.
Yeah,
and
it
was
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
do.
But
yeah
like…
like
the
parties
they
always
get
done.
One
way
or
another.
I
think
you
reminded
me
that at
Blackburn
Tech
we
did
the
same
thing.
In
there
one
time
jumping
over
a
partition
to
get
access
to
a
photocopier.
Guerrilla
photocopying.
Yeah
same
thing.
I’d
have
to
run
on
errr,,
I’d
do
two
I’d do
two
shades
because
there were
always two
there
was
no
such
thing
as
colour
copy.
In
those
days
you
got
red
and
you
got
black.
So
I
use
colored
paper.
And
i’d
put
it
through
the
photocopier
once and
copy
one
side
with
the
black
and
then
I’d
get
the
red
and
put
that
on
the
photocopier…
load
everything
into
the
photocopier
again…
have to
get
the
register
get…
you
know…
get
it
lined
up
correctly
and
then
you’d
have
a
two
or
three
colour
copy
by
the
time
it
went
through
the
machine,
you
know,
you
made
the
best
of
what
you
could
you
know.
You
got
the
three
coloured
copy
by
using
colored
paper
and
using
the
red
and
the
black
over
again.
Everything’s
done
kind
of
D.I.Y
It
was
Oh
extremely…
yeah…
D.I.Y.
Yeah,
I
think
one
time
ended
up
paying
for
copies
at a
proper
copying
shop
and
I
think
two hundred
copies
came
to
about
thirty five quid
…
or
something,
you
know
for
two
colour
copies!
I’ll
carry
on
climbing
over
partitions.
Yes,
what
was…
what
were
your
first
impressions
when
this
number
started
to
grow
to
like
a
thousand
plus?
I
don’t
know…
every
week
me
and
Tommy
give
each
other
this
look.
Like
wow,
you
know.
Look
how
many
people
there
are,
you
know,
and
looking
for
venues
you’d
think…
oh
this
should
be
plenty
big
enough…
but
whatever
venue
you got…
it
was
always
rammed
wasn’t
it?
It was
always
rammed
and
sometimes
you
think…
hang
on
is this
a
bit
too
big?
Y’know…
is
this
going
to
be
too
big?
Because
y’know
you
lose
the
atmosphere
don’t ya
if
you’ve
got
lots
of
space?
But
it
never
happened.
We
were
always
full.
When
it
stopped…erm
I’d
had
enough
of
Blackburn
basically.
A
few
things
had
happened
y’know
Manchester
and
what
have
ya..
it was
just
time
to
get
out
y’know.
I
was…
I
was…
I
moved
into
Minstrels
for
a
bit
and
y’know
kept
that
going
for
y’know…
I
don’t
know
maybe
a
year
or
something
that
was
pretty
successful
on
a
weekend
y’know…
But
then
I
just
had
enough
and
left
Blackburn
and
ended
up
in
Greece
within
a
few
weeks
came
back
from
Greece…
got
a
job
in
the
Midlands
errr
met
aload
of
hippie
geezers
down
in
the
Midlands.
Put
on
quite
a
few
squat
parties
and
boat
parties
because
of
all
the…
because
of
the
record…
we
did
that
record
with
Tommy’s
High
on
Hope
sample…
me
and
Dave
and
a
couple
of
the
other
lads.
We
did
that
High
on
Hope
because
it
was
a…
it
was
just
one
of
them
wannit?
High
on
Hope
y’know.
Yeah…
that
sounds
great.
Yeah
love
that.
So
we used
that.
Made
that
record.
So
sort
of….
wherever
you
went
people…
I
mean,
I
met
people
in
Greece.
Who
were
like…
you
made
that
record?
Y’know
That
was
weird.
Everyone
had
heard
it.
Everyone
y’know.
So
these
guys
in
the
Midlands
one
day
I
mentioned
oh yeah
I
did
that
they’re like
like.
Whoah.
Yeah.
That
was
you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So…
So
I
ended
up
doing
boat
parties…
squat
parties…
all
sorts
wi’
them.
And
yeah…
I
was
work…
Then
I
got
a
job
as
a
courier.
I
was
working
as
a
courier
in
the
Midlands
for
a
while.
Did
me’
back
in at work.
Spent
a
few
weeks
lying
on
me
back again.
I
just
went
back to
live
in
Greece
again.
Spent
a
couple
of
years
living
in
Greece.
Okay.
What
about
the
artwork?
Has
that
stopped?
No,
I
still
do it
but
it’s…
if
someone
comes
and
asks
me
for
something.
You
know,
someone
says…
ohh
can
you
do
a
flyer
for
this?
Yeah,
I
still
do
stuff,
y’know.
The
radio
station
turned
up.
It
just
got
delivered
to
my
house
as…
The
idea
was
around
the
time
of
Live
The
Dream
I
think
that
was.
I’m
not
sure
but
I
remember
it…
was
sort
of
…
we
can
use
it
to
give
out
the
destination
of
the
party,
y’know
…
use
it
to
advertise
the
party…
that
let
people
know
where
the
parties.
A
transmitter
got
delivered
to
my
house
and
nobody
knew
what
to
do
with
it…
again.
So…
trial
and
error,
we
got
it
up
and
running
and
yeah,
it’s
great.
Just
used to
play
tunes
all
night
and it
never
got
used
for
giving
out
the
destination.
We
tried
that
once
we
were
in
a
high-rise
flat
and
we
saw
the
massive
convoy
of
police
driving
past
and
thought
they
were
on
to
us,
y’know
…
But
yeah…
it
was
sort
of
after
the
parties
I
concentrated
on
the
radio
for
a
while.
I
did
that
for
quite
a
while.
Yeah
every
weekend.
Climbing
up
Billinge
Hill
with
a
load
of
car
batteries
or
climbing
up a
tree
with
a
load
of
boxes
and
aerials
and
what
have
ya
setting
up
the
link
so
you
transmit
from
a house
line
of site
to
Billinge
Hill
and
that
pick
up
the
decks
from
someone’s
house
and
then
retransmitted
out
across
Blackburn
and
further
in some
cases.
I
remember
it
being
heard
over
Haslingden
and
that
y’know
for
a
pretty
small
transmitter
people
could
pick
it
up.
I remember
Rob
Tissera
driving
across
the
moors…
He
used
to
come
and
do
a
shift
and
he
was
listening
on
his
way
from
Manchester,
y’know
We
used
to do
a lot
of
flyers
and
posters
for
that…
and
it
was
just
sort
of
trying
to
keep
something
going,
you
know,
it
was
just
about
keeping
something
going.
Yeah
it was
difficult.
Wasn’t
it.
It had
just
stopped
didn’t
it.
Yeah
because
it
just
stopped
dead
in…
at
Nelson.
There
was
nothing
that
you
know…
I
know
It’d
been
our
lives
for…
full-time
job,
you
know…
44036.041666666664
one
that
we
lived
it.
And
then
it
just
stopped
dead.
So
that
was
strange
yeah.
Brian
I’ve
known
him
years
Brian.
Old
Hippie
geezer
I sorta
knew him
from
like
the
free
festival
scene.
That’s
where
I
would
Pick up
bang
…
where
the
convoy
used
to
come
around
every
year
and
set
up
a
free
festival.
We
sort
of
moved
in
the
same
circles…
you
know.
Same
as
Tommy.
I’d
known
him
for
years
like
long
before
the
parties.
Mutual
friends
and
that
y’know.
our
paths
used
to
cross.
So
what
did
you…
What…
what
was
Brian’s
connection
with
the
Parties?
Brian…
at
first
we
used
to
hire
lights…
often
borrowed
bits
of
equipment
off
him.
He never
really
cared
for
the
parties
as
such.
He
came
to
a
couple
Brian…
but
yeah
mad guy
mad!
Remember
him
with
affection
Brian.
Yeah
he was
always
very
helpful.
But
yeah,
I
thought…
I left
the
radio
station
in
his
custody.
Basically,
him
and
Naseem
ran
the
radio
station
when
I
Blackburn
and
erm…
until
you
got…
got…
until
the
DTR
took
it
off
them.
Yeah.
Yeah
what
can
I say
about
Brian.
I
don’t
know.
He
was
just
a
handy
guy.
You
know,
he’d
always
help
you
out.
He
had
that
spirit
about
him…
the
free
festival
spirit.
The
free
party
spirit.
So
he
knew
where
we….
what
we
were
about.
Y’know.
He
was
always
about…
He
was
always
there
to
help
if
you
needed
him,
you
needed him.
I remember
I
blew
up the
radio
station
on..
one
afternoon.
I’d
connected
it
to
the
wrong
power
supply
by
mistake
and
blew
it
up
and
it
was
late
on
a
Saturday
afternoon
and
I
took
it
to
him
and
he
had
it
fixed.
Y’know
he
went
and
took
it
to
this
place
and
he
had
it
fixed
for…
within
2
hours.
It
was
repaired
and
ready
to
go
again.
So
yeah…
he
was
a
good
bloke
to
know
Brian,
you
know,
if
you
needed
something.
So…
so
tell
me the
story
about
Ewood
Mill.
Of
course
he
lived
adjacent
to
Ewood
Mill
so
you
could
always
stash
equipment
in
his
back
yard
which
was
just
over
the
wall
from
Ewood
Mill.
Yeah.
Yeah,
which
is
always
handy
At Chris…
Yeah…
We
did
one
do
was
it…
was
it
Christmas?
And
I
think
we
did
everything…
got
it
all
out
his garden…
the
back
across
the
back…
alley
from
the
side
of
Ewood
Mill.
You
were
the
one
only
one
with
the
strength
to
climb
the
wall
at
the
time
I
remember
it,
But
I
could
remember
you
being
the
only
one
who
climbed
the
wall.
Yeah.
everything
got….
passed
everything
over
the
wall.
And
yeah…
yeah.
Yeah.
Well
one
thing
got…
one
amplifier
got
hidden
under
a…
under
a
telephone
box
lid
and
we
found
it
three
months
later.
So
yeah…
Yeah
things
like
that
tend
to
happen.
Pieces
of
equipment
tend to
disappear.
It
was
like…
Oh there
it
is!
three
months
later.
Or
someone would
come forward
and
said…
yeah
I’ve
got
this.
You
gave
it me
to
look
after.
I
heard
a
tale
of
some
lads
who…
when
you
started
making
the
disposable
P.A.
cabinets…
they’d
took
one
of
the
bass
bins
home
from
Unit 7
and
used
it
as
a
coffee
table
and
twenty
years
later…
they
still
had
it
as
a
coffee
table.
It
was
like
a
prized
possession.
Y’know.
They
appear
online
every
now
and
again
still.
Still
got
one
of
the
bass
bins
from
Unit 7
…
I
use
it
as
my
coffee
table.
Yeah,
twenty
years
later
or
whatever.
Oh
I did
the
U.V.
banners
as
well.
Do you
remember
the
banners?
The
people
can
remember?
Yeah,
I
did
all
those
as
well…
or
most
of
them
0.9
of
them.
So
yeah
quite
often.
I’d
spend
part
of
my
Saturday
doing
the
banners
way
various
places.
Dave P’s
garage
I
remember
nearly
err
killing
myself
with
the
fumes
coming
out of
Dave P’s
garage
one
time.
With a
banging
headache
…
had
to
sit
down
for
a
bit…
y’know.
With
colored
dots
in
front
of
my
eyes.
Yeah,
wherever….
wherever
I did
them
all
over
to
be
honest.
Yeah,
but
they’d
always
be
a
carrier
bag
full
of
U.V.
paint
some
shoplifter’d
y’know.
That
was
obviously
somebody
else’s
job.
Just
gone
two
AM
and
the
place
had
got
broken
into
and
the
van
would
be
driven
in
and
it
was
scramble…
Yeah
set
up
everything
the
best
you
could.
Some
places
were
easier
than
others.
When
you
found
a
power
supply
you
know,
the
power
was
on
that
was
great
it
made
things
so
much
easier…
I remember
wiring
up
to
a
walk-in
fridge
we
had
to
keep
on..
it kept
cutting
out
every
time
the
fridge
got
cold
enough
the
power
would
go
off.
I
think
it
was
wired to
a compressor
that
was
outside.
I
think
we were
all
holding
lighters
up
underneath
it
to
warm
it
back
up
again.
So
it
kicked
back
in…
Lamp Posts
as
you
remember
just…
y’know
some
mad
ones.
Running
the
entire
sound
and
lights
off
a
domestic
cable
that
was
running
through
a
puddle
of
water
with
people
dancing
in
it,
y’know.
And
keeping
your
fingers
crossed.
But
we
always
looked
after
people’s
safety.
Obviously
it
was
priority.
Most of
the people
have
said
the
ones
they
remember
the
most
were
the
old
mills.
Yeah,
because
they
have
the
character
didn’t
they.
There was
something
about
them
…the
old
dark
shoplifted
and
it
was
great…
and
Bob’s
nan.
She
was
an
old
woman.
She
was
a
very
old
lady.
She
wanted
to
come
to
one
of
the
warehouse
parties
…
she
worked
in
some
of
the
mills
that
were
used
as
a
young
girl
and
she
wanted…
I
think
it’s
a
100th
birthday
or
something
and
she
wanted
to
come…
and
see
the
place
where
she
worked
as
a
young
girl
being
repurposed.
She
thought
it
was
great.
You
know,
she
thought
it
was
great.
Obviously
never
happened.
She
was
a
bit
unsteady
on
her
feet.
You
can’t
drag
an
old
100 year
old
lady
out
at
three
in
the
morning,
but
she
was
all
for
…
you
know.
She
thought
it
was
great
that
we
were
repurposing
these
spaces.
And
it
was…
it
was
great,
you
know.
Bob
was
a
lad
who
videoed
all
the
parties.
Virtually
every
party
he videoed
which
became
the
Piers
Sanderson
film
High
On
Hope.
That
was
all
Bob’s
material.
Bob
was
a
proper
sort
of err…
going
to
town
and
drink
lad.
Shirt
and
tie,
y’know
know
when
I
met
him
I
had
gone
to
score
a
smoke
at
a
mutual
friends
and
there
was
this
lad
there
called
…
Dave
from
Preston
and
we
just
got
on
really
well
and
we
start…
I
invited
him
to
a
party
and
then
I
said
meet us
outside
Crackers
…
at
two
o’clock
quarter
past
two…
arrange
to
meet
him
outside
Crackers
and
completely
forgot
about
it.
Obviously
I
went
in
there
and
you
know
got
into
it.
I
completely
forgot
it
and
I
was
in
this
car
and
Bob
come
running
over
to
well…
Preston…
well
Dave
from
Preston
as
he
was
known
at the
time.
He’s
like
oh..
y’know
going
look…
What’s
the
score?
Let’s
go
to
this
party
y’know
so
he’d
turned
up
in
his
shirt
and
tie
and
his
Farah
slacks
and
all
that…
and
his
loafers!
And
yeah,
He
hated
it.
He
hated
it.
He
didn’t
get
it
at
all.
Well
when
can
we
go?
When
does
it
finish?
Y’know
…
and
anyway,
we
started
hanging
out
together
and
yeah,
well
he
had
an
adjustment
in
there.
And
he
suddenly
got
it
and
saw
the
light and
because
they
lived
in
this
corner
shop
and
they
had
a
video
camera
that
they
rented
out.
I
was
like…
bring
that
camera
will
you
Bob?
Y’know
well….
well…
Dave
and
then
I
was
in
his
bedroom
one
day
and
I found
his
passport
and
he
was
he
was
called
Robert
David
Rostrum.
I
grabbed
his
passport.
I
was
like
Dave
is
it?
Robert?
Bob?
Bob.
So
from
that
moment
on
he
became
Preston
Bob?
Yeah,
Dave
from
Preston
…
Give it
me
back!
Give it
me
back!
Dancing
around
his
bedroom
with
his
passport.
Dave
from
Preston.
The
legend
of
Preston
Bob
was
here.
Yeah.
And
he
was
another
one.
Y’know
gave
it
his
all.
Put
a
lot
into
y’know
never
saw
a
penny
y’know
obviously
he
did
because
he
recognised
something
happening.
Y’know
he
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
that.
Of
course
if
didn’t…
Well
he
was
somebody
to
be
trusted
as
well
as…
and
because
not
anybody
would
be
allowed
in
there
with
a
camera.
Oh no.
A
lot
of
people
hated
it.
A
lot
of
people
very
suspicious
And
there
was
certain
people.
Who
warned
him
off.
They
said,
you
know,
you
don’t
ever
point
that
camera
at
me
or
I’ll
shove
it
up
your
arse
or
whatever.
Y’know.
They
made
threats
against
him.
So
Bob
being
Bob
made
a
point
of
capturing
them
on
video.
Every…
every
time
he
saw
them
you
know.
A
few
like
wannabe
gangsters…
you
don’t
ever
point
that
camera
at me.
So
he’d
always
point
the
camera
at
them.
Always
well,
if
it
wasn’t
for
that
there
wouldn’t
be
any
films
with…
there’d
only
be
police
footage…
yeah
which
we’ll
never see.
A few
people
took
cameras
didn’t
they
but
there’s
not
many
photos
in
existence.
I
mean,
it
wasn’t
ideal
conditions
for
video
anyway
i’d
say
on
say
a
three hour
tape…
There’s
only
a
few
minutes
of
usable
material
because
the
light…
we
did
talk
about….
because
I
had
those
big
sort
of
work
lights..
y’know
…
I
used
to
put
one
by
the
decks
and
one
by
the
door.
So
they
could
see
what
they
were
doing
and
we
talked
about
carrying
one
of
them
around,
y’know
with
the
camera,
but
it
was
just
sort
of…
people
are
lost
in
the
moment…
then
you
you
appear
with
a
massive
like
hundred
watt
light
pointing
in
their
face…
and
a
camera
and
we
decided
against
that
one.
Just
wouldn’t
have
worked.
Definitely.
I mean
now
it’s
nothing
is it?
You
see
camera
people
carrying
a
camera
round
with
them
all
the
time
but
quite
then..
but
back
then
it
was
quite
unusual,
you
know,
to
have
a
video
camera
pointed
at
you.
Yeah
and
then
well.
I
mean
not many
people
had
a
camera
back then.
then.
Of
course
he’d
see
shelves
every
week
That
weren’t
there.
He’d
drop
it…
put
it
on
the
shelf
that
wasn’t
there
and
the
camera…
he’d go
have you
got
any
gaffa
tape…
have
you
got
a
screwdriver!
Klak?
So
well,
we
got
the
camera
working…
and
there’s
nothing
gaffa tape
can’t
fix.
The
flyers
yeah.
Where
were
they
handed
out
usually.
Pubs
usually.
I can
remember
do…
do
you
know,
the
one
that’s
just
got
the
copper
on
it?
Where
it
says
the
top
room
of
Crackers
and
the
coppers
answering
the
phone.
He
says…
Are
you
sure?
or
there’s
an
alternative
version
that
says
Oh
S**te.
Well
I
can
remember
there
was
some
behind
the
bar
upstairs
in
Crackers
and
we
were
packing
up
afterwards
and
Kate
comes
up
behind
the
bar.
Sees
this
posters
and
picks
it
up
and
he’s
like…
Oh
that’s
it.
They’ve
gone
too
far!
Now
they’re
asking
for
trouble
now.
And
he
had
a
right
strop
on
and
suddenly…
not
long
after
that…
we
weren’t
welcome
at
Crackers
anymore.
Yeah.
But
they
just
got
handed
out in
carparks…
in pubs…
wherever
people
congregated
really
y’know…
Because
I’d
do
A3’s
and
i’d
do
A5’s
some
small
ones
and
big
ones.
This
is
more
in
the
early
days,
isn’t
it?
When
you
needed
it.
When
you
were
trying
to…
There
was
no
need
for
them
after
a
while.
I
don’t
know
how
many
I did.
I’ve
never
counted…
there
was
probably
only
about
the first
twenty
maybe
y’know
twenty
different
ones.
Cos’ there
was just
no
need
after
y’know…
well
there
was
no
need
from
the
beginning…
y’know…
but
yeah,
it
was
definitely
the
beginning.
I
don’t
know
I had
enough
on me
plate y’know
without
doing
the
posters
every
week
as
well.
Really.
Quite
often
Tony.
Kreft
would
give
me
a
theme…
y’know
like
so…
Dance
with
the
Devil
I
remember.
Then the
other
one
Beside
the
Seaside
because…
that
was
the
idea…
It
was
to
drive
a
curtain
sider
on
to
Southport
Beach
y’know.
And
just
pull
the
side
back
ermm..
it sort
of
happened.
It sort
of
happened.
Beside
the
Seaside
to
be
fair.
So
quite
often.
I’d
just
say
yeah,
Tony…
here’s
these
posters…
then
give
him
an
arm
full
of
two hundred
posters
and
that
was
my
job
done
then.
Yeah?
So
yeah…
so
yeah…
I
know
that
they’re
given
out
in
pubs
and
that
some
of
them.
But
a
lot
of
the
time
I
just
give
them
to Tony
Yeah,
and
i’d
say
here…
you’ve
got
what
you
asked
for
You
deal
with
it
now.
Well,
that’s a
funny
thing
because
sometimes
they’d
appear
plastered
all
over
the
town
centre
as
well.
Oh
we
did
do
a
few
with
that.
Yeah,
we
did
do
yeah…
I
remember
going
out
with
a
bucket
with
wallpaper
post.
In
the
back
of
a
van.
So
I’m
guessing
it
was
Dave P’s
white
Escort
van
and
driving
around
town
pasting
them
up
on
the
walls
yeah.
Slapping
them
up.
I
can
remember
later
on
in
Minstrels
watching
out
over
Darwen
Street
as
the
riot
police
came
down
and
emptied
the
town
out.
Y’know
there’s
a
mounted
police
and
that…
coming
down
Darwen
Street
and
just
sweeping
everyone
along,
y’know
there’s
a
video
of
that
somewhere…
filmed
from
the
upstairs
of
Minstrels
in
the
flat
above
and
the
riot
police
getting
pretty
heavy-handed
with
people,
y’know.
Whacking
people.
Another
Bob
video
was
it?
Musta
been…
It
coulda
been…
Haseem’s
camera
that
one.
Haseem
and
Brian
maybe
were
there.
It
was
after
the
the
parties.
you
know,
when
they
just
wanted
the
town
centre
cleared
out.
down
Mounted
police.
Mad
innit?
They
just
tried
to
shut
off
Blackburn
didn’t
they?
They
just
turned you
around
and
go
back
where
you
came
from.
What
message
which
you…
would
you
say
to
a
teenager
in
one hundred
years
time.
Sometimes
I
tell
my
daughters
you
can
do
whatever…
you
can
do
whatever
you
want.
Whatever
you
want
to
do.
You
can
do
it…
y’know
…
if
you
put
your
mind
to
it…
you
can
do
it…
You
can
make
things
happen
y’know
…
That’s
about
it.
Believe
in
yourself.
You
can
make
it
happen.
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What’s
your
first
memory?
How
how
did
this
all
start
for
you?
I
was
going
to
C’est La Vie
you
know,
and
I
was
in
there
one
night
and
for
some
reason
we
got
jumped…
dragged
into
a
car
and
taken
to
Pendle
Drive
and
there
was
a
party
going
on
up
there.
I
think
it
was
after
the
notorious
riot
…or
that
happened
up
there
…or
I
left
early.
I
think.
…
…
…
But
I
got
there
with
a
mate
and
there
was
sort
of
a
small
P.A.
stacked
up
and
nobody
knew
what
to
do
with
it,
which
was
a
sort
of
recurring
theme
to
come.
You
know,
nobody….
nobody
knew
what…
anything
about
PA’s
or
you
know
that
you
needed
one
in
some
cases,
you
know
people
trying
to
use
home
stereos
and
whatever.
So,
yeah,
and
then
I
don’t
know
what
I
was
doing
wi’ mi
life
but
then
it
was
on
to
Crackers
and
attended
Crackers.
So there
was
an
obvious
need
for
somebody
to
do
lighting
particularly
and
I
was
asked
to
do…
I
don’t
know
why
but
I
was
asked
to
do
was
some
flyers
for
Crackers.
Yeah.
I
could
knock
out
posters
for
bands
and
for
gigs
and
whatever.
…
Yeah,
I
was
asked
to
do
a
poster
for it…
and
that
carried
on
for
a
while.
So,
where’d
you
get
the
idea
from
the…
from
each
poster?
Was
it
…
was
you
like
…
asked
each
week?
Or
was
it
just…
off
the
top
of
your
head.
Usually
I’d
be
asked
later
on
…
Tony
in
particular…
he’d
give
me
like…
a
theme.
Dance
with
the
Devil
perhaps
or
Beside
the
Seaside
or
you
know…
and
I’d
have
to
work
with
that.
Other
times.
It
was
just
like
a
big
tune
at the
time..
Keep
on
Reaching
or
whatever…
inspired
by
that,
you
know,
so
…
you’d
take
that
and…
do
something
with
that.
So
obviously
they
asked
you
to
…
…
help
out
with
the
sound
and
the
lighting.
well.
there
was an
obvious
need
for
it
as
well.
You
know.
You
just
see..
…
somebody
needs
to
sort
this
out.
You
know,
like
lighting
was
just
a
strobe in
Crackers
and
it
was
but
it
certainly
inside…
I
don’t
like
this.
Y’know
…
Yeah.
They
need
more.
Yeah…
so
you
got
some
UV’s
together
and
y’know
a few
pin
spots
and a
few
moving
lights.
And
it
made
all
the
difference
y’know.
We’d
had to
go
around
all
the
like
North
West’s
available
PA
hire
systems
and
convince
them
we were
having
a
21st
or
band…
putting
a
band
on
or
something
and
we’d
hire
a
P.A.
you
know…
and
I
was
the
only
one
who
knew
how
to
do…
you
know
to
set up
a P.A.
and of
course
after…
these
places
you
can’t
you
couldn’t
really
go
back
could
you?
Oh
no.
once
they
had
the
P.A.
taken
away
by
the
police.
They’d
been
warned
by
the
police.
not
too
hire
to
anyone
y’know.
When
do
you
think
ermm
this
was?
Is
this…
what…
Can
you
put
a
time
stamp
on
it?
Well
the
early
parties
it…
it
was
like
Finnington
Lane
…
The
Bike
Shop.
All
the
early
ones
before
you
came
into
it…
y’know.
…
I
had
enough
on
my
plate
and
through
a
mutual
friend…
She
said
…
Joe…
Joe…
does
P.A.
i’ve
got
this
mate
called
Joe…
He
does
P.A.
He’ll
rent it
out
so
I
gave
you
a
call
and
the
rest
is
history
because
it
was
too
big
for
one
person
on
their
own
to
do
all
that.
It
was
a
full-time
job
seven
days
at
week
spending
all…
all
week…
I was
spending all
week
driving
around
with
Tony
and
Tommy.
Doing
something
or
other
y’know.
…
Can
you
describe
how
it
was
in
Crackers?
When…
when
it
when
it
all
started?
What
would.
you
say…
was
it
was
it
something
amazingly
new
to
you?
What
do
you…
what
did
you
think?
Y’know
it
was
just
interesting
and
it
was
just
so
you
could
sell
there
was
something
new
there
and
it
was
sort
of…
it
became
this
sort
of this
movement
that
you
know.
It
was
very
important.
It
was…
something’s
happening
here.
Y’know
people
would do
absolutely
anything,
y’know
to
get a
party
off
afterwards
y’know.
It
was
all
about
the
cause
the
cause
everything
was
for
the
cause,
you
know,
it’s
work
all
week
for
nothing
for
the
cause
y’know.
And
do
whatever
it
took
for
the
cause.
We
became
masters
of
improvisation,
you
know,
I’ll
go
and
strip
a
bit of
cable
off
that
wall…
there
now
off
this
Old
Mill
and
that’ll
do
twisted
together
and
that’ll
make
an
extension
y’know.
Yeah,
we had this
wooden
chair
and
a
long
raincoat.
I
remember
me and
Tony
taking
it
in
turns
to
stand
on
this
wooden
chair.
The
one’ d
stand
on
the
chair
with
the
coat
on
twisting
wires
around
a
breaker
bar
which
was
about
to
go
live
any
second
and
the
other
one…
would
hang
onto
the
tails
of
the
raincoat
ready
to
pull
them
off
the
chair
when
they
lit up…
when
they
made
contact,
you
know.
So
we
had
that
few
weeks.
We’d
have
it
sort
of
always
there…
the
wooden
chair
and
the
raincoat.
Be like..
it’s your
turn!
Yeah.
I
think
for
me
it
was
like
Finnington
Lane
like
Crackers
you
know
before
it
got
too
big.
It
was
just
great.
Y’know
it
was
all
good
you
know,
there
was
nothing
negative
about
it
at
all.
It
was
all
good
we
were
really
making
something
happen.
Y’know
it
was
yeah,
everyone
was
prepared
to
do
whatever
to
make
it
happen.
And
once
we’ve
got
the
party
off
it
was
like…
yes
we’ve
done
it
again.
Yeah.
How
many
people
would
you
say
for
them…
for
those
first
ones?
Probably
less
than
a hundred
y’know
we’re
talking
about
like
The
Bike
Shop
and
y’know
know
Bubble
Factory
perhaps
a
couple
of
hundred
y’know
and
then
every
week
it
would
double
that
double
that
double
that.
Finnington
Lane
was
quite
big.
The
local
Bobby
turned
up
on
his
bike.
Y’know.
What’s
happening
lads?
Said…
we’re
opening
an
engineering
works
and
that.
And
we
just
got
a
few
mates
in.
He was
like
besta luck
lads
y’know…
Hope
you
do
well
with
your
business…
and
off
he
went.
Was
this…
is this
in
the
afternoon?
Musta
been
when we were
setting
up.
Or
maybe
we’d
started
the
party
actually.
It
was
earlier…
well
it
must
have
been
like
early
evening
or…
like
late-night.
Must
of
been
if
the
party
was happening.
It
was
like…
best
of
luck
lads…
and
…
he
went
on
his
bike.
As
it
got
sort
of
outta
control,
y’know
and
everyone
wanted
a
piece
of
it…
y’know
…
money,
y’know
know
money
was
what
was
driving
a
lot
of
people
whereas
we
were
all
working
for
nothing.
For
the
cause
other
people
were
all
about
the
money,
y’know.
And
yeah,
that
was
a
big
negative
especially
looking
back,
y’know.
Yeah,
you
know
you
realise
how
much
effort
you
put
in
just
for
the
cause…
to
get
it
off
and
y’know.
It
makes
you
feel a
bit
sort
of
in
two
minds
about…
a
bit
sort
of
used
really
in
a way
perhaps?
I
don’t
know.
D’ya
wanna
talk
about
King
George’s
Hall?
Ohhh
King
George’s!
Ohhh
Yeah,
I
was
like
house
crew at
King
George’s
so
…
if
a
band
came
in…
a
touring
band.
A
few
of
us
would
go
in
there
and
you
know,
obviously
load
up
…
the
gear
and
load
out
the
gear
and
set
it
all
up
basically
so
it
was
a
handy
place
to
pick
up
bits
of
equipment
and
also…
going
back
to
the
flyers
posters.
I
used
to
be
able
to
blag
my
way
in
there
going
down
to
see
one
of
the
full-time
staff
just
breezed
past
reception.
Yeah,
you
know
they
sort of
knew
me
face
so
I
could
get
in
and
the
office
where
the
photocopier
was
it
had
a
sort
of
two-foot
gap
over
the
top
of
the
partition.
So
I
had
to
jump
in
there…
climb
over
the
top
of
the
office.
Get
on
the
photocopier
and
run
a
few
hundred
copies
of
this
poster
or
whichever
that
weeks
poster
that
was..
and
once
one of
the
big
King
George’s
…
the
big
boss
came
in
unlocked
the
door
and
I
was
trapped
…
I
couldn’t
run.
You
know,
there
was
nowhere
to
run.
So
he
came
walking
over
to
the
photocopier
picked
one
of
the
posters
up
and
went…
Oh
what’s
this
then?
Y’know…
and
went..
Very interesting’
…
put
it
down
sat at
his
desk
and
carried
on.
It
was
like
okay…
sound.
So
no…
consequences
then?
…
No…
no…
Was
there
any
equipment
ever
used
from
King
George’s
at
the
parties?
Yes.
It
was…
Dave P
…
Got
nicked
after
one
of
the
parties
Taking…
driving
this….
some
equipment
that
he’d
borrowed.
Yeah.
He
got
pulled
for
that
and
he
got
in
some
trouble
and
had
to
go
see
his manager
the
next
day
and
explain
that
he
was
facing
charges.
Y’know…
we
were
actually
doing
the
pantomime
at
the
time
and
we
borrowed
some
bits
of
lighting
equipment
and
…
a
mirror
ball
and
I
think
that
was
for
the
slaughterhouse
and
Dave
get…
he
ended
up
getting
nicked
afterwards
anyway,
and
he
had
to
go
in
the
next
day
because
he
was
a
full
time.
You
know,
he
had…
it
was
his
job
to
he
was
like
house
technician.
So
we
had
to go
and see his
manager
the
next
day
and
explain
that
he
was
facing
charges,
you
know,
it
was
a
big
deal
at
the
time
because
of…
…
they’d
scared
him.
Yeah.
He
could
lose
his
job
and
all
the
rest
of…
it.
Huh.
Pretty
serious
for a
guy who’s
got a
mortgage.
and
all
that.
But
he…
he
carried…
he
got
away
with
it?
Yeah,
nothing
came
of
it,
you
know.
Explain…
explain
more
about
the
artwork…
just
explain
what
course
you’d
been
on
and
done..
It
was just
a B-Tec…
it
was
supposed
to
in
…
graphic
design.
Y’know
sometimes
it
could
come
really
easily
and
other
times
like
I
say, i’d
be
given a
theme.
Other
times
Thursday
Friday, Saturday
night,
even
I’d
be
sitting
there
thinking
oh God
I’ve
got
to
do
these
posters.
Yeah,
and
it
was
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
do.
But
yeah
like…
like
the
parties
they
always
get
done.
One
way
or
another.
I
think
you
reminded
me
that at
Blackburn
Tech
we
did
the
same
thing.
In
there
one
time
jumping
over
a
partition
to
get
access
to
a
photocopier.
Guerrilla
photocopying.
Yeah
same
thing.
I’d
have
to
run
on
errr,,
I’d
do
two
I’d do
two
shades
because
there were
always two
there
was
no
such
thing
as
colour
copy.
In
those
days
you
got
red
and
you
got
black.
So
I
use
colored
paper.
And
i’d
put
it
through
the
photocopier
once and
copy
one
side
with
the
black
and
then
I’d
get
the
red
and
put
that
on
the
photocopier…
load
everything
into
the
photocopier
again…
have to
get
the
register
get…
you
know…
get
it
lined
up
correctly
and
then
you’d
have
a
two
or
three
colour
copy
by
the
time
it
went
through
the
machine,
you
know,
you
made
the
best
of
what
you
could
you
know.
You
got
the
three
coloured
copy
by
using
colored
paper
and
using
the
red
and
the
black
over
again.
Everything’s
done
kind
of
D.I.Y
It
was
Oh
extremely…
yeah…
D.I.Y.
Yeah,
I
think
one
time
ended
up
paying
for
copies
at a
proper
copying
shop
and
I
think
two hundred
copies
came
to
about
thirty five quid
…
or
something,
you
know
for
two
colour
copies!
I’ll
carry
on
climbing
over
partitions.
Yes,
what
was…
what
were
your
first
impressions
when
this
number
started
to
grow
to
like
a
thousand
plus?
I
don’t
know…
every
week
me
and
Tommy
give
each
other
this
look.
Like
wow,
you
know.
Look
how
many
people
there
are,
you
know,
and
looking
for
venues
you’d
think…
oh
this
should
be
plenty
big
enough…
but
whatever
venue
you got…
it
was
always
rammed
wasn’t
it?
It was
always
rammed
and
sometimes
you
think…
hang
on
is this
a
bit
too
big?
Y’know…
is
this
going
to
be
too
big?
Because
y’know
you
lose
the
atmosphere
don’t ya
if
you’ve
got
lots
of
space?
But
it
never
happened.
We
were
always
full.
When
it
stopped…erm
I’d
had
enough
of
Blackburn
basically.
A
few
things
had
happened
y’know
Manchester
and
what
have
ya..
it was
just
time
to
get
out
y’know.
I
was…
I
was…
I
moved
into
Minstrels
for
a
bit
and
y’know
kept
that
going
for
y’know…
I
don’t
know
maybe
a
year
or
something
that
was
pretty
successful
on
a
weekend
y’know…
But
then
I
just
had
enough
and
left
Blackburn
and
ended
up
in
Greece
within
a
few
weeks
came
back
from
Greece…
got
a
job
in
the
Midlands
errr
met
aload
of
hippie
geezers
down
in
the
Midlands.
Put
on
quite
a
few
squat
parties
and
boat
parties
because
of
all
the…
because
of
the
record…
we
did
that
record
with
Tommy’s
High
on
Hope
sample…
me
and
Dave
and
a
couple
of
the
other
lads.
We
did
that
High
on
Hope
because
it
was
a…
it
was
just
one
of
them
wannit?
High
on
Hope
y’know.
Yeah…
that
sounds
great.
Yeah
love
that.
So
we used
that.
Made
that
record.
So
sort
of….
wherever
you
went
people…
I
mean,
I
met
people
in
Greece.
Who
were
like…
you
made
that
record?
Y’know
That
was
weird.
Everyone
had
heard
it.
Everyone
y’know.
So
these
guys
in
the
Midlands
one
day
I
mentioned
oh yeah
I
did
that
they’re like
like.
Whoah.
Yeah.
That
was
you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So…
So
I
ended
up
doing
boat
parties…
squat
parties…
all
sorts
wi’
them.
And
yeah…
I
was
work…
Then
I
got
a
job
as
a
courier.
I
was
working
as
a
courier
in
the
Midlands
for
a
while.
Did
me’
back
in at work.
Spent
a
few
weeks
lying
on
me
back again.
I
just
went
back to
live
in
Greece
again.
Spent
a
couple
of
years
living
in
Greece.
Okay.
What
about
the
artwork?
Has
that
stopped?
No,
I
still
do it
but
it’s…
if
someone
comes
and
asks
me
for
something.
You
know,
someone
says…
ohh
can
you
do
a
flyer
for
this?
Yeah,
I
still
do
stuff,
y’know.
The
radio
station
turned
up.
It
just
got
delivered
to
my
house
as…
The
idea
was
around
the
time
of
Live
The
Dream
I
think
that
was.
I’m
not
sure
but
I
remember
it…
was
sort
of
…
we
can
use
it
to
give
out
the
destination
of
the
party,
y’know
…
use
it
to
advertise
the
party…
that
let
people
know
where
the
parties.
A
transmitter
got
delivered
to
my
house
and
nobody
knew
what
to
do
with
it…
again.
So…
trial
and
error,
we
got
it
up
and
running
and
yeah,
it’s
great.
Just
used to
play
tunes
all
night
and it
never
got
used
for
giving
out
the
destination.
We
tried
that
once
we
were
in
a
high-rise
flat
and
we
saw
the
massive
convoy
of
police
driving
past
and
thought
they
were
on
to
us,
y’know
…
But
yeah…
it
was
sort
of
after
the
parties
I
concentrated
on
the
radio
for
a
while.
I
did
that
for
quite
a
while.
Yeah
every
weekend.
Climbing
up
Billinge
Hill
with
a
load
of
car
batteries
or
climbing
up a
tree
with
a
load
of
boxes
and
aerials
and
what
have
ya
setting
up
the
link
so
you
transmit
from
a house
line
of site
to
Billinge
Hill
and
that
pick
up
the
decks
from
someone’s
house
and
then
retransmitted
out
across
Blackburn
and
further
in some
cases.
I
remember
it
being
heard
over
Haslingden
and
that
y’know
for
a
pretty
small
transmitter
people
could
pick
it
up.
I remember
Rob
Tissera
driving
across
the
moors…
He
used
to
come
and
do
a
shift
and
he
was
listening
on
his
way
from
Manchester,
y’know
We
used
to do
a lot
of
flyers
and
posters
for
that…
and
it
was
just
sort
of
trying
to
keep
something
going,
you
know,
it
was
just
about
keeping
something
going.
Yeah
it was
difficult.
Wasn’t
it.
It had
just
stopped
didn’t
it.
Yeah
because
it
just
stopped
dead
in…
at
Nelson.
There
was
nothing
that
you
know…
I
know
It’d
been
our
lives
for…
full-time
job,
you
know…
44036.041666666664
one
that
we
lived
it.
And
then
it
just
stopped
dead.
So
that
was
strange
yeah.
Brian
I’ve
known
him
years
Brian.
Old
Hippie
geezer
I sorta
knew him
from
like
the
free
festival
scene.
That’s
where
I
would
Pick up
bang
…
where
the
convoy
used
to
come
around
every
year
and
set
up
a
free
festival.
We
sort
of
moved
in
the
same
circles…
you
know.
Same
as
Tommy.
I’d
known
him
for
years
like
long
before
the
parties.
Mutual
friends
and
that
y’know.
our
paths
used
to
cross.
So
what
did
you…
What…
what
was
Brian’s
connection
with
the
Parties?
Brian…
at
first
we
used
to
hire
lights…
often
borrowed
bits
of
equipment
off
him.
He never
really
cared
for
the
parties
as
such.
He
came
to
a
couple
Brian…
but
yeah
mad guy
mad!
Remember
him
with
affection
Brian.
Yeah
he was
always
very
helpful.
But
yeah,
I
thought…
I left
the
radio
station
in
his
custody.
Basically,
him
and
Naseem
ran
the
radio
station
when
I
Blackburn
and
erm…
until
you
got…
got…
until
the
DTR
took
it
off
them.
Yeah.
Yeah
what
can
I say
about
Brian.
I
don’t
know.
He
was
just
a
handy
guy.
You
know,
he’d
always
help
you
out.
He
had
that
spirit
about
him…
the
free
festival
spirit.
The
free
party
spirit.
So
he
knew
where
we….
what
we
were
about.
Y’know.
He
was
always
about…
He
was
always
there
to
help
if
you
needed
him,
you
needed him.
I remember
I
blew
up the
radio
station
on..
one
afternoon.
I’d
connected
it
to
the
wrong
power
supply
by
mistake
and
blew
it
up
and
it
was
late
on
a
Saturday
afternoon
and
I
took
it
to
him
and
he
had
it
fixed.
Y’know
he
went
and
took
it
to
this
place
and
he
had
it
fixed
for…
within
2
hours.
It
was
repaired
and
ready
to
go
again.
So
yeah…
he
was
a
good
bloke
to
know
Brian,
you
know,
if
you
needed
something.
So…
so
tell
me the
story
about
Ewood
Mill.
Of
course
he
lived
adjacent
to
Ewood
Mill
so
you
could
always
stash
equipment
in
his
back
yard
which
was
just
over
the
wall
from
Ewood
Mill.
Yeah.
Yeah,
which
is
always
handy
At Chris…
Yeah…
We
did
one
do
was
it…
was
it
Christmas?
And
I
think
we
did
everything…
got
it
all
out
his garden…
the
back
across
the
back…
alley
from
the
side
of
Ewood
Mill.
You
were
the
one
only
one
with
the
strength
to
climb
the
wall
at
the
time
I
remember
it,
But
I
could
remember
you
being
the
only
one
who
climbed
the
wall.
Yeah.
everything
got….
passed
everything
over
the
wall.
And
yeah…
yeah.
Yeah.
Well
one
thing
got…
one
amplifier
got
hidden
under
a…
under
a
telephone
box
lid
and
we
found
it
three
months
later.
So
yeah…
Yeah
things
like
that
tend
to
happen.
Pieces
of
equipment
tend to
disappear.
It
was
like…
Oh there
it
is!
three
months
later.
Or
someone would
come forward
and
said…
yeah
I’ve
got
this.
You
gave
it me
to
look
after.
I
heard
a
tale
of
some
lads
who…
when
you
started
making
the
disposable
P.A.
cabinets…
they’d
took
one
of
the
bass
bins
home
from
Unit 7
and
used
it
as
a
coffee
table
and
twenty
years
later…
they
still
had
it
as
a
coffee
table.
It
was
like
a
prized
possession.
Y’know.
They
appear
online
every
now
and
again
still.
Still
got
one
of
the
bass
bins
from
Unit 7
…
I
use
it
as
my
coffee
table.
Yeah,
twenty
years
later
or
whatever.
Oh
I did
the
U.V.
banners
as
well.
Do you
remember
the
banners?
The
people
can
remember?
Yeah,
I
did
all
those
as
well…
or
most
of
them
0.9
of
them.
So
yeah
quite
often.
I’d
spend
part
of
my
Saturday
doing
the
banners
way
various
places.
Dave P’s
garage
I
remember
nearly
err
killing
myself
with
the
fumes
coming
out of
Dave P’s
garage
one
time.
With a
banging
headache
…
had
to
sit
down
for
a
bit…
y’know.
With
colored
dots
in
front
of
my
eyes.
Yeah,
wherever….
wherever
I did
them
all
over
to
be
honest.
Yeah,
but
they’d
always
be
a
carrier
bag
full
of
U.V.
paint
some
shoplifter’d
y’know.
That
was
obviously
somebody
else’s
job.
Just
gone
two
AM
and
the
place
had
got
broken
into
and
the
van
would
be
driven
in
and
it
was
scramble…
Yeah
set
up
everything
the
best
you
could.
Some
places
were
easier
than
others.
When
you
found
a
power
supply
you
know,
the
power
was
on
that
was
great
it
made
things
so
much
easier…
I remember
wiring
up
to
a
walk-in
fridge
we
had
to
keep
on..
it kept
cutting
out
every
time
the
fridge
got
cold
enough
the
power
would
go
off.
I
think
it
was
wired to
a compressor
that
was
outside.
I
think
we were
all
holding
lighters
up
underneath
it
to
warm
it
back
up
again.
So
it
kicked
back
in…
Lamp Posts
as
you
remember
just…
y’know
some
mad
ones.
Running
the
entire
sound
and
lights
off
a
domestic
cable
that
was
running
through
a
puddle
of
water
with
people
dancing
in
it,
y’know.
And
keeping
your
fingers
crossed.
But
we
always
looked
after
people’s
safety.
Obviously
it
was
priority.
Most of
the people
have
said
the
ones
they
remember
the
most
were
the
old
mills.
Yeah,
because
they
have
the
character
didn’t
they.
There was
something
about
them
…the
old
dark
shoplifted
and
it
was
great…
and
Bob’s
nan.
She
was
an
old
woman.
She
was
a
very
old
lady.
She
wanted
to
come
to
one
of
the
warehouse
parties
…
she
worked
in
some
of
the
mills
that
were
used
as
a
young
girl
and
she
wanted…
I
think
it’s
a
100th
birthday
or
something
and
she
wanted
to
come…
and
see
the
place
where
she
worked
as
a
young
girl
being
repurposed.
She
thought
it
was
great.
You
know,
she
thought
it
was
great.
Obviously
never
happened.
She
was
a
bit
unsteady
on
her
feet.
You
can’t
drag
an
old
100 year
old
lady
out
at
three
in
the
morning,
but
she
was
all
for
…
you
know.
She
thought
it
was
great
that
we
were
repurposing
these
spaces.
And
it
was…
it
was
great,
you
know.
Bob
was
a
lad
who
videoed
all
the
parties.
Virtually
every
party
he videoed
which
became
the
Piers
Sanderson
film
High
On
Hope.
That
was
all
Bob’s
material.
Bob
was
a
proper
sort
of err…
going
to
town
and
drink
lad.
Shirt
and
tie,
y’know
know
when
I
met
him
I
had
gone
to
score
a
smoke
at
a
mutual
friends
and
there
was
this
lad
there
called
…
Dave
from
Preston
and
we
just
got
on
really
well
and
we
start…
I
invited
him
to
a
party
and
then
I
said
meet us
outside
Crackers
…
at
two
o’clock
quarter
past
two…
arrange
to
meet
him
outside
Crackers
and
completely
forgot
about
it.
Obviously
I
went
in
there
and
you
know
got
into
it.
I
completely
forgot
it
and
I
was
in
this
car
and
Bob
come
running
over
to
well…
Preston…
well
Dave
from
Preston
as
he
was
known
at the
time.
He’s
like
oh..
y’know
going
look…
What’s
the
score?
Let’s
go
to
this
party
y’know
so
he’d
turned
up
in
his
shirt
and
tie
and
his
Farah
slacks
and
all
that…
and
his
loafers!
And
yeah,
He
hated
it.
He
hated
it.
He
didn’t
get
it
at
all.
Well
when
can
we
go?
When
does
it
finish?
Y’know
…
and
anyway,
we
started
hanging
out
together
and
yeah,
well
he
had
an
adjustment
in
there.
And
he
suddenly
got
it
and
saw
the
light and
because
they
lived
in
this
corner
shop
and
they
had
a
video
camera
that
they
rented
out.
I
was
like…
bring
that
camera
will
you
Bob?
Y’know
well….
well…
Dave
and
then
I
was
in
his
bedroom
one
day
and
I found
his
passport
and
he
was
he
was
called
Robert
David
Rostrum.
I
grabbed
his
passport.
I
was
like
Dave
is
it?
Robert?
Bob?
Bob.
So
from
that
moment
on
he
became
Preston
Bob?
Yeah,
Dave
from
Preston
…
Give it
me
back!
Give it
me
back!
Dancing
around
his
bedroom
with
his
passport.
Dave
from
Preston.
The
legend
of
Preston
Bob
was
here.
Yeah.
And
he
was
another
one.
Y’know
gave
it
his
all.
Put
a
lot
into
y’know
never
saw
a
penny
y’know
obviously
he
did
because
he
recognised
something
happening.
Y’know
he
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
that.
Of
course
if
didn’t…
Well
he
was
somebody
to
be
trusted
as
well
as…
and
because
not
anybody
would
be
allowed
in
there
with
a
camera.
Oh no.
A
lot
of
people
hated
it.
A
lot
of
people
very
suspicious
And
there
was
certain
people.
Who
warned
him
off.
They
said,
you
know,
you
don’t
ever
point
that
camera
at
me
or
I’ll
shove
it
up
your
arse
or
whatever.
Y’know.
They
made
threats
against
him.
So
Bob
being
Bob
made
a
point
of
capturing
them
on
video.
Every…
every
time
he
saw
them
you
know.
A
few
like
wannabe
gangsters…
you
don’t
ever
point
that
camera
at me.
So
he’d
always
point
the
camera
at
them.
Always
well,
if
it
wasn’t
for
that
there
wouldn’t
be
any
films
with…
there’d
only
be
police
footage…
yeah
which
we’ll
never see.
A few
people
took
cameras
didn’t
they
but
there’s
not
many
photos
in
existence.
I
mean,
it
wasn’t
ideal
conditions
for
video
anyway
i’d
say
on
say
a
three hour
tape…
There’s
only
a
few
minutes
of
usable
material
because
the
light…
we
did
talk
about….
because
I
had
those
big
sort
of
work
lights..
y’know
…
I
used
to
put
one
by
the
decks
and
one
by
the
door.
So
they
could
see
what
they
were
doing
and
we
talked
about
carrying
one
of
them
around,
y’know
with
the
camera,
but
it
was
just
sort
of…
people
are
lost
in
the
moment…
then
you
you
appear
with
a
massive
like
hundred
watt
light
pointing
in
their
face…
and
a
camera
and
we
decided
against
that
one.
Just
wouldn’t
have
worked.
Definitely.
I mean
now
it’s
nothing
is it?
You
see
camera
people
carrying
a
camera
round
with
them
all
the
time
but
quite
then..
but
back
then
it
was
quite
unusual,
you
know,
to
have
a
video
camera
pointed
at
you.
Yeah
and
then
well.
I
mean
not many
people
had
a
camera
back then.
then.
Of
course
he’d
see
shelves
every
week
That
weren’t
there.
He’d
drop
it…
put
it
on
the
shelf
that
wasn’t
there
and
the
camera…
he’d go
have you
got
any
gaffa
tape…
have
you
got
a
screwdriver!
Klak?
So
well,
we
got
the
camera
working…
and
there’s
nothing
gaffa tape
can’t
fix.
The
flyers
yeah.
Where
were
they
handed
out
usually.
Pubs
usually.
I can
remember
do…
do
you
know,
the
one
that’s
just
got
the
copper
on
it?
Where
it
says
the
top
room
of
Crackers
and
the
coppers
answering
the
phone.
He
says…
Are
you
sure?
or
there’s
an
alternative
version
that
says
Oh
S**te.
Well
I
can
remember
there
was
some
behind
the
bar
upstairs
in
Crackers
and
we
were
packing
up
afterwards
and
Kate
comes
up
behind
the
bar.
Sees
this
posters
and
picks
it
up
and
he’s
like…
Oh
that’s
it.
They’ve
gone
too
far!
Now
they’re
asking
for
trouble
now.
And
he
had
a
right
strop
on
and
suddenly…
not
long
after
that…
we
weren’t
welcome
at
Crackers
anymore.
Yeah.
But
they
just
got
handed
out in
carparks…
in pubs…
wherever
people
congregated
really
y’know…
Because
I’d
do
A3’s
and
i’d
do
A5’s
some
small
ones
and
big
ones.
This
is
more
in
the
early
days,
isn’t
it?
When
you
needed
it.
When
you
were
trying
to…
There
was
no
need
for
them
after
a
while.
I
don’t
know
how
many
I did.
I’ve
never
counted…
there
was
probably
only
about
the first
twenty
maybe
y’know
twenty
different
ones.
Cos’ there
was just
no
need
after
y’know…
well
there
was
no
need
from
the
beginning…
y’know…
but
yeah,
it
was
definitely
the
beginning.
I
don’t
know
I had
enough
on me
plate y’know
without
doing
the
posters
every
week
as
well.
Really.
Quite
often
Tony.
Kreft
would
give
me
a
theme…
y’know
like
so…
Dance
with
the
Devil
I
remember.
Then the
other
one
Beside
the
Seaside
because…
that
was
the
idea…
It
was
to
drive
a
curtain
sider
on
to
Southport
Beach
y’know.
And
just
pull
the
side
back
ermm..
it sort
of
happened.
It sort
of
happened.
Beside
the
Seaside
to
be
fair.
So
quite
often.
I’d
just
say
yeah,
Tony…
here’s
these
posters…
then
give
him
an
arm
full
of
two hundred
posters
and
that
was
my
job
done
then.
Yeah?
So
yeah…
so
yeah…
I
know
that
they’re
given
out
in
pubs
and
that
some
of
them.
But
a
lot
of
the
time
I
just
give
them
to Tony
Yeah,
and
i’d
say
here…
you’ve
got
what
you
asked
for
You
deal
with
it
now.
Well,
that’s a
funny
thing
because
sometimes
they’d
appear
plastered
all
over
the
town
centre
as
well.
Oh
we
did
do
a
few
with
that.
Yeah,
we
did
do
yeah…
I
remember
going
out
with
a
bucket
with
wallpaper
post.
In
the
back
of
a
van.
So
I’m
guessing
it
was
Dave P’s
white
Escort
van
and
driving
around
town
pasting
them
up
on
the
walls
yeah.
Slapping
them
up.
I
can
remember
later
on
in
Minstrels
watching
out
over
Darwen
Street
as
the
riot
police
came
down
and
emptied
the
town
out.
Y’know
there’s
a
mounted
police
and
that…
coming
down
Darwen
Street
and
just
sweeping
everyone
along,
y’know
there’s
a
video
of
that
somewhere…
filmed
from
the
upstairs
of
Minstrels
in
the
flat
above
and
the
riot
police
getting
pretty
heavy-handed
with
people,
y’know.
Whacking
people.
Another
Bob
video
was
it?
Musta
been…
It
coulda
been…
Haseem’s
camera
that
one.
Haseem
and
Brian
maybe
were
there.
It
was
after
the
the
parties.
you
know,
when
they
just
wanted
the
town
centre
cleared
out.
down
Mounted
police.
Mad
innit?
They
just
tried
to
shut
off
Blackburn
didn’t
they?
They
just
turned you
around
and
go
back
where
you
came
from.
What
message
which
you…
would
you
say
to
a
teenager
in
one hundred
years
time.
Sometimes
I
tell
my
daughters
you
can
do
whatever…
you
can
do
whatever
you
want.
Whatever
you
want
to
do.
You
can
do
it…
y’know
…
if
you
put
your
mind
to
it…
you
can
do
it…
You
can
make
things
happen
y’know
…
That’s
about
it.
Believe
in
yourself.
You
can
make
it
happen.
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What
message
which
you…
would
you
say
to
a
teenager
in a
hundred
years
time.
Sometimes
I
tell
my
daughters
you
can
do
whatever…
you
can
do
whatever
you
want.
Whatever
you
want
to
do.
You
can
do
it…
y’know
…
if
you
put
your
mind
to
it…
you
can
do
it…
You
can
make
things
happen
y’know
That’s
about
it.
Believe
in
yourself.
You
can
make
it
happen.
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What
message
which
you…
would
you
say
to
a
teenager
in a
hundred
years
time.
Sometimes
I
tell
my
daughters
you
can
do
whatever…
you
can
do
whatever
you
want.
Whatever
you
want
to
do.
You
can
do
it…
y’know
…
if
you
put
your
mind
to
it…
you
can
do
it…
You
can
make
things
happen
y’know
That’s
about
it.
Believe
in
yourself.
You
can
make
it
happen.
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When
it
stopped…erm
I’d
had
enough
of
Blackburn
basically.
A
few
things
had
happened
y’know
Manchester
and
what
have
ya..
it was
just
time
to
get
out
y’know.
I
was…
I
was…
I
moved
into
Minstrels
for
a
bit
and
y’know
kept
that
going
for
y’know…
I
don’t
know
maybe
a
year
or
something
that
was
pretty
successful
on
a
weekend
y’know…
But
then
I
just
had
enough
and
left
Blackburn
and
ended
up
in
Greece
within
a
few
weeks
came
back
from
Greece…
got
a
job
in
the
Midlands
errr
met
aload
of
hippie
geezers
down
in
the
Midlands.
Put
on
quite
a
few
squat
parties
and
boat
parties
because
of
all
the…
because
of
the
record…
we
did
that
record
with
Tommy’s
High
on
Hope
sample…
me
and
Dave
and
a
couple
of
the
other
lads.
We
did
that
High
on
Hope
because
it
was
a…
it
was
just
one
of
them
wannit?
High
on
Hope
y’know.
Yeah…
that
sounds
great.
Yeah
love
that.
So
we used
that.
Made
that
record.
So
sort
of….
wherever
you
went
people…
I
mean,
I
met
people
in
Greece.
Who
were
like…
you
made
that
record?
Y’know
That
was
weird.
Everyone
had
heard
it.
Everyone
y’know.
So
these
guys
in
the
Midlands
one
day
I
mentioned
oh yeah
I
did
that
tune…
they’re
like.
Whoah.
Yeah.
That
was
you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So…
So
I
ended
up
doing
boat
parties…
squat
parties…
all
sorts
wi’
them.
And
yeah…
I
was
work…
Then
I
got
a
job
as
a
courier.
I
was
working
as
a
courier
in
the
Midlands
for
a
while.
Did
me’
back
in at work.
Spent
a
few
weeks
lying
on
me
back again.
I
just
went
back to
live
in
Greece
again.
Spent
a
couple
of
years
living
in
Greece.
Okay.
What
about
the
artwork?
Has
that
stopped?
No,
I
still
do it
but
it’s…
if
someone
comes
and
asks
me
for
something.
You
know,
someone
says…
ohh
can
you
do
a
flyer
for
this?
Yeah,
I
still
do
stuff.
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When
it
stopped…erm
I’d
had
enough
of
Blackburn
basically.
A
few
things
had
happened
y’know
Manchester
and
what
have
ya..
it was
just
time
to
get
out
y’know.
I
was…
I
was…
I
moved
into
Minstrels
for
a
bit
and
y’know
kept
that
going
for
y’know…
I
don’t
know
maybe
a
year
or
something
that
was
pretty
successful
on
a
weekend
y’know…
But
then
I
just
had
enough
and
left
Blackburn
and
ended
up
in
Greece
within
a
few
weeks
came
back
from
Greece…
got
a
job
in
the
Midlands
errr
met
aload
of
hippie
geezers
down
in
the
Midlands.
Put
on
quite
a
few
squat
parties
and
boat
parties
because
of
all
the…
because
of
the
record…
we
did
that
record
with
Tommy’s
High
on
Hope
sample…
me
and
Dave
and
a
couple
of
the
other
lads.
We
did
that
High
on
Hope
because
it
was
a…
it
was
just
one
of
them
wannit?
High
on
Hope
y’know.
Yeah…
that
sounds
great.
Yeah
love
that.
So
we used
that.
Made
that
record.
So
sort
of….
wherever
you
went
people…
I
mean,
I
met
people
in
Greece.
Who
were
like…
you
made
that
record?
Y’know
That
was
weird.
Everyone
had
heard
it.
Everyone
y’know.
So
these
guys
in
the
Midlands
one
day
I
mentioned
oh yeah
I
did
that
tune…
they’re
like.
Whoah.
Yeah.
That
was
you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So…
So
I
ended
up
doing
boat
parties…
squat
parties…
all
sorts
wi’
them.
And
yeah…
I
was
work…
Then
I
got
a
job
as
a
courier.
I
was
working
as
a
courier
in
the
Midlands
for
a
while.
Did
me’
back
in at work.
Spent
a
few
weeks
lying
on
me
back again.
I
just
went
back to
live
in
Greece
again.
Spent
a
couple
of
years
living
in
Greece.
Okay.
What
about
the
artwork?
Has
that
stopped?
No,
I
still
do it
but
it’s…
if
someone
comes
and
asks
me
for
something.
You
know,
someone
says…
ohh
can
you
do
a
flyer
for
this?
Yeah,
I
still
do
stuff.